High Voltage from Thin Air?

[gmeast]

@gmeast

I am sorry if I broke your heart..

God bless us!

Hi samedsoft,

Huh?

[Lidmotor]

SEC---LED charger light

@Gmeat--- I understand the frustration with trying to figure out how much or how little is needed to get started with this. Mutten's basic setup is how I got started and then I moved on from there. This is a facinating circuit (to me) and I have learned much from building it. Dr. Stiffler was nice enough to share it here and I will always be grateful for that. For me it was not about proving or disproving anything. It was just a neat way to learn something new. At my level all I can do is "light up some bulbs" and have some fun but that is enough. I have shared what I discovered and maybe someone with more knowledge and equipment can somehow benifit. If a young person sees one of my videos and asks his Dad for a soldering gun for Christmas---that would be the best reward of all.
Here is a video of my latest rendition of the circuit. It is a one wire charger with solar cells. It uses 9 volt rechargables and store bought inductors.


YouTube - SEC ---LED charger light


Lidmotor

[amigo]

Amigo
I guess we're practically neighbours. I spend hours in the A1 Electronic surplus store there at the Queensway. Yes they have a great selection of chokes but they are mostly unmarked and an LC meter is a must.
I'm sure you are aware of this store "SAYAL Electronics" at Matheson and Dixie road Mississauga- They have an excellent selection of everything you can think of especially transistors at very good prices --MPSA06 's at $1.00 Can. for a pack of six.

Hey that's cool. I know each time I go to A1, I reserve a good 3-4 hour block of time to just go through the isles and scavenge. And bargaining with Glen is fun too, I love his "let me weigh the transformer in my hand and tell you the price for it"

Actually picked up some transformers last time I was there couple of weeks ago. They had one really nice Variac, too, pristine look and all, but turned out to be busted when they opened it. Was kinda disappointed, as I was looking for one...

Been to that Sayal many times, it's just around the corner from my best friends' place. But I also go to the Victoria Park location as well, as that's closer to where I live.

Other interesting places for parts are of course Active Surplus ("...random sh*t and stuff, you never know what you gonna get" LOL ) and the former Supremetronic/Honson Computer, now at Home Hardware on College, west of Spadina.

[amigo]

@samedsoft,

I am not really sure if more gates means more capture, I guess I should try as I have two gates built.

And no need to apologize, no one's guilty here of anything.

@Tecstatic

SGate and SPICE...well I am a almost a noob with SPICE, I know how to run a simulation, does that count?

Regarding SGate operation, are we looking at it being a possible waveguide, or some kind of a "coil" replacement kind of deal?

If I may bring Tesla into this as I've read a lot of works, and so it is said that he would adjust his coils so that the wave nodes would sit at certain points.

So are we looking at a 1/4 or 1/2 or full wave with the SGate, and is the geometry affecting the performance? Do we have points of high and low impedance causing the potential gradient (hmm that sounds so Bearden like)? Is the ground connection creating a node on the SGate? Are these Longitudinal oscillations (for a Scalar/Standing wave, wouldn't the wave have to reflect first or have two opposing waves)? Am I blabbering non-sense here?

[gmeast]

Thanks for your comment and video

@Gmeat--- I understand the frustration with trying to figure out how much or how little is needed to get started with this. Mutten's basic setup is how I got started and then I moved on from there. This is a facinating circuit (to me) and I have learned much from building it. Dr. Stiffler was nice enough to share it here and I will always be grateful for that. For me it was not about proving or disproving anything. It was just a neat way to learn something new. At my level all I can do is "light up some bulbs" and have some fun but that is enough. I have shared what I discovered and maybe someone with more knowledge and equipment can somehow benifit. If a young person sees one of my videos and asks his Dad for a soldering gun for Christmas---that would be the best reward of all.
Here is a video of my latest rendition of the circuit. It is a one wire charger with solar cells. It uses 9 volt rechargables and store bought inductors.


YouTube - SEC ---LED charger light


Lidmotor

Hi Lidmotor,

I think you intended this for me ... if not, then pls ignore. I'm gathering my parts, minimal equipment and building some of this stuff. The only frustration lied in asking a simple question about what minimum facilities was required (recommended) and instead of an answer I got a lecture plus told not to "ask any basic questions" as well as told "don't bother this thread anymore" by someone who had no business saying anything.

Thanks for you post and video.

[amigo]

Hi Lidmotor,

I think you intended this for me ... if not, then pls ignore. I'm gathering my parts, minimal equipment and building some of this stuff. The only frustration lied in asking a simple question about what minimum facilities was required (recommended) and instead of an answer I got a lecture plus told not to "ask any basic questions" as well as told "don't bother this thread anymore" by someone who had no business saying anything.

Thanks for you post and video.

gmeast,

I think it's time we put this issue to the rest. Samedsoft apologized for it and you should forgive him and move on. You continuing to play a victim is not going to raise any more sympathy...

This thread is about SEC not melodrama, so let's keep it at that.

[Hoppy]

@Gmeat--- I understand the frustration with trying to figure out how much or how little is needed to get started with this. Mutten's basic setup is how I got started and then I moved on from there. This is a facinating circuit (to me) and I have learned much from building it. Dr. Stiffler was nice enough to share it here and I will always be grateful for that. For me it was not about proving or disproving anything. It was just a neat way to learn something new. At my level all I can do is "light up some bulbs" and have some fun but that is enough. I have shared what I discovered and maybe someone with more knowledge and equipment can somehow benifit. If a young person sees one of my videos and asks his Dad for a soldering gun for Christmas---that would be the best reward of all.
Here is a video of my latest rendition of the circuit. It is a one wire charger with solar cells. It uses 9 volt rechargables and store bought inductors.


YouTube - SEC ---LED charger light


Lidmotor

Hi Lidmotor & all

Great video. Some of the setups posted on this thread are impressive

I too have been working on a an RF charger and use a basic SEC oscillator with collector running into an AV plug loaded with a neon. I take the battery charge from the AV plug forward diode (cathode) into a 2.8A/hr SLA battery, with a return from the battery to the pos supply rail as in a standard Bedini SSG. My transistor is a Darlington Pair made up from 2x 2SC3943 transistors. These are 8W,110V isolated package devices (ISO) and quite difficult to damage during experimentation. The 2SC3953 is probably easier to get hold of and this device is slightly uprated to 120V / 400MHz. This transistor type is probably not what the Doc would prescribe but they do work for my application. I got fed up with 'popping' the small MPS06 and 2N2222 transistors, so went over to this more robust device. The Beta of this device is low, so this is why a Darlington arrangement is needed which ups the current gain to over 1000.

I'm running the SEC at around 18V, 220mA. Charging current measured with an analogue AVO meter in series with the battery is 18mA. The charge rate is surprisingly good for this power level. I first tune the SEC without a battery connected for maximum brightness on the neon and then connect the battery. As with the Bedini SSG, most of the power is being consumed by the circuit and not transferring to the charge battery, so the Darlington Pair does get quite warm, I have therefore fitted a small heatsink.

My thanks go to Dr. Stiffler for starting and maintaining such an enjoyable and thought provoking thread

Hoppy

[gmeast]

Drop it!

gmeast,

I think it's time we put this issue to the rest. Samedsoft apologized for it and you should forgive him and move on.

This thread is about SEC not melodrama, so let's keep it at that.

Hi Amigo,

I have already put it behind me . I have no idea what 'Samedsoft' posted, I can't find the comment thus initiating my response of "Huh?" God damn! I have already moved on and am building circuits. You are the melodrama queens that keep bringing it up again ....CRAP!

"You continuing to play a victim is not going to raise any more sympathy..." You judgemental ****.

I'm done here. Piss on you all!

[Tecstatic]

Please please,

If we don't behave kindly in this thread and stick to the subject, the chance of Doc posting and helping here again is close to zero. That would be a disaster.

IEEE - IEEE Code of Ethics

Eric

[Mark]

When communicating thru forums like these people can sometimes misinterpet someones intent because voice inflection is not heard. And sometimes people can just be having a bad day. Its ok to get upset over small things sometimes it shows the passion that we all share trying to learn these technologies. I'm sure everything will be fine after a good nights sleep.

[amigo]

Hi Amigo,
I have already put it behind me . I have no idea what 'Samedsoft' posted, I can't find the comment thus initiating my response of "Huh?" God damn! I have already moved on and am building circuits. You are the melodrama queens that keep bringing it up again ....CRAP!

"You continuing to play a victim is not going to raise any more sympathy..." You judgemental ****.

I'm done here. Piss on you all!

That was really uncalled for, but since you opened your mouth I'll just put my foot right into it.

@gmeast

Please Kindly Leave This Thread Alone.

You Do Not Have Right To Take People's Time.

Just Watch And Stop Asking Basic Questions..

Please Do Not Respond To This Message.

Mod.

I will respond I asked a simple question and got crap from Dr Sniffler for it. I did nothing wrong. I now have no interest in any of this now. Blow it dude.

You appear to have a short term memory problem...beside the attitude one.

[MGC]

Parts have arrived

OK, parts have finally arrived , new transistors, the little 9v batteries, 4148's and parts for the front end filter.

The transistors are On Semi MSPA06's and measured an average gain of 250.

Does anyone else have #'s to compare for On Semi or other brands ?


PS. 1/4 " copper tape is also available for a couple dollars from guitar supply shops, I ordered through stewmac.com



Thank you,
Mike

[Lidmotor]

The Charger Circuit

@Hoppy
Thanks for the good update on where you are with this. A Darlington pair using a more robust transistor sounds like a really good idea for either stronger charging or brighter lights. I also have burned up a bunch of the little guys and they make a terrible smell when they die.
I am refining my small 9 volt battery charge/light setup and today wired up an automatic on/off circuit using a photocell and a 2n2222 transistor. It will now turn on at dusk and off in the morning just like a solar garden light. Two DPDT switches are going in tomorrow so that I can cycle the source and charge batteries back and forth. I dropped the second charge battery. I didn't feel that it was necessary in my little setup.



Lidmotor

[Parav]

Newbies and LC Meters

All

This is just to let all the hestitant, silent and/or newbie experimenters (like me), know, that there are LC meters,DMM's and scopes at fairly reasonable prices at this site( 2009 Catalog ) If you can't get it thru the above then just go to Parts-Express.com - Speakers, Speaker Building, Home Audio and Video, Pro Audio, Electronic Parts & Accessories PARTS EXPRESS, Speakers, Speaker Parts, Guitar speakers, Bass speakers, Woofers, Drivers, speaker upgrades and replacement speakers. Emine and write in their search thingy for "test equipment". or " Inductance meter" ($45.00 )

Also for the real die hard (who really can't afford an LC meter), I , myself, was able to go,( in my desperation earlier), to our local TV/computer repair guy and he let me use his LC meter to check out a pile of coils that I wound.

I did order the $45.00 LC meter and should have it in a week.(from PartsExpress)

Just thought that some one out there could use some of this info. and hope it can help with their projects.

I really appreciate all the input the main contributers have offered to this forum thus far and look forward to any new reading and or watching every new video or attachment that may come our way.

Let's keep up the good work guys. Let's stay together.

Paul

[Tecstatic]

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Hi Lidmotor & all

Great video. Some of the setups posted on this thread are impressive

I too have been working on a an RF charger and use a basic SEC oscillator with collector running into an AV plug loaded with a neon. I take the battery charge from the AV plug forward diode (cathode) into a 2.8A/hr SLA battery, with a return from the battery to the pos supply rail as in a standard Bedini SSG. My transistor is a Darlington Pair made up from 2x 2SC3943 transistors. These are 8W,110V isolated package devices (ISO) and quite difficult to damage during experimentation. The 2SC3953 is probably easier to get hold of and this device is slightly uprated to 120V / 400MHz. This transistor type is probably not what the Doc would prescribe but they do work for my application. I got fed up with 'popping' the small MPS06 and 2N2222 transistors, so went over to this more robust device. The Beta of this device is low, so this is why a Darlington arrangement is needed which ups the current gain to over 1000.

I'm running the SEC at around 18V, 220mA. Charging current measured with an analogue AVO meter in series with the battery is 18mA. The charge rate is surprisingly good for this power level. I first tune the SEC without a battery connected for maximum brightness on the neon and then connect the battery. As with the Bedini SSG, most of the power is being consumed by the circuit and not transferring to the charge battery, so the Darlington Pair does get quite warm, I have therefore fitted a small heatsink.

My thanks go to Dr. Stiffler for starting and maintaining such an enjoyable and thought provoking thread

Hoppy

Hoppy.

It seems to me from your description, that your post maybe belongs in Bedini thread for chargers. I can not see from your description that you use a SEC circuit, a one wire SEC with close to zero current consumption.

I take the battery charge from the AV plug forward diode (cathode) into a 2.8A/hr SLA battery, with a return from the battery to the pos supply rail as in a standard Bedini SSG

Have you studied what the principles for an operating SEC are ?

If you consider me to be wrong in my assumption, please show your diagram and explain the resemblance to the original SEC circuit.

Eric