High Voltage from Thin Air?

[DrStiffler]

@Doc
Your welcome, that is the least I can do, when asking for help. And thank you for an extensive answer.
What I ask for is some of the most difficult issues to understand I have met for a long time.

For some reason I did not graph:
"Graphing F(h)=13.2 is non-linear until you reach 13.2."

Which is remarkable.
Here we have the first two points "outside" the line.

For the 2nd set there is only 1 point "outside" the line.
I have noted you comments about linearity below and above the fundamental.


Yes, the 2nd set look kind of deform and not like an ordinary spectra.

Am I correct the measured curve is the oscillator spectra multiplied with the properties of the Energy Lattice, or is this nonsense ?

"Oh, what do you think is the real fundamental of the Exciter here?"
13.2MHz

"
For this I have no precise opinion right now. It is many years since I learned about this, and I'm uncertain of the "source" signal type. This is fortified by lack of an SA.



This is a very significant statement for designing circuits, but I don't know why the "Q" is so, and what about the other properties. Do you have a reference helping me to read about the Energy Lattice so I hopefully get a better understanding, or are you in reality the only person with a precise answer ?

I wish I could come up with some better answers, but thats my abilities so far.

It seems my mental model is wrong, but seeing that, is the first step for a better model.

I have attached my curves. maybe it can be to some help. Rename the file to .xls extension before opening.

Eric

@Eric

It is quite easy to determine the fundamental, it is the clean sine wave seen when coupled to the base of the exciter, This can be done with a sniffer coil or just close proximity of a scope probe to L1. Your answer to my asking what you thought was the fundamental was again a question as an answer.

[Tecstatic]

@Eric

It is quite easy to determine the fundamental, it is the clean sine wave seen when coupled to the base of the exciter, This can be done with a sniffer coil or just close proximity of a scope probe to L1. Your answer to my asking what you thought was the fundamental was again a question as an answer.

@Doc
"Oh, what do you think is the real fundamental of the Exciter here?"
13.2MHz

Isn't that an answer

I have also used the trick with a probe in proximity to L1.

The next stuff I wrote was about the spectra.
Remember the quote only goes one step back as you can see from my original post.

Thanks for the MPSA06 answer.

I have included a link to a plot I did three years ago from exciters using the antenna coil with the ferrite core. I think the similarities should be apparent. Now if you take any number of coils and run a sweep you begin to see something very key in the results. At first you question you generator of Exciter, even your particular setup. Then a commonality will form in your thoughts and one should see what they found over 100 years ago that we ignore today. I know many people hate my coining of 'Spatial Energy Coherence' and or Spatial anything, well that is indeed to bad.

I don't hate your coining of 'Spatial Energy Coherence', as you so far is the person I have learned the most from.

I also consider you fully credible, because you base your ideas firmly on experimentation, and your experiments gets replicated by many, including myself. The 'haters' could maybe benefit from a second look.

So It would be nice to know what 100 year old stuff you are referring to here ?

Eric

[Inquorate]

Chaos, Order and Synchrony

I knew all that study I did into the underlying order to chaotic and non-linear systems would pay off one day.

It's all about opening the window so that the structure behind randomness show's it's cards..

And there's at least two aces in that hand..

YouTube - When linear goes chaotic in an SEC Exciter

Love and light

[DrStiffler]

I knew all that study I did into the underlying order to chaotic and non-linear systems would pay off one day.

It's all about opening the window so that the structure behind randomness show's it's cards..

And there's at least two aces in that hand..

YouTube - When linear goes chaotic in an SEC Exciter

Love and light

@Inquorate

Is this what might be called an Oxymoron? Is this similar to the dog biting his own tail, controlling chaos without removing the randomness?

Nice view of underlying SEC.

[Inquorate]

@Inquorate

Is this what might be called an Oxymoron? Is this similar to the dog biting his own tail, controlling chaos without removing the randomness?

Nice view of underlying SEC.

Does one control the sunlight when one opens the blinds?

And thanks again for all the thought-provoking scenarios.

Love and light

[DrStiffler]

Does one control the sunlight when one opens the blinds?

And thanks again for all the thought-provoking scenarios.

Love and light

@Inquorate

Does one control the sunlight when one opens the blinds?

Don't we?

Action without reaction, cause without effect or turn it around, an effect without a cause

Truly 'Open' Systems, doubtful in my mind and must remain that way or my idea of the Energy Lattice is bogus and will fall into ashes. Does the transmitter feel the receiver, IMHO of course it does. Maybe our ability to measure these event is so primitive that we feel they do not exist.

Or maybe the events are mask by occurring in a different dimension and it is not possible to see the underlying cause from this frame? Might it be possible to cause by action in one dimension a response in another dimension that does not obey our physics and as a result we interpret certain artifacts as chaotic and random? Could we not if understand some of the rules involved communicate information across the boundaries and obtain a 'Cohered' response more to our liking and somewhat under our control?

I guess I need a good chair and move to mind pictures and forget anything practical, with totally mind experience the questions never end as one always leads to another.

[Inquorate]

Chaos and order

A system with variables x, y, and z can operate chaotically according to certain rules; like a horizontal wheel tilted on a hill that contains buckets around it's perimeter. The buckets have small holes in them, and a man with a hose stands at the highest point, filling the top bucket.

Although the system operates according to known circumstances, it will be impossible to predict how many times it spins clockwise before anti-clockwise, over time.

If you graphed it, the graph of random motion would follow a pattern, but never would the variables be the same else it would repeat.

What this shows is the order that underlies apparent chaotic or non-linear systems.

Your system in cec>1 mode is chaotic. IMHO this exposes the underlying (anti-entropic) order that underlies chaos. Or simply exposes the underlying structure (that appears to be disorder to us) of the energy lattice / aether.

If just one of the variables (x,y,z) in one system is tied to the chaotic system - in this case L - then these systems, while chaotic, can operate in sync.

Thus we can open the blinds, and let the sunlight in where we expected it. And this we can use.

Thanks for this exchange, it has opened my eyes - even if just in readiness for the next lesson

Love and light

[DrStiffler]

A system with variables x, y, and z can operate chaotically according to certain rules; like a horizontal wheel tilted on a hill that contains buckets around it's perimeter. The buckets have small holes in them, and a man with a hose stands at the highest point, filling the top bucket.

Although the system operates according to known circumstances, it will be impossible to predict how many times it spins clockwise before anti-clockwise, over time.

If you graphed it, the graph of random motion would follow a pattern, but never would the variables be the same else it would repeat.

What this shows is the order that underlies apparent chaotic or non-linear systems.

Your system in cec>1 mode is chaotic. IMHO this exposes the underlying (anti-entropic) order that underlies chaos. Or simply exposes the underlying structure (that appears to be disorder to us) of the energy lattice / aether.

If just one of the variables (x,y,z) in one system is tied to the chaotic system - in this case L - then these systems, while chaotic, can operate in sync.

Thus we can open the blinds, and let the sunlight in where we expected it. And this we can use.

Thanks for this exchange, it has opened my eyes - even if just in readiness for the next lesson

Love and light

@Inquorate

Some replicators have not notice this and primarily because they were not looking or because their procedures did not allow for the observation and I bring this up for a couple of reasons, which should be obvious.

The issue of the little understood 'Near Field' as it applies to SEC Excitation. The question one must ask to at once eliminate the question of 'Near Field' is what happens when you turn off the excitation? Does the 'Near Field' and its effects simultaneously disappear? The answer is (YES). Is there in existence any Literature that claims a latent field? (NO) At least not currently know to me.

Does the field around a SEC Exciter simultaneously disappear when the Exciter is turned off? (NO) not under all circumstances. Does the field around a SEC Exciter build at the rate of c when power is applied? (NO) Does it appear similar in creation to charging a capacitor? (YES). Can one pull energy from a latent field when the Exciter is Off? (YES)

Now what are the conditions under which we will generate or leave a latent field?

How does this correlate with you chaos idea?

Other dimension as per some existing math are required to be extremely small, makes sense.

[Armagdn03]

I posted an "invention" which may be of interest to the crowd in this forum on another thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post68192

This makes use of the potential gradient parallel to the magnetic circulation created in single layer solenoids to create a self oscillating solenoid with only passive components (donno if people consider impedance gaps passive or not).

[Inquorate]

@Inquorate

Some replicators have not notice this and primarily because they were not looking or because their procedures did not allow for the observation and I bring this up for a couple of reasons, which should be obvious.

The issue of the little understood 'Near Field' as it applies to SEC Excitation. The question one must ask to at once eliminate the question of 'Near Field' is what happens when you turn off the excitation? Does the 'Near Field' and its effects simultaneously disappear? The answer is (YES). Is there in existence any Literature that claims a latent field? (NO) At least not currently know to me.

Does the field around a SEC Exciter simultaneously disappear when the Exciter is turned off? (NO) not under all circumstances. Does the field around a SEC Exciter build at the rate of c when power is applied? (NO) Does it appear similar in creation to charging a capacitor? (YES). Can one pull energy from a latent field when the Exciter is Off? (YES)

Now what are the conditions under which we will generate or leave a latent field?

How does this correlate with you chaos idea?

Other dimension as per some existing math are required to be extremely small, makes sense.

@mudwump

Will respond to you PM soon, first break I have had in days. A personal problem has taken me 24/7, outcome still unclear and may be weeks before I get back to work.

Anyway I got the PM and will respond.

This cap thing drive me crazy. Folks who has told you this is so damn simple and a quality indicator.

Here is the best example. Charge a cap knowing Joules moved. Now with a load dump the cap and measure Joules moved. Now what you get back is not what you put in, period. Let the cap sit and then repeat for another surge of Joules (much small). Let it sit, dump again, guess what a trickle more. You ESR as the bare minimum and then you have dielectric storage and migration time. So really, what is the true plan that will give such a test a SQUARE shake?

Ok, I feel like I've managed to grab a few of the threads here. I don't know what tapestry they belong to, but these things sit in the back of my mind until it all falls into place.

I'll get it soon, or become unhinged. Maybe after more experiments; maybe after watching your videos again.

Love and light

[Inquorate]

Latent field

By 'latent field persisting' do you mean when we have an out-of-tune Exciter, and touch an area around the Exciter, thus changing the spatial capacitance so that the Exciter comes into tune or becomes chaotic; and then sometimes when we move our hand away, the Exciter remains in tune or in chaos..

This should not happen according to accepted theory.

But then water should not 'remember' what was in it Water with Memory? Unbelievable becomes believable

So, memory of water = energy lattice.

Here we also get into 'energy follows consciousness', which is why persisting with an SEC Exciter can cause it to eventually come into tune although nothing has changed.

I think.

I'm aware I haven't answered your questions, Dr Stiffler. Just fleshing out possibilities.

Love and light

[Inquorate]

Explanatory note

Several years ago before I knew about spatial resonance, the aether and the energy lattice, I summed up other people's work on chaos, randomness, quantum physics, Synchronicity, string theory, psychic phenomena, memory of water, etc etc..

It's not properly referenced, although all the sources are in the reference section.

I never got past the draft because I came across the aether concept and realised a complete rewrite or second edition was in order.

However it may save people time in research and give them the platform for understanding spatial resonance.

So I uploaded it to scribd;

RIPLEFCT

The chapter on 'insert times article' was on how massive emotional world events caused aberrations in random number generators based on nuclear decay, but I lost that article.

Love and light

[Inquorate]

Avramenko plug experiments

The gain appears to be related to capacitance???

YouTube - capacitance? on an avramenko plug

Love and light

[DrStiffler]

By 'latent field persisting' do you mean when we have an out-of-tune Exciter, and touch an area around the Exciter, thus changing the spatial capacitance so that the Exciter comes into tune or becomes chaotic; and then sometimes when we move our hand away, the Exciter remains in tune or in chaos..

This should not happen according to accepted theory.

But then water should not 'remember' what was in it Water with Memory? Unbelievable becomes believable

So, memory of water = energy lattice.

Here we also get into 'energy follows consciousness', which is why persisting with an SEC Exciter can cause it to eventually come into tune although nothing has changed.

I think.

I'm aware I haven't answered your questions, Dr Stiffler. Just fleshing out possibilities.

Love and light

@Inquorate
No I'm not referring to changes in the localized field of an operational Exciter by changes in the parasitic (surrounding) capacities.

I'm surprized no one has come forward and talked about their observations, same old thing, let the old doc hang himself.

What I was talking about is turning OFF (removing all input energy from PSU) and retaining the ability for some time of ionizing a neon on the area around the Exciter. This field will stay at times for some time and others it will dissipate very rapidly.

@All

Conditions beyond my control will require me to be unavailable until mid or late October. A colleague will manage my web site for me.

[Inquorate]

@Inquorate
No I'm not referring to changes in the localized field of an operational Exciter by changes in the parasitic (surrounding) capacities.

I'm surprized no one has come forward and talked about their observations, same old thing, let the old doc hang himself.

What I was talking about is turning OFF (removing all input energy from PSU) and retaining the ability for some time of ionizing a neon on the area around the Exciter. This field will stay at times for some time and others it will dissipate very rapidly.

@All

Conditions beyond my control will require me to be unavailable until mid or late October. A colleague will manage my web site for me.

I've not noticed that. But I haven't played with large masses yet.

anyone?