High Voltage from Thin Air?

[DrStiffler]

Doc, I'm sorry for my late answer to your generous offer. I had several deadlines yesterday.

As usual you create so many questions for me, reading your posts or watching your videos.

Allow me to share my thoughts, they may reflect nonsense, but I try to get the point of your technology.

The big picture is "The sea of energy we live in" as Moray spoke about.

Whatever physics is responsible, the energy penetrating space must have some sort of power spectrum. I don't know if anyone has measured that.

Your nice device is UWB, but I guess it is still of discrete nature, ie. not continuous spectrum. So the big puzzle besides creating a running circuit is to get the best match between the energy power spectrum and the discrete frequencies of your circuit. I guess this step is where the big frustrations arise, because if you don't know the power spectrum, then you have to go through a lot of experiments to get a coarse picture of the power spectrum, so a device can be designed to get the maximum gain.

In practice that means, that you face a frustrating process that can eat all the time you have. Perhaps if it is possible to design a circuit measuring the power spectrum within a reasonable time, then you could arrive to design process yielding a predictable result. I guess that is also why you suggest computerized equipment to automate the measuring process and save time.

Am I totally wrong in this ?

The practical part about your disc.

Until proven wrong I consider the disk as a voltage amplifier with a current node around the center hole and a voltage node near the outer periphery. The purpose of the hole is then to create radial standing waves (summed result of waves), and the the geometry itself offer amplification of the SGate signal. Then you probably experimented with outer diameter and the hole size to find the optimum gain.

If my assumption is right on the operation, and this geometry is your own idea, then you once more proved yourself a true genius.

If it is not your own idea, then the application of this geometry is still a great finding.

In my experience the more "simple" ideas is often not the first to come, I have often had the thought, why I did not think of that myself.

Doc, please let me know what you think about my thoughts, even if it is that I'm totally wrong, I don't have your experience and insights.

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I have been looking a bit on analyzers, and unless I could be as lucky as amigo, I think I have to spend somewhere around 1800-2500$ to get a decent used analyzer. My supporting wife says it is OK with her, but as this is quite a sum these days, I need to study more.

I once worked on a project where some of my colleagues designed a SA bottom up, they were very skilled persons.

The quality of the digital FFT part is quite easily judged, I think the most effort is to study the analog mixer part, and the interface to computer and man. I have seen several Anritsu MS2601B for sale at reasonable prices, one was sold on ebay for 1800$.

The data sheet can be found here
Anritsu MS2601B technical specifications

I have yet to study the data sheet myself.

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And Doc, I must say I'm very honored of your generous offer.
So If I end up right on money and the right SA I will be very thankful. I will know in the near future.

Eric

@Tecstatic
A lot to answer, but let me try.

**The big picture is "The sea of energy we live in" as Moray spoke about.
Well we must believe that the foundation of everything we see and do not see is energy in one sense. I have been told that even at absolute zero that we do not stop and energy does not cease to exist, it just takes on a different form.

**Until proven wrong I consider the disk as a voltage amplifier with a current node around the center hole

Correct, but let me take this a bit further. I show this stuff (all the different ways of getting to the end of the road) mainly to cause people to think and realize that there is more than one way to (skin a cat and I love them all) so to speak. Also to show that the books contain only one answer, the answer that the (whoever) want you t believe and live by. Once you get a feel for the underlying nature of this beast, your mind runs away with itself trying and conceiving all sorts of ways to invoke the reaction.

**power spectrum and UWB
Yes, I might myself explain it a bit different and may bring in some strange things to the mix, but you are IMO pretty damn close, at least from how I view and work with it.

**In practice that means, that you face a frustrating process
Yes indeed an here is what I have so much trouble trying to get the man on the street (no disrespect to anyone, just trying establish an area), "Tuning", you can tune an exciter and get the Neon to light but never get an FL to light. You can tune to where the neon and FL's light but they always have to touch. You can tune to where the FL's (develop a polarization?) where if they go out or you make them go out you must reverse them end for end to relight (AC you say). Then you have the prime spot where you can charge an FL and get it up to good distance away staying at the same brightness (not Near field, see equations in measurement paper).

So not only is it difficult to start from the bottom and find the right spot, but becomes hard to determine why all the different displays with what appears on the surface to be the same spectrum and energy content.

**application of this geometry
This has been known for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, but ignored and put down as crap by our wondrous leaders, at least that is what they tell us. I have done nothing but apply something to my circuits, I take not credit for that at all.

** "simple" ideas is often not the first to come
Well that darn Exciter one would think could not be simpler, just wait for V4. Yes right again, a lot of ways to cross a river indeed.

I have used for most of my life the top of the line gear because I was not buying it, I like Tek although HP (Agilent) is very good. Some of the other top gear was not made when I was doing the work so I have no real idea.

If I were not a programmer I would see doing the interfaces a big task. If you went all HPIB or something like that at least the connection method would be standard. I have gear which is RS232, USB and BCD, oh one ethernet. What a mess to get into one program and plot a curve. Instead of research you code. So look for the future and determine if whatever gear you get will integrate with all the rest and funnel into one display and data capture system. I hear LabView has come a long way, have not used it for many years now.

[amigo]

@amigo @All

Well there are 3 maybe 4 reasons why other than US is a problem.
1. Shipping (unless I charge more for board) is greater than cost of the board, unless it goes by ship around the horn.
2. Requires customs form & now different form (4)
3. Can no longer be shipped with customs short form, can in some countries cause great delivery delay or customs fees or seizure.
4. Pending local restrictions...

No on the circuit, all V4's use some parts special made in the the country that owns the US. Makes no sense to try without the parts. But there is still a ton of things to build that will serve well and this is coming. Going to still focus on the finish of the simple papers.

Well bummer then if you won't even ship to Canada...

You say you have custom parts made for V4, which ones? And Made in China? So, what's the problem getting those parts from China?

[amigo]

Amigo, I guess you are right that it is old discoveries reapplied AND refined.

If they have the same videos I saw two years ago, one of the videos has an interview telling the story of the present suppressing medical regime.

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Try taking a look on Konstantin Meyl's findings (search the net), he was invited to the conference by the experienced arrangers of the conference to explain some of the physics behind the body functions.

As I see it its all about frequencies. Meyl says that the nerve system actually consists of many individually tuned longitudinal waveguides, and the brain communicates with the body by emitting frequencies for the nerves to specific organs. A US MD even postulated the current cell model is wrong, and made to "explain" and support the sale of drugs.

By doing an extensive monitoring on these frequencies, some have made a "map" of normal function and deceases. By measuring these frequencies and comparing to the "map" you can do a diagnose, as well as stimulate the body with frequencies to cure a problem. Even extremely low intensities do the work.

You know, I thought Meyl was an EE - did not read anything from him regarding healing or general medical topics. I will definitely have to look that up then.

Regarding frequencies, I can't say I knew it as I really don't know anything for sure, but have suspected it for a long time now. More and more I read things older than 40 years, it seems some people have been onto something so important that was worth suppressing by the pharmaceutical inquisition.

Yet once again it irks me that all these findings are proprietary and that someone is charging money for knowledge and devices that should be public...

[Tecstatic]

@Tecstatic
A lot to answer, but let me try.

**The big picture is "The sea of energy we live in" as Moray spoke about.
Well we must believe that the foundation of everything we see and do not see is energy in one sense. I have been told that even at absolute zero that we do not stop and energy does not cease to exist, it just takes on a different form.

**Until proven wrong I consider the disk as a voltage amplifier with a current node around the center hole

Correct, but let me take this a bit further. I show this stuff (all the different ways of getting to the end of the road) mainly to cause people to think and realize that there is more than one way to (skin a cat and I love them all) so to speak. Also to show that the books contain only one answer, the answer that the (whoever) want you t believe and live by. Once you get a feel for the underlying nature of this beast, your mind runs away with itself trying and conceiving all sorts of ways to invoke the reaction.

**power spectrum and UWB
Yes, I might myself explain it a bit different and may bring in some strange things to the mix, but you are IMO pretty damn close, at least from how I view and work with it.

**In practice that means, that you face a frustrating process
Yes indeed an here is what I have so much trouble trying to get the man on the street (no disrespect to anyone, just trying establish an area), "Tuning", you can tune an exciter and get the Neon to light but never get an FL to light. You can tune to where the neon and FL's light but they always have to touch. You can tune to where the FL's (develop a polarization?) where if they go out or you make them go out you must reverse them end for end to relight (AC you say). Then you have the prime spot where you can charge an FL and get it up to good distance away staying at the same brightness (not Near field, see equations in measurement paper).

So not only is it difficult to start from the bottom and find the right spot, but becomes hard to determine why all the different displays with what appears on the surface to be the same spectrum and energy content.

**application of this geometry
This has been known for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, but ignored and put down as crap by our wondrous leaders, at least that is what they tell us. I have done nothing but apply something to my circuits, I take not credit for that at all.

** "simple" ideas is often not the first to come
Well that darn Exciter one would think could not be simpler, just wait for V4. Yes right again, a lot of ways to cross a river indeed.

I have used for most of my life the top of the line gear because I was not buying it, I like Tek although HP (Agilent) is very good. Some of the other top gear was not made when I was doing the work so I have no real idea.

If I were not a programmer I would see doing the interfaces a big task. If you went all HPIB or something like that at least the connection method would be standard. I have gear which is RS232, USB and BCD, oh one ethernet. What a mess to get into one program and plot a curve. Instead of research you code. So look for the future and determine if whatever gear you get will integrate with all the rest and funnel into one display and data capture system. I hear LabView has come a long way, have not used it for many years now.

Doc, thank you very much for this excellent explanation

**Yes, I might myself explain it a bit different and may bring in some strange things to the mix

This statement and the statements about different effects make me think of Hectors saying, that 9 different forms of electricity exists, but only two is publicly known.

I think you and Hector could benefit from exchanging some knowledge -- and share with us

Hector also mentions a genius who put up mathematics for this area without ever building anything, but his equations are correct according to Hector, at least the ones he understood, as this is more advanced than usual, even for Hector. If i remember right he has "skinned the cat" about 40 different ways, many with off the shelf components.

**This has been known for hundreds, maybe thousands of years
Do you have a reference ?

** "simple" ideas is often not the first to come
Many years ago my teacher in mechanical drawing said:
Everyone can with a bit of exercise design mechanics, but only the few can design simple parts which meets the specs and are easy, simple and cheap to produce. Do not settle with a single solution to a problem (some say challenge), rethink.

I have never forgotten this man, he was a former fighter pilot and he was able to draw amazingly realistic 3D section "xray" drawings of airplanes right off head and hand. It was almost unbelievable to watch. He actually sold such drawings to military flight magazines.

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The interface issue is a real one, also for a programmer. But you can buy transparent "bus" converters from multiple sources, this could solve some of your current situation with too many different interfaces by converting differing instrument interfaces to one single "bus".

And yes I also love Tek and HP, maybe except from the price tag

@amigo

Meyl is an EE and more titles and he is a multi talented man, you can get more than 20 hours of video. On one of the videos he show one single unifying equation, stating in another world he would have got the Nobel prize for that. "But this is not going to happen".

By the way he only has explanations, he do not practice medicine himself, If he did, he would probably become an easy target.

He and another guy also predicted the earthquakes in Turkey just after a solar eclipse, The reason according to Meyl is a "surface wave" on the earth center core caused by a gradient in neutrino flow caused by the location of the moon "shadow" relative to earth core during the eclipse. Watching his videos is no waste of time.

Did you note the scaring thing about the frequency technology ?
Besides it can heal, sicken or even kill, it can manipulate your mind without you even noticing. Read some Bearden stuff for more.

As for any other medicine and the related risks, great care must be taken before a device can be released for use.

Before an open source community digs into the technology and spend a lot of time and some money it will not be "free". Even for yourself you must be sure not to damage your health with self experiments. Personally I would not take the risk.

Eric

[amigo]

@Tecstatic

I've found some 12 hour marathon lecture from Meyl but its in German, sigh. I just don't have the time to learn another language, with all other things going on.

As far as risks are concerned, you are using that CemTech, effectively microwaving your body, aren't you?

[Tecstatic]

@Tecstatic

I've found some 12 hour marathon lecture from Meyl but its in German, sigh. I just don't have the time to learn another language, with all other things going on.

As far as risks are concerned, you are using that CemTech, effectively microwaving your body, aren't you?

He also have several lectures in english.

Correct, I have been to a total of 6 hours regarding the use, and I have a document describing what to do when curing a specific decease. On the net additional info is available from a Russian having a clinic in Stockholm (Sweden) from the Russians and also from an Italian university (promishing use for cancer treatment).

As an example my sister in law had a big toe where the nail was growing down into the flesh so it was infected. I offered to treat it, "No", OK then it does not hurt enough - yet.

Next time she visited with one shoe on. The toe was now big and red and hurting so she could not sleep.

I taped one pad to the toe and recorded the frequencies of the bacteria infection (60s) then replay for 30 minutes, repeating the cycle for 4 hours until she left.

She felt less pain after half an hour, after 4 hours the pain was gone, and the toe was smaller. She waited one week with the pain returning, first then she got a clip installed to lift the nail up from the wound, Two treatments more, problem gone without use of antibiotics. If the clip had been installed the first time, I guess one treatment was enough.

If you don't know better, this look simply crazy. After this she was not so skeptic as before.

Eric

[Tecstatic]

One more attempt to see the big picture...

I have been thinking a lot of this the last few days (to the least).

Let me confess that I have no idea of the "power spectrum" of the "ether flow", or which physical processes they are the result of.

But looking to a sibling, the visible light spectrum, this has very narrow banded peak frequencies in a spectrum, if you have not seen such a thing, it is in the Stan Meyer explained thread.

In general astronomy these lines are used to identify which materials are present in a star.

So here is another attempt to an explanation why Doc has not made a high Q circuit.

As I see it both Doc and Hector claims that "Energy Lattice", "radient energy", or whatever description used, is RF.
And that corresponds to what I have seen myself.

In the high Q circuits, especially Q approx. infinite, the spectra consist of harmonics each sharply on a fixed frequency.

Looking very naively on Doc's circuit you can regard it as a radio receiver, not receiving one station only, but a multitude of
stations.

Now if you draw the "power spectra" on a piece of paper, and the high Q receiving frequencies on a transparent paper, then the probability of the receiver tuned in to a line in the "power spectra" is low, only a few frequencies will be received. so the CEC will be low.

But making a radio receiver with a low Q, the selectivity is bad, meaning it might not receive just one station, but also
the stations close by in frequency.

Now back to Doc's circuit. When he design with a relatively low Q, the spectra is not consisting of a number of single
sharp frequencies, but rather a number of selectivity curves with a bandwidth dependent on the Q value.

Now we have a much larger probability to receive the frequencies from space, and thus we have a change to get a high CEC.
Again the tuning is about obtaining the best match between the two spectra's, with preference on the most energetic
frequencies.

If I'm right on this, there are implications for a lot of other inventions, eg. Bedini motors. The wire length on the coil
being one of the parameters defining the receiving harmonic spectrum. This also fits a direction I found somewhere: "take
100ft of wire and wind the coil", note it was not "wind the coil 500 turns".

If I'm right, I would be very surprised if Bedini does not design with this.

What is called the radient spike when turning off a coil, is then simply the half resonant circuit established when turning
off the coil. The resonance condition receives some energy seen as the spike, but as it is a "single" event the resonance
dies out, no more energy is received, and the peak is gone until the next trigger.

In a Bedini circuit the repetition frequency is low, while in Doc's circuits it is in the MHz range so the reception is "continuous", this is a matter of repetition frequency vs. decay time.

As I see it, this is why Doc's inventions are so important.

Although I have been reading some material, 24/7 is a hard limit, so please excuse me, if I'm just babbling or repeating
elementary stuff. Just trying to get an understanding.

Eric

[amigo]

@Tecstatic et al;

Here is some of my babbling on the subject...

While I might agree in principle, I would like to say that we should not look at the Visible spectrum outside THE Spectrum, including what you call "Power spectrum" (I am not sure which region that exactly is you are refering to?)

Having said that when you power up the SEC you see a fundamental (first harmonic) and lots of other harmonics up to 500MHz or so - at least that's what my SA shows.

Fundamental might be on let's say 9MHz at the time and the harmonics follow in their ratios. The amplitude of the fundemental might be higher than the second harmonic, then the third harmonic might be higher than the fundamental, etc.

You proceed to tune the circuit and the first harmonic starts to move (let's say upwards) and the others follow. As you are doing this the amplitudes are changing. When you find a "sweet spot" for the SEC and look at the distribution of harmonic amplitudes they could be (and usually are) quite different than what you started with.

But the underlining principle remains, we have a fundamental and lots of harmonics, adding additional energy to the system. Questions that come up then are: is the primary harmonic responsible for most of the energy drawn in, or is it one of the other harmonics (and which one), or both; what is their relationship (in the big picture, we already know they are harmonically related); is there a single frequency that we need to tune in or more; why is there more than one "sweet spot" when tuning; are the two sweet spots (or more) related in some way, such as a relationship of transverse vs. longitudinal waves, for example.

Also, from my understanding we are not looking at what I would term "free oscillations", where we have every single frequency in some band popping up. Instead we have a controlled oscillator with a fundamental frequency allowed to produce harmonics across a wide band.

Now, there was at one stage of experiments a point where we had these "free oscillations", and the circuit was so tuned that it would blank out the entire band. It was a very distinct case and Doc was specific about it in the video, showing what the spectrum looked like - considerably different than normal SEC fundametal+harmonics look.

A big question is then, is it better to have a specifically tuned oscillator with ultra wide band harmonics, or this blanked out band where all frequencies are present. I suppose answer to that would come based on answers on the other (above) questions.

As a side note, what impressed me with that "free oscillating" circuit at the time was that it reminded me of Lakhovsky's MWO bandwidth tests. Thus my continued (Doc had since moved on) interest in that specific SEC circuit and how it could be applied to what Lakhovsky was doing.

[amigo]

By the way, here's a fairly cheap Spectrum Analyzer on eBay.

This is NOT a purchashing advice, just a friendly pointer to a cheap SA.

BLONDER TONGUE BTSA 8558C SPECTRUM ANALYZER 0.1-1020MHZ - eBay (item 220418073590 end time Jun-18-09 12:42:14 PDT)

I do not know much about this one (or any for that matter) but it's cheap. Granted there's no way of knowing if it's still fully operational, calibrated, etc.

Here's more details about it: BLONDER TONGUE BTSA-8558C is a lightweight, battery operated, spectrum analyzer

[Tecstatic]

@Tecstatic et al;

Here is some of my babbling on the subject...

While I might agree in principle, I would like to say that we should not look at the Visible spectrum outside THE Spectrum, including what you call "Power spectrum" (I am not sure which region that exactly is you are refering to?)

I'm not, it was thought to be a sort of explanation that I assume the space frequencies very narrow, like in the light spectra.
I do consider the "power spectrum" the total incoming frequencies. I also consider a single device getting all frequencies hard to make.

Having said that when you power up the SEC you see a fundamental (first harmonic) and lots of other harmonics up to 500MHz or so - at least that's what my SA shows.

Not claiming to be a shark in mathematics, I vaguely remember the term "convolution" from school.

If I remember it right, what you see is the Laplace transform of the time signal from space multiplied with the time signal of the SEC. Have that in mind reading the next quote.

That is also a source of confusion when tuning. It would be very nice to have the "power spectra", but, sigh, it may even not be constant in time.

Fundamental might be on let's say 9MHz at the time and the harmonics follow in their ratios. The amplitude of the fundemental might be higher than the second harmonic, then the third harmonic might be higher than the fundamental, etc.

You proceed to tune the circuit and the first harmonic starts to move (let's say upwards) and the others follow. As you are doing this the amplitudes are changing. When you find a "sweet spot" for the SEC and look at the distribution of harmonic amplitudes they could be (and usually are) quite different than what you started with.

But the underlining principle remains, we have a fundamental and lots of harmonics, adding additional energy to the system. Questions that come up then are: is the primary harmonic responsible for most of the energy drawn in, or is it one of the other harmonics (and which one), or both; what is their relationship (in the big picture, we already know they are harmonically related); is there a single frequency that we need to tune in or more; why is there more than one "sweet spot" when tuning; are the two sweet spots (or more) related in some way, such as a relationship of transverse vs. longitudinal waves, for example.

I think Doc has already answered your question, I see is as a sum-up of energies from multiple frequencies, think about my explanation of the two spectra's on paper, one being overlaid and transparent. Only at frequencies where you have the resonance condition, energy is added.

Also, from my understanding we are not looking at what I would term "free oscillations", where we have every single frequency in some band popping up. Instead we have a controlled oscillator with a fundamental frequency allowed to produce harmonics across a wide band.

I agree

Now, there was at one stage of experiments a point where we had these "free oscillations", and the circuit was so tuned that it would blank out the entire band. It was a very distinct case and Doc was specific about it in the video, showing what the spectrum looked like - considerably different than normal SEC fundametal+harmonics look.

A big question is then, is it better to have a specifically tuned oscillator with ultra wide band harmonics, or this blanked out band where all frequencies are present. I suppose answer to that would come based on answers on the other (above) questions.

Please correct me Doc, but in my understanding you did a low Q experiment drawing in almost all energy in the radio band, but you probably also had a low CEC to do that.
Me being right right or wrong, I will learn from your opinion.

As a side note, what impressed me with that "free oscillating" circuit at the time was that it reminded me of Lakhovsky's MWO bandwidth tests. Thus my continued (Doc had since moved on) interest in that specific SEC circuit and how it could be applied to what Lakhovsky was doing.

Amigo, thank you for your thoughts and the link

Eric

[DrStiffler]

Good Discussion

@amigo & Eric

Let me inject something to think about in the search for the truth.

1) It has to be determined what component or components are the energy receivers, the transistor junctions or the diodes if an AV Plug are used or is it the LEDs when powering a few hundred of the little guys.

I do not know for sure, but I have a very, very strong feeling and that is that it is the transistor. Why? Because of the way it reacts during operation at different tuning conditions. Example; you can tune an Exciter and have an input energy (V*I) of say 250mW and the transistor is smoking hot. Another spot and with the near same energy in it runs a bit above ambient. Okay we say its all in the load matching, when all impedance's match up the energy is dissipated in the load and not the transistor. Sounds logical to me, yet when you see and input of say 2.5W and the transistor is ..... now what can we think?

So is this real input energy? Even if it is not and has to be explained some other way, what is going on with the transistor temp? Now you "Must' use controlled experiments to see this. In extreme cases you can hit it with a temp gun and see some interesting things, but you need to isolate the transistor from the ambient air via Styrofoam of something and use an onboard temp probe to see these things.

What happens in these little junctions when exposed to 12kA spikes for picoseconds? This is not where I can go, like I have stated many times, I hope this is all controlled and explained at the macro level and let the Quantum boys mess with the rest as I'm sure they want to answer it in their terms anyway.

2) What happens to a collapsing magnetic field when it has no return? In other words you charge up a coil and disconnect it at both ends with the speed of C (mind picture only), it does some very interesting things and appears to be CEC upscale. Take note of the diode in series with the L2 coil that was not included on the initial PCB release. What do you think its purpose is? Yes that's right. So as the field expands into free space (okay around the board) can it couple into parts of the rest of the circuit? Does it pick up or carry a bit of extra baggage when it makes the exit/entrance?

I ponder the huge spikes throughout the circuit (of which the transistor, diodes or any other part) cannot handle and the spikes are extremely fast so the parts could not respond anyway (unless they can respond but at the lowest level of all) the actual lattice within the junctions themselves, they may be able to process something virtual say? Something that may appear and wink out, yet cause a few extra electron's to be knocked around.

Good thing for a Sunday to use the mind on, not chips, no booze, no boob tube, just thoughts of virtual dots bouncing there way into and out of this world inside a transistor all excited by kA spikes that average to almost nothing.

[Tecstatic]

@amigo & Eric

Let me inject something to think about in the search for the truth.

1) It has to be determined what component or components are the energy receivers, the transistor junctions or the diodes if an AV Plug are used or is it the LEDs when powering a few hundred of the little guys.

I don't know if more parts add up, but I know RLC is a sufficient condition, eg. seen in the transverter or the Peter Lindemann generator, known as "Brown-Ecklin". Hector optimized the generator, no magnets, but on one of the 4 C legs, all with a coil, he paralleled a capacitor and tuned to resonance. He obtained a COP (CEC) > 3 with this seemingly simple device.

Others using magnets without tuning to resonance has been disappointed by the generator. Maybe they did not build it right either.

I do not know for sure, but I have a very, very strong feeling and that is that it is the transistor. Why? Because of the way it reacts during operation at different tuning conditions. Example; you can tune an Exciter and have an input energy (V*I) of say 250mW and the transistor is smoking hot. Another spot and with the near same energy in it runs a bit above ambient. Okay we say its all in the load matching, when all impedance's match up the energy is dissipated in the load and not the transistor. Sounds logical to me, yet when you see and input of say 2.5W and the transistor is ..... now what can we think?

So is this real input energy? Even if it is not and has to be explained some other way, what is going on with the transistor temp? Now you "Must' use controlled experiments to see this. In extreme cases you can hit it with a temp gun and see some interesting things, but you need to isolate the transistor from the ambient air via Styrofoam of something and use an onboard temp probe to see these things.

What happens in these little junctions when exposed to 12kA spikes for picoseconds? This is not where I can go, like I have stated many times, I hope this is all controlled and explained at the macro level and let the Quantum boys mess with the rest as I'm sure they want to answer it in their terms anyway.

I have no idea as I have read about two contradicting things.
You mentioned that the transistor contained Barium. There is some "magic" to Barium, it is used in the magnet in Norm Wootans Magnetic Resonance Amplifier. That points to the transistor maybe participates.

On the other hand I have seen several reports describing ice on the wires conducting the cold electricity. So maybe the effect just comes from cold electricity generated elsewhere.

Some sort of experiment is necessary to determine this.

2) What happens to a collapsing magnetic field when it has no return? In other words you charge up a coil and disconnect it at both ends with the speed of C (mind picture only), it does some very interesting things and appears to be CEC upscale.

The self-running window motor is an example of this effect.
I just don't get the point with the diode and L2.

As I see it the collector end voltage goes up positive, and the diode end tries to go down negative, assuming a "mass middle" of the coil trying to stay at the same voltage.

If the coil end was also free it would be another story.
I have built that circuit switching both coil ends, but maybe I have missed something in the SEC circuit.

Take note of the diode in series with the L2 coil that was not included on the initial PCB release. What do you think its purpose is? Yes that's right. So as the field expands into free space (okay around the board) can it couple into parts of the rest of the circuit? Does it pick up or carry a bit of extra baggage when it makes the exit/entrance?

I ponder the huge spikes throughout the circuit (of which the transistor, diodes or any other part) cannot handle and the spikes are extremely fast so the parts could not respond anyway (unless they can respond but at the lowest level of all) the actual lattice within the junctions themselves, they may be able to process something virtual say? Something that may appear and wink out, yet cause a few extra electron's to be knocked around.

I have never seen it this way, assuming no galvanic connection, But as the "radiant" "current" is able to follow an "isolator" if I have understood this right, maybe this is also a contribution (if the diode idea works).

But maybe a "splitting the positive" effect could be added to the collector node if it does not load too much, I have tried the ignition system and seen the effect. With the low collector voltages, the effect would not be strong, but every contribution are welcome. If it was strong it may be a problem for the transistor.

I think the components are saved from the spikes by their capacitance. But who knows, maybe there is more to it, You mentioned previously that you have only seen the effect with the MPSA06. So if there is some special effect, more "brain sweat" is certainly needed.

Good thing for a Sunday to use the mind on, not chips, no booze, no boob tube, just thoughts of virtual dots bouncing there way into and out of this world inside a transistor all excited by kA spikes that average to almost nothing.

[amigo]

I'll blurb some random thoughts...

Regarding L2 and the diode in the positive rail, I think Doc was refering to other possible effects. I recall we had conversations on OU regarding these small signal diodes and their glass/transparent packaging, and how some light wave could possibly affect it.

As far as the L2 magnetic field encompassing the diode, isn't that a simple way to test - encase the diode in a metal cage and see what happens, or move the diode further away?

I honestly hope that this SEC effect is not due to some fancy quantum tunneling occurring in the transistor's junctions. If this is unique to ON MPSA06 then we are screwed. For one we are limited in the power output and two, if ON decides to change their design or substitute materials or what not the whole thing will become a write-off. Not a forward looking prospect, at all.

Weekend is about the only time I can unwind and think clearly about these outlandish subjects and not being bogged down by weekday work related non-sense.

For that matter I envy Doc a bit because he is retired and has more time to devote to his heart's pursuits.

[gmeast]

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I'll blurb some random thoughts...

Regarding L2 and the diode in the positive rail, I think Doc was refering to other possible effects. I recall we had conversations on OU regarding these small signal diodes and their glass/transparent packaging, and how some light wave could possibly affect it.

As far as the L2 magnetic field encompassing the diode, isn't that a simple way to test - encase the diode in a metal cage and see what happens, or move the diode further away?

I honestly hope that this SEC effect is not due to some fancy quantum tunneling occurring in the transistor's junctions. If this is unique to ON MPSA06 then we are screwed. For one we are limited in the power output and two, if ON decides to change their design or substitute materials or what not the whole thing will become a write-off. Not a forward looking prospect, at all.

Weekend is about the only time I can unwind and think clearly about these outlandish subjects and not being bogged down by weekday work related non-sense.

For that matter I envy Doc a bit because he is retired and has more time to devote to his heart's pursuits.

Hi all,

I don't know if this applies but I made my SEC run on a generic 2222 just fine. Got a little warm ... wasn't really high gain, etc., but it worked. What I mean to say is I can get the neon to light brightly on the AV Plug with the NPN 2222.

...otherwise I'm using Fairchild SA06's ... I think they are better than ON's ... lower heat, etc. ! I've tried both ... but then again I'm new to this SEC stuff.

Greg

[DrStiffler]

I don't know if more parts add up, but I know RLC is a sufficient condition, eg. seen in the transverter or the Peter Lindemann generator, known as "Brown-Ecklin". Hector optimized the generator, no magnets, but on one of the 4 C legs, all with a coil, he paralleled a capacitor and tuned to resonance. He obtained a COP (CEC) > 3 with this seemingly simple device.

Others using magnets without tuning to resonance has been disappointed by the generator. Maybe they did not build it right either.



I have no idea as I have read about two contradicting things.
You mentioned that the transistor contained Barium. There is some "magic" to Barium, it is used in the magnet in Norm Wootans Magnetic Resonance Amplifier. That points to the transistor maybe participates.

On the other hand I have seen several reports describing ice on the wires conducting the cold electricity. So maybe the effect just comes from cold electricity generated elsewhere.

Some sort of experiment is necessary to determine this.



The self-running window motor is an example of this effect.
I just don't get the point with the diode and L2.

As I see it the collector end voltage goes up positive, and the diode end tries to go down negative, assuming a "mass middle" of the coil trying to stay at the same voltage.

If the coil end was also free it would be another story.
I have built that circuit switching both coil ends, but maybe I have missed something in the SEC circuit.



I have never seen it this way, assuming no galvanic connection, But as the "radiant" "current" is able to follow an "isolator" if I have understood this right, maybe this is also a contribution (if the diode idea works).

But maybe a "splitting the positive" effect could be added to the collector node if it does not load too much, I have tried the ignition system and seen the effect. With the low collector voltages, the effect would not be strong, but every contribution are welcome. If it was strong it may be a problem for the transistor.

I think the components are saved from the spikes by their capacitance. But who knows, maybe there is more to it, You mentioned previously that you have only seen the effect with the MPSA06. So if there is some special effect, more "brain sweat" is certainly needed.

@Tecstatic
I do remember some time back that you answered (amigo) when he questioned who Hector was and I remember you answered, but did you say what he was? Theorist or Applicationist? (new word:surprise: )

Could you point me back to that post or tell it again?

Thanks...