High Voltage from Thin Air?

[Bodkins]

have go two sec coming will be joining the fun soon!
thanks Dr Stiffler

[Inquorate]

important video

It won't upload to youtube, 20sec too long and my computer is playing up.. So I uploaded it to my blog.

Let me know if ppl have trouble viewing it; shouldn't be missed.

Nodes - Vox

Love and light

[Inquorate]

More of the above

YouTube - nodes in excited mass

[Inquorate]

Amperage

How do I get the amp draw down? I'm assuming it's tuning, but what type of tunable inductor on the emitter leg of the mpsa06 have ppl had most success with? Any help with a reliable tunable inductor would be greatly appreciated.

I can get terrific effects with 60-90ma @ 12v but after reading pages 10 to 15 or so, I see that ppl are able to excite the energy lattice with 30ma.

Of course, I don't have the psu isolation circuitry, as I cannot find the 1.9u Ferrite beads anywhere, so the analog meter I have may be showing more or less draw than actually present.

Love and light

[Inquorate]

15-3

I'm using the 15-3 but have had problems tuning to a sweet spot, tried several uh RF chokes and got one that will excite mass, but usually consumes 100ma..

I might try glueing a wound coil on a Ferrite core wrapped in paper; then adjust the core.

I had some luck wrapping a coil and filing the enamel wire coating off one edge; by contacting different spots I came across the two resonant points, one 1.5 times the first.

Your little Exciter looks superb, wish I had the confidence to solder up a board but so far I question my ability to get it in tune.

Exciter tower 1 - Vox

Thanks for the speedy reply

[DrStiffler]

I'm using the 15-3 but have had problems tuning to a sweet spot, tried several uh RF chokes and got one that will excite mass, but usually consumes 100ma..

I might try glueing a wound coil on a Ferrite core wrapped in paper; then adjust the core.

I had some luck wrapping a coil and filing the enamel wire coating off one edge; by contacting different spots I came across the two resonant points, one 1.5 times the first.

Your little Exciter looks superb, wish I had the confidence to solder up a board but so far I question my ability to get it in tune.

Exciter tower 1 - Vox

Thanks for the speedy reply

@Inquorate @All
Well its 0643 and between startup coffee I will slip in some (I hope) assistance before heading back to the lab.

!Inquorate "PLEASE" This is not criticism, it is information that may help in answering your questions. Every time I try to really help, shallow feelings seem to be my payment. Anyway here are some things that may direct you.

You are never going to get 0 current. You can get CEC>1 at 10amps, has nothing to do with the current, so worry less about current and more about being able to measure the results (CEC) otherwise its meaning nothing. Yes, high efficiency is great and as (Freezer) says, it beats out what is available on the market.

Now the death of all Exciters is unwanted parasitic capacity. Long clip leads, wires, proto boards (5-9pF interacting capacity from each pad to all others). The proto boards are good start, get a feel for it all and get off them. They feedback where wanted and at the same time feed back where not wanted.

Get rid of long wires and proto board, hand wire, worst case you can add capacity as needed. The 15-3, 10, 18, 20 boards all work and well with minimal properly placed on-board capacity.

You have for sure moved through areas of CEC>1, but you are looking at the wrong thing. I can't say it anymore, CEC>1 can be all or just one of many things and compose of; transistor heat, light, motion, sound etc., all these things added up are on the plus sign when compared to input. So a transistor gets red hot with 0.8W input, so what? A person may have +2W of heat and a CEC>1.

The 18 series boards are shipped with current ranges from 40-55mA and are all under the right conditions capable of CEC>1.

Okay (ALL), a self runner draws 30+mA, no not from a power supply, but internal to its own configuration. If we get hung up on some abstract measurement like current draw we never see the forest.

I know there are more questions out here, if I can I will try to slip in again...

Good work all, but please do not forget what you are looking for......

[Inquorate]

Cec>1

@Inquorate @All
Well its 0643 and between startup coffee I will slip in some (I hope) assistance before heading back to the lab.

!Inquorate "PLEASE" This is not criticism, it is information that may help in answering your questions. Every time I try to really help, shallow feelings seem to be my payment. Anyway here are some things that may direct you.

You are never going to get 0 current. You can get CEC>1 at 10amps, has nothing to do with the current, so worry less about current and more about being able to measure the results (CEC) otherwise its meaning nothing. Yes, high efficiency is great and as (Freezer) says, it beats out what is available on the market.

Now the death of all Exciters is unwanted parasitic capacity. Long clip leads, wires, proto boards (5-9pF interacting capacity from each pad to all others). The proto boards are good start, get a feel for it all and get off them. They feedback where wanted and at the same time feed back where not wanted.

Get rid of long wires and proto board, hand wire, worst case you can add capacity as needed. The 15-3, 10, 18, 20 boards all work and well with minimal properly placed on-board capacity.

You have for sure moved through areas of CEC>1, but you are looking at the wrong thing. I can't say it anymore, CEC>1 can be all or just one of many things and compose of; transistor heat, light, motion, sound etc., all these things added up are on the plus sign when compared to input. So a transistor gets red hot with 0.8W input, so what? A person may have +2W of heat and a CEC>1.

The 18 series boards are shipped with current ranges from 40-55mA and are all under the right conditions capable of CEC>1.

Okay (ALL), a self runner draws 30+mA, no not from a power supply, but internal to its own configuration. If we get hung up on some abstract measurement like current draw we never see the forest.

I know there are more questions out here, if I can I will try to slip in again...

Good work all, but please do not forget what you are looking for......

No criticism taken, I've had more stern talking to's from my grandmother

I just wanted to see what happened with less current; could I get the same effects, etc......

I did it by simply installing an RF choke off the power supply. I seem to remember reading that the Exciter can trigger a psu to cough up more energy unless the RF is suppressed properly, and I can vouch for that.

The nodes on a popcorn ball (areas where energy can be Cohered without affecting how much energy can be Cohered from another node nearby) have gotten larger in area, but localized RF nodes in the air have popped up; LED avramenko sensors will now light up around objects, not just on contact.

My analog amp meters keep dying, so I will start using other means to keep half an eye on psu output. Purely academic reasons.

And I'll stick it on a board.

Fingers crossed

Love and light

[Michael John Nunnerley]

@Inquorate @All
Well its 0643 and between startup coffee I will slip in some (I hope) assistance before heading back to the lab.

Okay (ALL), a self runner draws 30+mA, no not from a power supply, but internal to its own configuration....

Now those are the words I have been druming into people for a long time, people can not see the forest for the trees, (internal to its own configuration).

Sorry for posting this but the frustration in me over the years is begining to spill over.

I follow your thread all the time and I think it is great and your work is fantastic, and you have a lot of patience even though I am sure you would like to go a little bit quicker and without sensorship.

I do not replicate your work as I go down a different path, but hope it will end up at the same point. Your work is really a great education to me and many many others, and hope that one day we will have, the possibilities in practice, in every day life.

Keep up the good work

Mike

[Inquorate]

Before and after

Here's some observations I made before I suppressed the RF to my psu

YouTube - some scope shots of excited field # 1

YouTube - some scope shots of excited field # 2

Here's some observations after I suppressed the RF to the psu

YouTube - observations of sec with RF suppression to psu

Thought it may help someone

Love and light

[Loki67671]

@All
In an effort to explore the same things I have also switched back to exciters with much greater immediate tuning range, i.e. have a wide range variable inductor in the base tank circuit. One of which is a SEC15-3. Which is at least one question Inquorate has asked. Inductors of this type are becoming very rare monsters for several reasons. It is considered ancient technology as most "modern" radio's use synthesized signals that are generated via digital signal synthesis, DSS, in highly integrated circuits or minimally using varactor diodes that have a predictable junction capacitance based on reverse bias voltage. Regardless of my rambling there your best source for the tuning coils you seek are electronics surplus houses, ham radio swap meets, ham radio Amatuers themselves, and OLD JUNK radios and TV sets.
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BE WARNED!
BE VERY CAREFUL MESSING WITH OLD UNITS AS THEY HAVE VERY LARGE CAPACITORS IN THEM THAT CAN KILL YOU. AN OLD CRT PICTURE TUBE IS A MASSIVE CAPACITOR! I HAVE ACTUALLY FOUND THEM CHARGED IN THE DUMP!
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The inductors I have recovered have come from 1960's and 1970's era Motorola police radios, and I purchased some of the smaller forms that Dr. Stiffler used on the SEC 15-3's he so kindly provided for us to use for experimentation. The last time I looked they still had stock and his website has a reference to the source under the "coils" paper he has posted. Make no mistake you are looking for OBSOLETE items when you search for tunable inductors.

Now I have managed to find a spot running this SEC-15-3 in the photograph, also with the ladder filter as indicated by Dr. Stiffler, through tuning the inductor and actually more importantly it would seem adjusting the supply voltage where I have 48 LED's blazing on the reciever tower and about 66ma of current in the ground leg of the supply measured as a voltage drop across a 0.2 ohm current sensing resistor and then calculating the current. The input voltage is about 16.5 VDC giving an input power of just over 1W. The crazy thing is that the copper tubing heat sink on the transistor is so hot you cannot touch it without literally raising a blister on your finger. I don't understand how the transistor is not dead and it also seems to me completely incorrect that the transistor should be dissipating this kind of power. But it is! It is apparently cohering it from the lattice and just subjectively and intuitively it must have CEC>1. I'm working on actually measuring the currents and voltages in the LED banks but to date when I attempt it I am killing the effect. That is why I have now obtained the 0.2 ohm resistors and I will be building another LED bank here in a little bit with and integrated ladder filter set for voltage and current sensing.

As Dr. Stiffler has said, I am not so much worried with getting my input current down because I will gladly put in 1 or 2 watts of power for 4 or 5 watts back........... Isn't that the point? I am going to eventually measure this happening.

It also seems to me that I have to figure out HOW TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN IN THE DESIRED LOAD NOT THE TRANSISTOR.
That, in my experience, is quite the feat seeing as the whole damned thing is a tuned system including the power supply, SEC exciter, loads, local mass, and thus the lattice in relation to all of the above. Hell I probably am as well since I'm right in there interacting with it. The Doc is on to some VERY AMAZING STUFF.........IMAGINE WHAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE.........

Best regards,

Jim

[ABCStore]

HOW TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN IN THE DESIRED LOAD NOT THE TRANSISTOR.

Been there. Play with L3 and you'll get all of that heat transported to LEDs/S-Gate/whatever.

On another note, here's my question -
if I connect 2 more or less identical L3 coils to the collector then somehow I get high voltage between the opposite ends

ABC

[Inquorate]

Breadboard's last hoorah

@ ABC - you mean the hv is manifesting between the L3's? that's odd. If you put an avramenko plug off one coil or both, is the hv 'node' still in the middle, or does it move to the load?

@ all - I figured my breadboarded sec deserved a last hoorah;

YouTube - breadboard's last hoorah, and the SEC's interaction with the environment

@ lidmotor - ren and myself don't have the cash at the moment, but we want to see if we can tune the sec to run off it's own light thru a solar panel.

You have solar panels, can I ask you to take a punt at it?

Love and light

[Lidmotor]

light to solar panel feed back

@ ABC - you mean the hv is manifesting between the L3's? that's odd. If you put an avramenko plug off one coil or both, is the hv 'node' still in the middle, or does it move to the load?

@ all - I figured my breadboarded sec deserved a last hoorah;

YouTube - breadboard's last hoorah, and the SEC's interaction with the environment

@ lidmotor - ren and myself don't have the cash at the moment, but we want to see if we can tune the sec to run off it's own light thru a solar panel.

You have solar panels, can I ask you to take a punt at it?

Love and light

@Inquorate
My attempts to use the light to solar panel feed back were not to impressive. The solar panels are not efficient enough ---but they do help. I believe what the Doc said earlier about the CEC being determined by the added up sum of ALL the energy forms around the SEC. Light and heat are things usually not calculated. If you run a pulse motor with the SEC --wirlessly like I did, then you also have to factor in the mechanical energy. The whole thing is complicated. Trying to get a good hold on all this energy and put it in one place I have found to be very hard.

Lidmotor

[Inquorate]

Encore

@ lidmotor, thanks for your reply

@ all - found evidence that the near field excitation of an avramenko plug is not the same as RF electromagnetism being rectified.

The two states seem to exclude each other.

YouTube - evidence to suggest cohesion is not HV / RF

Love and light

[Inquorate]

Spark / EM

The above may also suggest that the spark has more to it than convention suggests, and may have been why I had great difficulty and ultimately little success shielding the scalar wave detector from spark emissions; yet the spark and the active mode of the Exciter seems to penetrate Faraday shielding that regular RF is stopped by..

All very odd.

I hope no-one minds my excessive? posting on this thread, just got a bit of time on my hands at the moment.