High Voltage from Thin Air?

[anonymussle]

@anonymussle

Great observation! Have you also noted the similarity between Henry Fords Model A and Chariots? I think old Henry should only get credit for removing that dang horse?

Ohhh... HA HA HA...

I just wanted to point out that the radio uses a simple air core coil and some rudimentary components to pick up frequencies and pump them through an earphone. And instead of an earth ground you have an extremely long antennae. None of which requires a power supply such as a battery. This also proves that the S-Gate is feasible.

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[seth]

@seth
No, don't think we (I) can help you much, in the 'Joulethief SEC Exciter and Variants' thread, posts #1104-1105-1124 and 1125 may explain why.

OK - thanks anyway. Good luck in your future projects.

[cody]

I played around with the schumann res with MOT secondary that Doc posted recently. Could not get the results he did though. It seemed real easy to set up but apparently there is more to it than meets the eye. I could effect capacitance of the system by touching the core or the LED lead, but i could not see any effect from the ground capacitor plate. My LED was dimmly blinking weather the ground plate was hooked up or not. I suspect maybe my capacitances on both sides are too far out of wack. Got the highest output somewhere around 5MHz.

[DrStiffler]

I played around with the schumann res with MOT secondary that Doc posted recently. Could not get the results he did though. It seemed real easy to set up but apparently there is more to it than meets the eye. I could effect capacitance of the system by touching the core or the LED lead, but i could not see any effect from the ground capacitor plate. My LED was dimmly blinking weather the ground plate was hooked up or not. I suspect maybe my capacitances on both sides are too far out of wack. Got the highest output somewhere around 5MHz.

@cody
I hope you meant 5Hz and not 5MHz? In my setup (the video Shumann01) anything above 69Hz and there is not even a faint glow on the LED(s). I did not spec the generator and that may help you. The generator has a standard 50 ohm output impedance, but of course only the signal lead is used so the actual impedance is much higher, more like 600 ohms. The signal was at 15v peak to peak and a sine wave. The LED in the video is a 3.7V SuperWhite

I am indeed able to get results across the entire Schumman band from about 3.5 to 64 Hz.

I will not direct anyone to work with the grid because of the danger, yet the results are interesting.

[dragon]

Dr Stiffler, thanks for sharing once again. I tried a similar set up and achieved a similar outcome to cody. I need to rearrange a few things and give another go at it.

Are you going to share any more secrets to the previous videos?

Thanks again
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[DrStiffler]

Dr Stiffler, thanks for sharing once again. I tried a similar set up and achieved a similar outcome to cody. I need to rearrange a few things and give another go at it.

Are you going to share any more secrets to the previous videos?

Thanks again

@dragon
Yes, do try again, yet understand that the width of an average Schumman peak is 12-20% and you are talking somewhat precise frequencies.

I am showing more of the last videos, this is part of the progression. So you do not yet see where this is going and how to get there......... Maybe when you get this working a few bulbs will flash.

[dragon]

I spent the last few hours moving, changing, varying capacitance and still nothing with the MOT. Copper, aluminum and steel under the MOT, still nothing. However if I connect a 75ft antenna to it it works fine, I don't need anything but the signal input to the AV and the antenna on the LED side. The LED lights very brightly with only a 1 volt input from my FG on the antenna. Obviously I'm still missing something here...
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[cody]

Dr Stiffler

Yes I did mean 5 megahertz, after not getting much from 7.83Hz I decided to sweep around and see where my highest output was, and that was at 5MHz.

Obviously im doing something wrong but im not sure what. My LED isnt the same type as yours, maybe an issue there. I tried my 50 ohm 10v peak to peak and high z output with 20v peak to peak, sign and square. My function gen is a fairly decent model so im pretty confident i was right on 7.83Hz but i still tried fine tuning in case its off calibration any. I just didnt get any effects from the ground capacitance at all for whatever reason. Adding capacitance to the LED lead increased output slightly. Adding capacitance to the core decreased output slightly. Guess ill try fiddling with it some more.

Thanks for all the cool videos!


dragon,

Did you notice any effect from your ground capacitance plate? Ill try the long lead on the LED, i suspect this will help my setup too.
edit: I just tried the long antenna on the LED and confirm it increased my output too. Also shorting out the MOT primary increased output slightly but i dont think that effect is what we are going after.

[DrStiffler]

Dr Stiffler

Yes I did mean 5 megahertz, after not getting much from 7.83Hz I decided to sweep around and see where my highest output was, and that was at 5MHz.

Obviously im doing something wrong but im not sure what. My LED isnt the same type as yours, maybe an issue there. I tried my 50 ohm 10v peak to peak and high z output with 20v peak to peak, sign and square. My function gen is a fairly decent model so im pretty confident i was right on 7.83Hz but i still tried fine tuning in case its off calibration any. I just didnt get any effects from the ground capacitance at all for whatever reason. Adding capacitance to the LED lead increased output slightly. Adding capacitance to the core decreased output slightly. Guess ill try fiddling with it some more.

Thanks for all the cool videos!


dragon,

Did you notice any effect from your ground capacitance plate? Ill try the long lead on the LED, i suspect this will help my setup too.
edit: I just tried the long antenna on the LED and confirm it increased my output too. Also shorting out the MOT primary increased output slightly but i dont think that effect is what we are going after.

@cody
Well one thing I am not claiming is a good understanding of the Schumann Resonances, this is still a relatively new area for science and I don't think it is fully understood by anyone as of yet. My purpose in the video was to again show the operation of an SGATE and the capability of using a VLF method for energy transmission. Within the Schumann band the transmission of energy is 'much' easier than at the UWB systems.

When one considers that the energy of Schumann modes are below that of the earths magnetic field, one doubts that any additional energy is being obtained from these modes, rather I think that when operating at these VLF points that the energy flows in the cavity much easier than observed at the higher frequencies.

Maybe the next video will add additional info so that a replication by someone is possible, although one should not dig to deep for a meaning in that I am using VLF, as I say it appears to have attributes, but much is yet to be discovered to determine any viability for use in the area of Coherence.

[Armagdn03]

From my feeble understanding....

The space between the capacitive elements is the area of action. An insulator can have many properties, and it looks like the doc is using a piece of "C Flute" Corrugated fiber board. Aka cardboard. If the transformer doesnt completely crush it, it would give a good eight of an inch or so between the aluminum sheet and the transformer core. This distance is a critical factor in its capacitance, and the fiberboard has a dielectric constant close to 1....and we know that capacity, and configuration of the S-gate is a critical parameter.

Also, that is a MOT from a rather large oven. I am willing to bet its secondary has a pretty massive inductance and interwinding capacitance. One might also hook both coils in series to increase these attributes a bit more, and to better capacitively couple to the laminate core.

Just thinking out loud...

[cody]

Thanks for the replies and info guys.

Im thinking that my failure is that i did nothing to achieve any kind of resonance 7.83 or whatever frequency, and that may be my problem. I just started pumping in a frequency into an untuned microwave transformer. Of course i really dont understand the S-gate, but i suspect tuning would be critical. Inductance is easy enough with a meter but trying to figure out capacitance on this system is hurting my brain.

Has anyone tried tapping off the schumann frequencies directly? Possibly using something like a tuned reciever from tesla's single wire power apparatus? Im just not understanding why the excitation is necessary. Excitation or not, this is the first time ive seen anyone claiming to be getting power from the schumann frequency and its very interesting.

[dragon]

Don't feel bad cody, after severl hours of various configurations I also failed to get a reasonable response from it. My MOT is much smaller than Dr. Stiffler shows so I'm sure there is a huge difference in capacitance which would make a big difference in tuning it. The corregated aluminum may play a part in that tuning as well -

But, because of the experiment I tried a few things that I might not normally have tried otherwise and discovered something interesting with an antenna lead instead of a ground. It seems to occur at 28hz and 58hz - the LED's pulse at around 2-4hz in intensity - very noticable. Sort of an amplified feedback.

It leads me to think we are looking for a feedback response in the Sgate, possibly a small degree of mis alignment of frequencies creating a delay of sorts where the energy is built up or slightly amplified then sent back out.
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[Michael John Nunnerley]

Just something I came accross quite some time ago

Hi Dr. Stiffler

I just thought that I would post this as it seems to be of a parallel to your video and is also work I was doing on three plate capacitors in the past along with another member of this forum.

If you do not find it of interest, please delete it and sorry for posting this in your thread. Your sgate with copper tubes is about as close as I have seen of a three plate cap, I have a design and theory of using two of these and is posted somewhere on this forum, but can't remember where, I will have to look or if you want I can PM the original drawing.

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Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Please click the highlighted "capacitive resonant transformer" near the end and it will explain a little more.

Mike

[dragon]

@dragon
Yes, do try again, yet understand that the width of an average Schumman peak is 12-20% and you are talking somewhat precise frequencies.

I am showing more of the last videos, this is part of the progression. So you do not yet see where this is going and how to get there......... Maybe when you get this working a few bulbs will flash.

I believe I understand what your doing - how to get there is my challenge. After many hours of experiments I still haven't been successful. I'm not sure my inductance meter is correct as I'm having a heck of a time finding the right harmonic ... I certainly wouldn't object to a couple more "hints"
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