High Voltage from Thin Air?

[lamare]

I wish I could have seen it live. Anyway are you saying that he did not for sure have the pool grounded? What is to the story that it had to be salt water (NaCl added)?

There's a video over at:
Transmission of Power Without Wires (Scalar Waves)

In the very last frame, you can see a wire from the receiver being connected to some metalic wing-like structure underneath the boat. So, at least the receiver in the boat appears to be "grounded" to the water.

[lamare]

Some thoughts about 2 ball receiving

Hi all,

I was just thinking about Doc's demo with 2 spheres as receivers. Given the wave-lenghts, these spheres must practically be (almost) in phase. Therefore, you'd want a full wavelength coil in between your receiver balls. Otherwise, the two received signals will interfere with one another.

So, it would be interesting to see what happens if you take two (or perhaps more) identical coils (as used before) in series. If my assumption about the "open pipe" analogy is correct, you should see a significant increase in received power when using two coils in series. Then, you should see a high activity in between the coils, where you connect them, that is at the opposite phase as the signal at the ball/receiver ends of the coils.

If not, and we're really resonating at 1/4 wavelength after all, you would need 4 in series to get everything tuned.

One more thing: IIRC, the French game "jeu de boules" is played with metal balls. These might be ideal for our purposes...

[Tecstatic]

Doc
Thanks for the explanations.

The demonstration was carried out in a small inflatable pool for children, I saw no wire to the pool, if there were one it would have to go over the edge of the pool. I did not watch every step of Meyl, I did not see him add salt, but I assume he did to make the water act as a mass.

He has so strong a field at the receiver that he could light a FL up to half a meter from the receiver as seen shortly in this clip.

http://www.meyl.eu/go/45_Videos-on-d...n_its_head.flv

Regarding the headache.
I just went through some copyrighted material, where Meyl states it is necessary to have a receiver with 100% efficiency, i.e. all field lines close in, "then you have no biological effects"

He shared his knowledge with an american university, who sold the concept to Intel.
Apart from getting no money, Meyl also fears the technology are not going to be implemented correctly, "then we will all suffer when the biological window is not avoided", he says.

With the headache I got, this saying deserves credit, so doing experiments having one or more receivers placed nearby, when tuned they prevents the field lines from closing in on your body. So another explanation for the headache is you act as the receiver yourself.

He also discusses the equation:

frequency x wavelength = propagation speed

He states you always have to measure two parts from the equation, then the third can be calculated.

"Don't listen to the ones measuring just one, it is nonsense, as the propagation speed is not constant. In air the longitudinal sound waves the propagation speed is not constant either, but dependent upon several factors"

The quotes is not his exact words, but expresses his statements in condensed form.

Eric

[Tecstatic]

One more thing.

Meyl states we have 3 types of waves:

EM waves (the normal transverse waves)
Electric Longitudinal waves traveling in the direction of the electric field pointer
Magnetic Longitudinal waves traveling in the direction of the magnetic field pointer

He also says he wants as many as possible to do replications, I guess we do a lot of effort to do that and learn

Eric

[morpher44]

Hendershot's frequency

One more thing.
Magnetic Longitudinal waves traveling in the direction of the magnetic field pointer
Eric

In my humble effort to reverse engineer Hendershot's Fuelless Generator,
I'm starting to lean toward the idea that Hendershot was tuning his tuned circuit to the Earth's field NMR frequency, which is around 2khz (audio range of radio waves). This frequency is the spin of protons as they swirl around
subject to earth's magnetic field.

With the Stiffler work, is it possible that there is a beat frequency
between his two coils in his SEC -- that tunes to the
earth's magnetic field NMR.
Does the SEC work, say, if the coils were quite different
such that there wasn't a 2khz (or so) beat frequency?

[lamare]

There is a document describing Meyls experimental kit with pictures at:

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Project...al-Kit2003.pdf

And an mp3 interview at:

Achieve Radio Archive Vault playing Progressive Technology Hour with William Alek&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/vortex-net-tech/Sep-13-2008-at-10-00AM---Vortex-Net-Technology.mp3

[morpher44]

Honeycomb coils.

Another thought to pass along to Dr. Stiffler and those replicating his work.
You might consider using honeycomb coils.
Honey comb coil construction

Old-time radio folk learned how to get the highest possible Q
from their coils, which makes the tuning that much more precise,
the bandwidth narrower, etc.
It seems to me that for optimizing the energy transfer, the Q
must be high.

Also, btw, if

P = V^2 / R

and R approaches zero, doesn't P approach infinity even with a small V?
Regenerative circuit designers know how to create "negative resistance"
to counter the positive resistance in their circuits.

[morpher44]

beat frequency idea

Question:
For the Stiffler SEC, has anyone measure the value
of the variable inductor when set to resonance.
The circuit calls for a variable inductor, that can range
from 2uH to some other unknown value.

If the first coil is 10uH, and the adjustable one is say
10.023797uH, that would create the 2khz beat needed
for Earth's field NMR.
So I guess the question to be answered is, what inductance
does the adjustable one have at resonance?

[DrStiffler]

Doc
Thanks for the explanations.

The demonstration was carried out in a small inflatable pool for children, I saw no wire to the pool, if there were one it would have to go over the edge of the pool. I did not watch every step of Meyl, I did not see him add salt, but I assume he did to make the water act as a mass.

He has so strong a field at the receiver that he could light a FL up to half a meter from the receiver as seen shortly in this clip.

http://www.meyl.eu/go/45_Videos-on-d...n_its_head.flv

Regarding the headache.
I just went through some copyrighted material, where Meyl states it is necessary to have a receiver with 100% efficiency, i.e. all field lines close in, "then you have no biological effects"

He shared his knowledge with an american university, who sold the concept to Intel.
Apart from getting no money, Meyl also fears the technology are not going to be implemented correctly, "then we will all suffer when the biological window is not avoided", he says.

With the headache I got, this saying deserves credit, so doing experiments having one or more receivers placed nearby, when tuned they prevents the field lines from closing in on your body. So another explanation for the headache is you act as the receiver yourself.

He also discusses the equation:

frequency x wavelength = propagation speed

He states you always have to measure two parts from the equation, then the third can be calculated.

"Don't listen to the ones measuring just one, it is nonsense, as the propagation speed is not constant. In air the longitudinal sound waves the propagation speed is not constant either, but dependent upon several factors"

The quotes is not his exact words, but expresses his statements in condensed form.

Eric

@Eric

With the headache I got, this saying deserves credit, so doing experiments having one or more receivers placed nearby, when tuned they prevents the field lines from closing in on your body. So another explanation for the headache is you act as the receiver yourself.

This I agree 100%. If you are close to your xmitter and tune and then move away, the R:F (Resonant Frequency) changes. This is a result of the body mass and the water content of the body. Best way to tune is to be as far from the xmitter as possible. I have had some success with coax and not using the shield at the xmitter end.

So if he has sold some of this technology I wonder if we are not just wasting time with the reinvention of the wheel?

[morpher44]

heterodyne principle

In the SEC circuit we have two coils, which I would suspect need to be in a certain proximity of each other to work.
We have the 10uH and we have the variable (2-20uH) coils.

These coils will have some unknown implicit capacitance.
So each of them is essentially a tank circuit.
One is tunable, however.
This creates a hetrodyne effect between them.
A negative resistance feedback can occur if the tuned
frequency brings in extra energy into the system.
This was well known in the radio days.

Is this what we are seeing in the SEC?
If yes, the beat frequency may be very important to know since
it appears to be the magic frequency that brings in the energy.

[DrStiffler]

One more thing.

Meyl states we have 3 types of waves:

EM waves (the normal transverse waves)
Electric Longitudinal waves traveling in the direction of the electric field pointer
Magnetic Longitudinal waves traveling in the direction of the magnetic field pointer

He also says he wants as many as possible to do replications, I guess we do a lot of effort to do that and learn

Eric

@Eric
I myself am not so concerned with this aspect. I am rather interested in the potential of a scalar wave (if it is indeed a pressure wave) moving in this dimension at anything above 'c'. Now I could see it moving at >c if it tunneled through another dimension. What this might imply is that we could be dealing with virtual particles that only have mass when they leave the xmitter and reappear at the receiver.

Because of the way the wave appears to act, I at this time do not see how it could bump is way through this dimension without more loss than is shown, yet if it is allowed to take a short cut while losing its mass, things look different.

[DrStiffler]

In the SEC circuit we have two coils, which I would suspect need to be in a certain proximity of each other to work.
We have L1 - 10uH and we have the variable Lb (2-20uH).

These coils will have some unknown implicit capacitance.
So each of them is essentially a tank circuit.
One is tunable, however.
This creates a hetrodyne effect between them.
A negative resistance feedback can occur if the tuned
frequency brings in extra energy into the system.
This was well known in the radio days.

Is this what we are seeing in the SEC?
If yes, the beat frequency may be very important to know since
it appears to be the magic frequency that brings in the energy.

@morpher44
SEC stands for 'Spatial Energy Coherence' and is a Theory I have developed on how my 'Exciters' are able to 'Cohere Energy' from what I describe as the 'Spatial Energy Lattice'. When one is able to 'Cohere' energy from the lattice and under the proper circuit design (May) be able to see a CEC 'Cohered Energy Coefficient' of >1.

SEC is not the circuit, the Exciters are the circuits.

Exciters do not produce beat frequencies that are below 4MHz under any (properly tuned) conditions.

My work is far removed from Hendershot.

[DrStiffler]

Updating Equipment

@All
I received my new 3Gc scopes on Saturday and am going to release some of the lower frequency ones. For someone in the US that would like a jewel @100MHz I have a Fluke PM3082 with full manuals and a x1 an x10 probe. This is a great computer controlled scope (low BW). Someone interested let me know by PM, I will be putting it up next week on Ebay.

[lamare]

@Eric
I myself am not so concerned with this aspect. I am rather interested in the potential of a scalar wave (if it is indeed a pressure wave) moving in this dimension at anything above 'c'. Now I could see it moving at >c if it tunneled through another dimension. What this might imply is that we could be dealing with virtual particles that only have mass when they leave the xmitter and reappear at the receiver.

Because of the way the wave appears to act, I at this time do not see how it could bump is way through this dimension without more loss than is shown, yet if it is allowed to take a short cut while losing its mass, things look different.

Maybe a line of thinking along the lines of Harramein leads to something in the right direction:

If you watch the part I posted earlier today about his rotating string and envision a standing EM wave as something similar, you might be able to get a standing EM wave, consisting of rotating vortexes. These vortexes appear to be the same thing as what we know as particles. So, if a particle, an EM wave, is a vortex with, according to Harramein, a black hole at its centre, one can imagine a line of these things being capable of creating something akin to a tornado, or a row of tornados, between your transmitter and your receiver. With the eye of the vortex being similar to a black hole, it might be possible for eather or scalar waves to be able to travel trough this vortex or vortices at a speed > c, because the "eye" of a vortex might be forming a worm hole, as is often thought to happen around black holes.

However, considering the distance you're working with compared to the wave lengths you're working with, this seems a very far fetched idea.

OTOH: if you have a standing wave in a coil, you might very well have a vortex around the centre of your coil. And if you indeed create something like a particle with a black hole or a vortex-eye in the centre, then this vortex may be capable of sucking up particles or energy from the environment.

An intriguing thought. If that is the case, and one considers that the so-called platonic structures are key elements in the organisation of atoms into crystals, one might see interesting effects when using these kinds of stuctures. When one considers that, the Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat comes to mind:

Coler Magnetstromapparat
The Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat Device

If this thing indeed works, it suggests that there might be some truth in this idea, after all.

[Tecstatic]

@Eric
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So if he has sold some of this technology I wonder if we are not just wasting time with the reinvention of the wheel?

He did not sell it, they just took it as their own. They probably listened to Steve Ballmer (M$) who has told the employees to take the best ideas from others and make them their own.

Meyl has also spoken about modulation.

The more complicated you modulate the signal, the more difficult it is to get in resonance with the receiver. The receiver needs to be spot on with frequency, modulation and phase in order to lock together.

This is a very important property for non interruptible point to point communication. He must have used these principles in his factory data acquisition system.

Talking of reinventing the wheel take a look at this document:

Telekommunikation ohne Elektrosmok

I have the document, it was not that easy to find on the net for you, without the document I would probably have found nothing. Right now it has been downloaded 3 times.

I guess this is suppressed technology as well, as it can be made impossible to be a subject of surveillance.
Surveillance is a very important property for a communication technology as the world spanning police state emerges right now.

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If you have doubts of the nature of the scalar wave, take a look at the nerves in the human body. Some doctor has studied the nerves under a microscope, and could not understand the way they looked, When he discussed this with Meyl, then the pieces came together.

The nerves are scalar wave transmission lines tuned to a specific frequency. This is the way our body works, the communication is done by nerves each having specific frequencies. The new generation of more effective treatments using frequencies, thats the way forward, not e.g. some of the terrible cancer drugs. If you don't die from the cancer, you die from the drug, and the medical company gets rich.

As I have mentioned, this technology can be used for the worst or the best of humanity.

I have seen the good effects myself from this technology, and I have no doubt this is the way it is, learn by the nature.

Let me repeat this saying, that Meyl stressed strongly in several sentences:

"Don't listen to the ones measuring just one, it is nonsense, as the propagation speed is not constant. In air the longitudinal sound waves the propagation speed is not constant either, but dependent upon several factors"

I think this deserves credit also. Meyl says it is dependent upon equipment used and more he did not mention. So maybe this account for a part of the difficulties we experience. IMHO Meyl is one of the most knowledgeable persons alive regarding Teslas work. Theory as well as experiments.

Eric