High Voltage from Thin Air?

[DrStiffler]

Scalar Wave Experts

I have a question for those that have practical experience in the detection of so called Scalar waves.

I have built and use a number of G0/No GO detectors mounted in shielding so the exclude most RF. Problem is Go/No Go is not able to allow some sort of relative power indication. This is very important and would allow relative measurements similar to those for the RF.

I have seen the ones posted on the net and the one by T. Bearden, but I do not feel we need Superconductivity devices t do this.

Here is a thought I had an am willing to build a device if someone that has such experience will chime in so I do not waste my time.

Ordinary crystal oscillator, (crystal in a can) components in shielding to exclude RF as much as possible. Crystal can exposed. Now would the scalar wave distort the crystal and cause a measurable frequency shift? If so the higher the crystal frequency the greater the sensitivity?

Come on lurkers, help out here.

***Can't wait so I tried it with a 50MHz 5V self contained oscillator. I allowed the counter and oscillator to stabilize and held a constant reading of 49.99998 +/- 1dig. I tried an 18-1 driving a LED board, a 15-3 driving a LED board and an 18-1 driving the towers wireless mode. Guess what, NO! frequency change in the oscillator. Did get the 1dig change now and then, but that was present when exciters were off. So either these little digital oscillator can compensate very well in which case a free xtal should be used or my detection theory is junk.

[Shamus]

Hi Inq,

I've been meaning to ask you, do you find any difference in your setup between having a top on your towers and not? I was wondering why you had "topless" hats on your towers.

[samedsoft]

Doctor,

Monstein from switzerland has detector. I have his paper, will find and PM it to you... Observation of scalar longitudinal electrodynamic waves


ALL,

Please please read this,

http://www.calphysics.org/articles/Forward1984.pdf

and

System for converting electromagnetic radiation energy to electrical energy - Patent 5590031

and

http://www.signallake.com/innovation...rodynamics.pdf

[Armagdn03]

I have a question for those that have practical experience in the detection of so called Scalar waves.

I have built and use a number of G0/No GO detectors mounted in shielding so the exclude most RF. Problem is Go/No Go is not able to allow some sort of relative power indication. This is very important and would allow relative measurements similar to those for the RF.

I have seen the ones posted on the net and the one by T. Bearden, but I do not feel we need Superconductivity devices t do this.

Here is a thought I had an am willing to build a device if someone that has such experience will chime in so I do not waste my time.

Ordinary crystal oscillator, (crystal in a can) components in shielding to exclude RF as much as possible. Crystal can exposed. Now would the scalar wave distort the crystal and cause a measurable frequency shift? If so the higher the crystal frequency the greater the sensitivity?

Come on lurkers, help out here.

***Can't wait so I tried it with a 50MHz 5V self contained oscillator. I allowed the counter and oscillator to stabilize and held a constant reading of 49.99998 +/- 1dig. I tried an 18-1 driving a LED board, a 15-3 driving a LED board and an 18-1 driving the towers wireless mode. Guess what, NO! frequency change in the oscillator. Did get the 1dig change now and then, but that was present when exciters were off. So either these little digital oscillator can compensate very well in which case a free xtal should be used or my detection theory is junk.

I really don't believe scalar waves exist, and im sure you have had quite an exhaustive discussion on this front so I may just be flapping my gums, but I would assume the wave "type" that people see going through shielding is more of a longitudinal dielectric wave. From my experimentation this causes a dielectric stress in all materials, this being its mode of propagation. For example, if you had say a 3 plate capacitor with two dielectric zones, two charged plates, with two dielectrics and one metal plate sandwiched in between. The capacity will come out to be the same whether the third metal plate was there or not, it is "invisible" even if grounded. This falls in line with exactly what should happen according to theory, and yet demonstrates propagation of information through a media usually reserved as a shield due to its conductivity. There are a few other examples people can find that point to similar conclusions.
If I were to build a detector for such waves, perhaps something that indicates a change in dielectric stress through a material, piezo crystals might be perfect as they would create their own currents in a deforming field.

Or perhaps if you knew prior the frequency you were looking for, or a range, you could build a bit larger parallel plate capacitor receiver with as a part of a tunable tank. It is possible that scalar, and or dielectric wave propagation change the local permittivity of the environment through its deformation of local space. This would cause small shifts in capacity, which can lead to parametric excitation of the oscillatory circuit. In this case the impinging frequency of the waves in question need to be roughly 2x the fundamental freq of the detecting oscillator.

I have never tried either of these methods, so cannot vouch any of it, but its a start!

[Loki67671]

@All,
I'm lining up the signal gen...........it's all I'm missing.......Tomorrow IT COMES HOME with me.................

This is going to be too freaking cool!

Stay away from soda bottles of hydrogen...they are BAD for you!



Regards,
Jim

[Inquorate]

Scalar waves etc

I've tried to detect scalar waves based on magnetic component, as proposed by bearden.

Not too much luck

YouTube - I have found evidence of scalar waves around the SEC Exciter

YouTube - scalar wave detector progress update - lab notes

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-detector.html

I'd be looking at some way to detect the distortion in dielectric space though.

And I'd be investigating the difference in detection when the sec is in the mode that burns and bites with RF, as opposed to when it doesn't.

@shamus - I have half tophats because ren's source ran out of condiment cups. I've found that it affects transmitting to a second tower, I cannot get as much wireless transfer of power between towers as other people have done. Also, I've had to make L2 much larger.

@ren - any word on the condiment cups?

[Inquorate]

Scalar sparks

I found that it was especially difficult to shield any kind of detector from a (piezo) spark discharge.

It wasn't until much later that I wondered if the (piezo) spark had a high scalar component.

So use a different RF (no spark) source to create the correct Faraday cage type shielding.

Love and light

[Inquorate]

Output doubling circuit

I keep getting (2) requests for a link to the output doubling circuit by Dr Stiffler that I used in one of my videos

It's here;

Spatial Energy x

on page 30 ish

[ren]

@ren - any word on the condiment cups?

Checking tommorow bro

[baroutologos]

Hello there,

If i may enter this thread... I have been searching (as almost all knows by now ) for the past year a way of explicit OU demonstartion and potential usage of it. (even though for some OU is an unfortunate word).

By the way, i was told that experiments conducted by Dr Stiffler based on Tesla technology and more recent researchers as Avramenko, Frolov ect showed an 100% positive more energy out that in.

I would be more that happy if i am to replicate (with some assistance of course) the effect and contribute if i can at all.

Baroutologos

[DrStiffler]

Hello there,

If i may enter this thread... I have been searching (as almost all knows by now ) for the past year a way of explicit OU demonstartion and potential usage of it. (even though for some OU is an unfortunate word).

By the way, i was told that experiments conducted by Dr Stiffler based on Tesla technology and more recent researchers as Avramenko, Frolov ect showed an 100% positive more energy out that in.

I would be more that happy if i am to replicate (with some assistance of course) the effect and contribute if i can at all.

Baroutologos

@baroutologos

By the way, i was told that experiments conducted by Dr Stiffler based on Tesla technology and more recent researchers as Avramenko, Frolov ect showed an 100% positive more energy out that in.

You are given incorrect information. My work has (Nothing) to do with Tesla. My work and circuits are based on "Spatial Energy Coherence" and even though I and many of the replicators may indeed drive coils (loads) similar to Tesla design, the Theory and Circuits have (Nothing) to do (again) with Tesla.

I do not recognize or support the concept of FE and OU, there is no free lunch... We use the term CEC which stands for Cohered Energy Coefficient.

If you will indeed work with the circuits and attempt qualitative measurements of you work and discard you deeply held (Randi view) of alternative technologies and don't mention Tesla again, you could be welcomed, otherwise it will not be a thread you will be happy in.

[amigo]

Doc, et al;

Not to sound as being far out there, but...if you need a "scalar" or LMD wave detector, you don't need to build one.

Everyone is equipped with one and it's really a matter of how far does your mind stretch to allow for endless possibilites.

Granted, you will not be able to immediately get quantitative measurements on your own without some serious training. But, with an addition of let's say a pendulum as a tool, one could start "honing" the sense and at the same time get whatever readings necessary.

The only question is how many of you are willing to leave the hallways of the mechanistic science and dwell outside, in a much larger world?

[theremart]

Can someone point me to the place

I can build the towers that everyone else is building?

I did not know if it was on another board, or burried in one of the messages, but where is the design for the sec towers that have the metal on top?

Thanks in advance!

Mart

[DrStiffler]

I can build the towers that everyone else is building?

I did not know if it was on another board, or burried in one of the messages, but where is the design for the sec towers that have the metal on top?

Thanks in advance!

Mart

Mart;

Check here;

Wireless or One-Wire Energy Transmission Construction Guide

[baroutologos]

Ok i cannot tell that I have not been warned about that
....

So no more Tesla. Cool, let the dead peaple in peace. No more OU talk. As far as the coherent energy coefficient is similar to COP and excess energy is harvested with spatial resonance i am fine with the terminology used and theories deployed.
No problem at all.
.....

As far as the outline concept goes, i have been told an Joule thief circuit excites a trasmiter coil. Via adjustments, tramsiter's coil resonance is made to coincide with receiver coil's maximum resosonance and there we have the distinct phenomenon of SR with wireless energy transfer and if done right good energy harvest?


Baroutologos