High Voltage from Thin Air?

[dinu]

I'm not sure which case you described is the right one. Howerver, I can't imagine just the hydrogen beeing produced. Where goes the oxygen ?

Here are some links about plasma arc electrolysis which might sched some light..Well, I'm pretty sure you are already familiar with this technology:

Main experiment by the well known JL Nuadin:
The AquaFuel Generator by JL Naudin

Some plasma arc electrolysis youtube videos
YouTube - High Voltage D.C. spark tests
YouTube - Plasma electrolysis cell test
other (little off-topic) interesting one:
YouTube - Electrolysis using radiant HV output, the importance of diode direction

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Anyway, if somebody can or is willing to post results from Gas Chromatography then we'll know for sure what is in the gas. Until then, we can just speculate based on our knowledge.

Thank you,
Dinu

[dinu]

Just to be clear:

I'm not saying 100% that normal electrolysis phenomen occurs. I'm excited to think that only hydrogen is beeing produced and that is what it keeps me interested in this project. I'm just throwing questions and my thoughts here - maybe we can get the real answer together..

[oldie]

Just to be clear:

I'm not saying 100% that normal electrolysis phenomen occurs. I'm excited to think that only hydrogen is beeing produced and that is what it keeps me interested in this project. I'm just throwing questions and my thoughts here - maybe we can get the real answer together..

Just an unsolicited comment...
Oxigen seems to be going to the diode lower leg, it gets completely rust very soon, one of mines get near completely dissolved in a few hours, and broke down when touched.
Maybe this explains why there seems to be any O2 output.

I tried to burn gas, but no luck, and it was very little to fill a balloon

Any case this is truly interesting whatever it's happening (as I have no way to measure anything) the SEC is able to induce a reaction that is far away of the usual and more if you think on the little power applied.

Energy, O2 excitation, Fe, catalisys... I don't know, for sure Dr. have a better idea.

I think SEC is able to push something around us that we are not able to see, very few imagine, and is very difficult to measure, I'd really would love to have the opportunity to increrase power a little further, I'm sure we will be very surprised.

I have also felt a few times the burn said by cosmic farmer, it happens me on the coil end, when connecting or disconnecting loads, the burn seems to be instataneous, and very strong, but it is not the hot wire, I'm used to get burn sometimes with the solder tip and is not the same.

But my hand and finger is still on place, until today it has not changed colour and it seems that will not fall appart by the moment, any case I think is not someting to ignore, if it hurts, is better to get rid of, it may be or not be healty.

Again thank to all and Dr. Stiffler for sharing.

(I hope to have not said nothing stupid)
Ricardo

[dinu]

Ricardo,

Do you see any blueish liquid color in the lower diode leg ? I'm going far beyong my knowledge right now and speculate H2O2 forming (hydrogen peroxide)
Hydrogen peroxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[wonderful]

Second replication with another L3

In my second replication, I used a larger L3, which has an inductance of 150 uH (circa).
The distribution of energy and consequently the gas production are improved.
The first photo shows the setup.
The second photo shows the data of SA.

Regards

Luco

[oldie]

Ricardo,

Do you see any blueish liquid color in the lower diode leg ? I'm going far beyong my knowledge right now and speculate H2O2 forming (hydrogen peroxide)
Hydrogen peroxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dinu,
In one of my first post I added a photo of the diode after a couple hours
http://www.energeticforum.com/100881-post1819.html

I did not seee anything bluish, just the water geting brown coloured very soon and something like a dark soft jelly on the lower diode leg as you can see on the last photo.

After some more hours water gets very dirty, seemed me of the worst coffe I do sometimes and the diode leg got completely rusted and break in pieces when I take it off the tube.

This seemed me a very violent oxidation, Iron takes some time to rust so much, even more if the water is plain tap water as this was.

Unfortunately chemistry was not my best, and any case I studied it long, long time ago, so I'm stuck on my ignorance, with just some loose concepts.

Althoug I found it really interesting I think this is not the best way to get H2, you need a lot of iron , but I'm sure there are other ways to do, I still have had no time to test other electrodes as carbon rods, Doc commented he found a way to do without electrodes, so there's a lot still to look around this effect.

I hope to have helped

Best wishes
Ricardo

[Farrah Day]

Look guys, I wasn't going to bother poking my nose in here again, but feel I must put you straight on a few things to avoid many of you heading off on a wild goose chase.

Contrary to what you may or may not have been told, and contrary to what you may or may not think, what you are seeing and discussing is actually quite a simple and logical reaction.

The signal from the SEC is causing the water to ionise into H+ and OH-, which is the key to the whole thing - and dare I say, 'the magic' - but thereafter it is everyday electrolysis.

The diode legs act as electrodes with the diode's PN junction being the charge exchange bridge, allowing current to flow in only one direction, so electrolysis occurs due to the ions induced in the water.

At the anode hydrogen is evolved, but at the cathode, the metal diode leg reacts with the OH- to produce a metal oxide, that is why we do not get any oxygen evolved. The precipitate dropping off the cathode is initially tin oxide and later copper hydroxide, both of which contain the oxygen that would otherwise have evolved, and is the reason why the cathode eventually disintegrates completely.

You would get hydrogen and oxygen evolved if the diode legs were made of an inert metal like platinum, stainless steel or carbon.

Ions are present in the water, but there is no current flowing through the water as such. The current is flowing just through the diode, hence my stating previously that in this configuration we have a mini current generator.

Although it may initially all seem very odd and somewhat alien, it is actually simple electrolysis obeying Faraday's Laws of Electrolysis.

Yes, it is a very interesting phenomenon, but there really is no mystery here.

Of course you don't have to take my word for it... indeed you free to completely ignore this post should you choose.

[DrStiffler]

Look guys, I wasn't going to bother poking my nose in here again, but feel I must put you straight on a few things to avoid many of you heading off on a wild goose chase.

Contrary to what you may or may not have been told, and contrary to what you may or may not think, what you are seeing and discussing is actually quite a simple and logical reaction.

The signal from the SEC is causing the water to ionise into H+ and OH-, which is the key to the whole thing - and dare I say, 'the magic' - but thereafter it is everyday electrolysis.

The diode legs act as electrodes with the diode's PN junction being the charge exchange bridge, allowing current to flow in only one direction, so electrolysis occurs due to the ions induced in the water.

At the anode hydrogen is evolved, but at the cathode, the metal diode leg reacts with the OH- to produce a metal oxide, that is why we do not get any oxygen evolved. The precipitate dropping off the cathode is initially tin oxide and later copper hydroxide, both of which contain the oxygen that would otherwise have evolved, and is the reason why the cathode eventually disintegrates completely.

You would get hydrogen and oxygen evolved if the diode legs were made of an inert metal like platinum, stainless steel or carbon.

Ions are present in the water, but there is no current flowing through the water as such. The current is flowing just through the diode, hence my stating previously that in this configuration we have a mini current generator.

Although it may initially all seem very odd and somewhat alien, it is actually simple electrolysis obeying Faraday's Laws of Electrolysis.

Yes, it is a very interesting phenomenon, but there really is no mystery here.

Of course you don't have to take my word for it... indeed you free to completely ignore this post should you choose.

@Farrah Day

Your pathological.....

You on another thread say you will stay away and I have my Head up my AS* but you just got to open your stupid mouth again here, just to get what you think is the last word.

Get Lost would you..............

[oldie]

Look guys, I wasn't going to bother poking my nose in here again, but feel I must put you straight on a few things to avoid many of you heading off on a wild goose chase.

Contrary to what you may or may not have been told, and contrary to what you may or may not think, what you are seeing and discussing is actually quite a simple and logical reaction.

The signal from the SEC is causing the water to ionise into H+ and OH-, which is the key to the whole thing - and dare I say, 'the magic' - but thereafter it is everyday electrolysis.

The diode legs act as electrodes with the diode's PN junction being the charge exchange bridge, allowing current to flow in only one direction, so electrolysis occurs due to the ions induced in the water.

At the anode hydrogen is evolved, but at the cathode, the metal diode leg reacts with the OH- to produce a metal oxide, that is why we do not get any oxygen evolved. The precipitate dropping off the cathode is initially tin oxide and later copper hydroxide, both of which contain the oxygen that would otherwise have evolved, and is the reason why the cathode eventually disintegrates completely.

You would get hydrogen and oxygen evolved if the diode legs were made of an inert metal like platinum, stainless steel or carbon.

Ions are present in the water, but there is no current flowing through the water as such. The current is flowing just through the diode, hence my stating previously that in this configuration we have a mini current generator.

Although it may initially all seem very odd and somewhat alien, it is actually simple electrolysis obeying Faraday's Laws of Electrolysis.

Yes, it is a very interesting phenomenon, but there really is no mystery here.

Of course you don't have to take my word for it... indeed you free to completely ignore this post should you choose.

Farrah,

I don't think I have talk about any mystery, could it be simple electrolysis, maybe, I just passed chemistry which for me was a pain, so I will not say it is or is not simple electrolysis as you said, but as far as I can remember the simple electrolysis I studied, was not performed exactly this way, was not performed with such little power, and was not performed via wireless coupling or whatever you want to call it.

I don't pay too much attention to the "simple electrolysis" as you say, on this demostration, it has an explanation, I'm sure, and sure it's as simple as you told.

What interest me and this clearly shows me, as well as all other experiments and effects shown by Dr. stiffler, and some other people in other threads and in other areas is How much we don't know, that is wath push me to sit on the bench, read, study and search for new hidden knowledge, efectcs, surprises no matter in which area, technology, nature, universe, mind...

I also know a few things, not because I'm a clever boy, I'm not clever and long time passed since I was a boy, just because I have lived a few years, and got forced to learn some things that I will not discuss here, so please ignore what you know and try to know what you ignore, that is far more difficult, impossible for the most part of human beings, and IMHO much more rewarding.

Trying to explain anything with the simple knowledge any of us has just drives us to simple results, so look for what you don't know, if it's not here, sure there's somewhere.

Ricardo
As usual to all, excuse my English, anycase I'm sure farrah, you understand me

[Armagdn03]

I have run mine for a while now, and do not notice degradation of either leg of the diode....

[Farrah Day]

@Farrah Day

Your pathological.....

You on another thread say you will stay away and I have my Head up my AS* but you just got to open your stupid mouth again here, just to get what you think is the last word.

Get Lost would you..............

Don't beat about the bush Doc... if you've got something to say, just say it! lol.

'My stupid mouth'? You sure know how to hurt a girl, Doc. That's not really very nice is it Doc? Especially considering I'm the only one of us talking any real sense here!

Anyone ever tell you that you have a serious attitude problem Doc... what do they call it, a God complex. I just feel sorry for all those that blindly follow you, blissfully unaware that you often don't have even the foggiest idea what you're talking about. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And to think I ever considered you to be a serious scientist. Just shows you how wrong one can be. It's not like you're uneducated or an outright idiot so - unlike many - you don't really have an excuse for acting stupid, or talking crap... do you?

Anyway Doc, I can sense the love between us has flown, so you can stick your SEC where the sun don't shine, I'm through with wasting my time here with you.

[DrStiffler]

Don't beat about the bush Doc... if you've got something to say, just say it! lol.

'My stupid mouth'? You sure know how to hurt a girl, Doc. That's not really very nice is it Doc? Especially considering I'm the only one of us talking any real sense here!

Anyone ever tell you that you have a serious attitude problem Doc... what do they call it, a God complex. I just feel sorry for all those that blindly follow you, blissfully unaware that you often don't have even the foggiest idea what you're talking about. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And to think I ever considered you to be a serious scientist. Just shows you how wrong one can be. It's not like you're uneducated or an outright idiot so, unlike many, you don't really have an excuse for acting stupid, or talking crap... do you?

Anyway Doc, I can sense the love between us has flown, so you can stick your SEC where the sun don't shine, I'm through with wasting my time here with you.

@All
Have you seen this before, a person that just can not stand to not be accepted. Must be at the fore front of it all and lauded with praise for excellence in all.

Some people are so dense, you can't get rid of them can you? WOW! Poor girl, now I'm so sad for all.

What part of "Get Lost" do you fail to understand?? Go where you can get what you want, leave us alone we don't want, oh maybe you will gt a few shills to post otherwise, but we do not want you here.

[oldie]

I have run mine for a while now, and do not notice degradation of either leg of the diode....

Tap water browns sooner than distilled water... (at least that happen to me) but I did not write times down. I can tell you if it takes an hour or ten minutes, sorry, I'm a disaster with some things
or are you using inox diodes?

[DrStiffler]

Tap water browns sooner than distilled water... (at least that happen to me) but I did not write times down. I can tell you if it takes an hour or ten minutes, sorry, I'm a disaster with some things
or are you using inox diodes?

@oldie

Have you seen this video? YouTube - Part#4 Save This Video

We are in the process of removing the glass from a few diodes and placing a camera up close, although this may not work as the field is very dense close up as heard on many of my vids and others that get to close to the Exciters.

[oldie]

@oldie

Have you seen this video? YouTube - Part#4 Save This Video

We are in the process of removing the glass from a few diodes and placing a camera up close, although this may not work as the field is very dense close up as heard on many of my vids and others that get to close to the Exciters.

Hi again Dr.

I observed a couple of the diodes I used break the leg just on the glass end, I throw them away, sorry, I was thinking on looking at the microscope, but there's always something to do and I didn't, any case I believe there's a high oxidation rate, isn't it?

Again thanks for sharing.

My best wishes
Ricardo