High Voltage from Thin Air?

[Tecstatic]

This is the only thread on this entire forum where I have not
felt welcome ... being shooed away by the Doc because I asked
some questions.
I think the guy is brilliant ... and I've been inspired by his work
and have been watching for more than one year ...
but lets face it ... he's a hot head.

I think Eric Dollard Videos explain a lot of what Dr. Stiffler's --
which in my opinion is very Tesla-esk whether the Doc is willing
to admit that or not.

Let us not create a conspiracy theory here that the Doc
disappeared from the public scene -- like so many Free Energy
Gurus -- because some secret organization wants all this
stuff covered up.

As the Doc stated ... he is a capitalist ... and not willing to share
all secrets here ... and he wants his patent.
More power to him. I can't judge his motives and I too don't like beans.

What I admire most in a person, though, is not their brilliance ...
but in their ability to treat others with respect ... and play
nicely.

I guess we all seek mentors ... and hope that they will help
us for free ... and we all sometimes ask too much.
Those who work really really hard can get burned out and snap.
So my advice is to just chill a bit ... and we'll get there.
Humanity will make it!!!

morpher44,

With the number contributing posts here, silence was an option.

Eric

[morpher44]

silence...

morpher44,
With the number contributing posts here, silence was an option.
Eric

Yes ... but it is very hard to get your questions answered ... or
to participate when you are silent.
I learned this right away in college.
I found my grades improved when I asked questions ... got involved ...
contributed. The same is true in the workplace.
So in a public forum .. I encourage everyone to be proactive in their
involvement.
... and skepticism is an important ingredient to good science...
--morpher44

[CosmicFarmer]

Hm. I hope no one thought I was a bad guy - I'm just interested in something along with a few others and had a few questions and opinions. I had no mind to bother anyone, but I have found it is all too easy to get on some people's bad side even if you try to help them. Granted he did not use my help...

And I doubt that one "bad apple" is responsible for his disappearance after 50+ pages of insight. Maybe he thought he was done and had patented enough and now discussion on public forums is turning risky because someone might want to work on patented things. I like what Bedini has done on this subject, namely creating a self supporting replication group. Thats about what you need to do if you are truly trying to wash your hands of "US" the random public.

And I am not socialistic. I am not asking anyone for money. I just wish money would be abandoned all together, but that wont happen anytime soon, so I play along like a good sport. I was refering to ideas, not money. Don't let the ideas dry up.

Anyway if I am seriously not welcomed in this thread I should be the one to leave and not Dr.Stiffler. If I do leave the thread I will make another one about non spec. replications, because I still feel that this technology is key and needs more effort in the R+D in everything that it can do.

I just want to help :-/
This circuit is a tinkerer's dream.

[Inquorate]

Carrier wave

A few observations with questions intermingled.

1) From what I have gathered from a few of the presentations given by Dr. Stiffler, that there are a few frequencies that seem to cause the wireless / coherence effect better than others meaning the coils must be tuned to these frequencies. This is a bit backwards from the engineering I have done in this field where the coils are built, and the frequency is chosen to match. I gathered this because there was an allusion to several frequencies "poping" up more than others when all data was documented. If this is the case, it is possible the inverse square law is not strictly observed for several reasons. One could be the SEC exciter is taking advantage of an existing disturbance and utilizing it as a carrier wave. Therefore the exciter and the existing disturbance would need a harmonic relation. I wonder, have you noticed any existing harmonic of the frequency used in your towers existing when they are off? I doubt you have or this would have been discussed, I very much doubt the above explanation, but worth an ask.

If this is not the case, I wonder if there is a version of Nuclear magnetic resonance within the atmosphere around the exciters, or a harmonic thereof. Such an event would cause the space around the exciter to act as a "room full of matched tuning forks" which would be a similar effect to the mass repeaters shown in several videos. Such an example with tuning forks is a conundrum to the established views on energy conservation when a full analysis is done. This could explain an increase in entropy and a deviation from the inverse squared laws.

2) I found it rather interesting that there can and almost must be physical arrangement between the coils where they are perpendicular to each other. If one were to think of the Exciter as a point source, any action perpendicular to it would geometrically be radiating straight out from it. By this logic with an inverse square function coming into play, it can be seen that a coil placed perpendicular to the point source will experience one potential at one end, and another potential at its further end. This in and of itself is an energy gradient which alters with time at the frequency of the source. This is rather interesting because it creates a disconnect situation, where a current generated at the receiver will be out of phase with the transmitter, big possibilities here.

Reality of the situation is though, that the source has orientation and no point source is perfect. (fuzzy hairy ball theorem) Because of this TWO axis can be chosen which are perpendicular to the source, and in the videos by the good Dr. Only one is chosen for the demmo. I would be very interested to see the other perpendicular orientation tested.

Another possibility is the orientation of the receiver within the field being propagated from the source. Being that the receivers are well within the near field (a 1/4 wave wavelength for 10mhz is around 24.6 feet) I don't think that the receivers are straddling any physical nodal or peak points from the propagation field itself, so I have ruled this out.

Just some food for thought, thanks again to all involved, this is one of the few threads I enjoy frequenting.

I have in the past hooked up a tower to avramenko plug to scope; it does resonate, albeit in millivolt scale.

So there may be a carrier wave frequency

[Inquorate]

We've got enough to work on ppl

Ain't over till the fat lady sings.

[samedsoft]

Any body got this

YouTube - Wireless and some odd features of the Exciter and Receiver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibDHUD3T8NA

and

YouTube - A Variation on the Wireless Power Transmission with Towers and Coils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0imiI76YNY


Please PM.

[jonnydavro]

Hi .I was thinking about how the SEC works and the fact that it is an oscillator and the other oscillator i am interested in is the joule thief so i wondered if you could combine the strong points of the joule thief with the sec circuit and you can and it works really well for a first prototype.
This is what i did.I took a ferrite torroid 37mm od, 25mm id and wound two 10 turn coils onto the torroid bifilar.One as the L1 coil and one as a secondary(S1).I then wound another secondary coil wIth 35 turns(S2).The wire was 22awg solid core bell wire.These values and positions were guess work and ideally you would want the L1 coil to be around 10uh and maybe seperate and from my experimentation the secondary coils want to have an equal amount of turns and maybe be around 22uh as they are acting like the L2 coils but i dont have an LC meter to do this yet infact the L2 22uh choke can be removed from this circuit for the above reason.This setup will light a great deal more LEDS than i show in the vid but i have no more space for them so allow for this if you try this,i just used the unused secondary and sec output to excite some trays.Also i think you could add a lot more secondary coils on the torroid to increase output,maybe the joule thief guru's on this forum may have some ideas on this.Slayer?
In the vid i light a neon from S2 from the backend of the led strings and both side's of the neon light where as i was only lighting one side from the normal 15-3 setup.I also wound 5 turns of magwire around the standard 22uh choke and that gives an output so that may be worth looking into as well.Anyway,here is a vid and a pic of the circuit.Regards jonny.
Imageshack - torroidsec1 - Uploaded by jonnydavro
YouTube - SEC exciter.Torroid hybrid.

[CosmicFarmer]

I would like to publicly apologize to the members of energetic forum for scaring Dr.Stiffler away. I did not know how delicate some things were. I however can not blame myself for his actions (admin remove account and private videos!), but if others think I was out of line this is my apology. Thank you for what you have done and we will miss what you have in store. I am sorry for interrupting your topic


That being said.... I know Dr Stiffler has more information on necessities such as anomalous heat generation in SEC driven toroids, along with the "condensation" of ambient water through specific spark gaps and frequencies, not just funny shaped bubbles. These were on his site at one time and are now gone. There should be a constant nagging at the back of everyones head, to help people get through these next couple of years. Usually people cant feel this nagging, unless they see it first hand... Then it takes over your life.


I knew I was working on patented material when I replicated the Bedini wheels. Somehow I was still able to get information and support. I later joined the groups and started helping others when I could. I would like to be in that position for the SEC, helping others, but first I would like to nail it down for myself, and that takes a few questions, which are hard to get answered. Like battery charging.



In answer to my question "How did he have the ESEC set up", Dr Stiffler had the capacitor hooked to a ground, through AV plug, and the case of the cap was being excited, with a copper wrap and then just direct hook up to the cap's exterior later. So what I have been working on has been 2 grounds, 4 bridge rectifiers and 4 super 650 f supercaps which charge to .6 volts in about 5 or so hours. I also have a SEC exciting some copper wrapped around the caps, powered from a 12 v solar panel. SEC turbo. I might make it a 6 volt solar panel with more amps later, and I still need to make the ladder filter, because I think that is the key with low amp draw for SEC. The idea is in the sun, the caps will be excited and cohere much faster, however the power station will still gather power at night. It could work off of one ground and that would be how Dr. Stiffler had it set up in his vid, but with 2 grounds I am hoping to gather the difference too. All that is left to do is devise a switch to connect the caps in series when they are .5v or higher, and hook up to a JT. 2.4 volts at some hundred farads will be decent power for JT.

So I was thinking about using a diode's breakover voltage to put a signal to base of power transistor that connects each cap together, or I can try to find one of those settable voltage switches that the Dr. had. That might be what I need more then more diodes...


Allright guys, sorry I scared him away, things are still looking up, Talk to you later.

[CaptainScat]

I'm done "Dudes".

All vids will be private and I don't give a big one what the lurkers want to say and come all. It only takes one bad apple int he box and I have tried to cull far to many.

So free loaders have at it, I will be asking admin to remove my account so I can not post regardless of the **** that someone may post.

Good luck....................

sorry to hear this doc. that really sucks for all those that bought your SEC's and were hoping for some guidance. i was just getting ready to show my own 'vicious circle' with light, heat and electricity provided by the SEC. i guess like you, i'll keep it to myself.

[fusionchip]

@fusionchip

Can't follow you poor syntax but think your trying to say you have a patent app?

If that is the case, what is the application number? It is a crime in most countries to say you have a patent application when you do not.

Hello Doctor. It’s a one year Provisional patent and My Patent number is not disclosed in open Forum without proper Disclosure Contracts. Thank You. I do admire your Work. Are you an Armature radio operator . If so what’s you call sign. I have been one for over 30 years . You are aware that all devices Must pass FCC part 15 In the Unlicensed Rf Devices and Part 18 which Deal with Scientific devices Correct ?And Further more Sir . Anyone can obtain a provisional patent even if the Idea is not his or doesn’t work for only 110.00 us . My devices are not yours or anyone else’s as a real patent search must be done before hand . And Excuse the typing Ie"poor syntax" as I had a stroke three years ago and am a college grad but have a few quirks .

My only reason is the terminology you claim comes very close but not exact . Also For anyone else e. if you invented something and changed some parts around and use a slightly different layout you won't infringe on a patent if that wasn’t part of the original one and you have a Lawyer do a patent search for you . I plan to share my stuff with the world . The ones that don't solder and don’t care about how it works . The Grand mom and granddad . The ones who are in poor countries with no electricity and no light . The best way is to have a patent and then marketing company and then negotiations with Manufactures . I am In Negotiations right now with Israel to manufacture and sell Worldwide to anyone .
FusionChip

[CosmicFarmer]

Dear Dr. Stiffler...



.5 v drop in 24 hours. Lifetime of 4 AA's estimated at 3 to 4 days.
.72 drop in 62 hours
heart shaped pattern.

There needs to be more peace.

[Armagdn03]

I think something very fundamental needs to be understood here.

A patent simply protects an inventor from other people CAPITALIZING (making money) off of the inventors ideas. It does not prevent individuals from replicating the patent for personal use. Why would anyone argue with a person wanting to protect their hard work from someone walking along, calling it their idea, and making millions off of it.

Are peoples goals here to have personal independence....or to make money off of others hard work???

*edited out*

- Andrew -

[morpher44]

from thin air...

This is a unique thread. To post in it, one needs to bring themselves up to the level of knowledge in the thread, and learn to answer questions by themselves, exhausting all options before questions are asked otherwise the same issues are re-hashed over and over, while someone has to take time to re post over and over.
I realize that it is good to participate....but only if somehow you are adding to the general knowledge of the discussion. Questions generally do not add, unless there is nowhere else to get the answer and it is fundamentally important for all to know the answer. People can learn immense amounts of information by leading the charge themselves and self teaching.
It would be nice to have a nice tidy forum where all posts are relevant and add to the next, keeping as much fluff out as possible.
- Andrew -

@Armagdn03
I would like to express a different point of view.

When I create a thread on this forum ... I personally don't think
that I OWN that thread ... or that I have the right to boot
people from the thread just because I don't like their opinion --
or feel that they are below me or ignorant of my experiments.
I think most participants are here because they want to learn,
are truly interested and they may ask the same questions --
that is a given. Sometimes a re-hash -- done with the latest
knowledge -- is extremely valuable.
Asking a question -- and having those willing answer it --
is contributing. Sometimes "questions" are new insights
leading to ideas about experiments to performs or mistakes made, etc.
They can expose circular thinking ... in correct assumptions ...
or more details for the audience to investigate.
So I would HATE to see a sort of censorship were people are
too intimated to ask a question for fear of ridicule.
If that sort of mind set started to happen on this forum,
I would abandon this forum for a safer -- friendlier one.

As for contributing to this thread. I personally replicated the SEC
and attempted to answer a question -- posed by another
member -- as to whether the SEC would work with another
transistor. I found the answer was YES ... and this seemed
to ANGER Dr. Stiffler. His oscillator is not unlike the Armstrong
oscillator .. and it stands to reason that many different oscillator
circuits ... with many different varieties of components could
be shown to do a similar behavior to the SEC.
I suspect that any regenerative oscillator will be shown to do
a similar thing.
Those playing with the Joule Thief are pushing the envelope
along these lines.

So if the goal here is high voltage from thin air ...
it seems doable to achieve this in many different ways ...
with many different circuits ....
If you come up with a brand new oscillator circuit that no
one has dreamed of before ... great. But ask yourself
WHY it oscillates? ... and ask yourself which components
are causing the spacial coherence.
Is it the transistor? The inductors? The LEDs?

My money is on the inductors.

If this is not about "high voltage from thin air" ...
but is rather a Stiffler cult, then I would rather not
be in a cult ... thank you very much.

[fusionchip]

@Armagdn03
I would like to express a different point of view.

When I create a thread on this forum ... I personally don't think
that I OWN that thread ... or that I have the right to boot
people from the thread just because I don't like their opinion --
or feel that they are below me or ignorant of my experiments.
I think most participants are here because they want to learn,
are truly interested and they may ask the same questions --
that is a given. Sometimes a re-hash -- done with the latest
knowledge -- is extremely valuable.
Asking a question -- and having those willing answer it --
is contributing. Sometimes "questions" are new insights
leading to ideas about experiments to performs or mistakes made, etc.
They can expose circular thinking ... in correct assumptions ...
or more details for the audience to investigate.
So I would HATE to see a sort of censorship were people are
too intimated to ask a question for fear of ridicule.
If that sort of mind set started to happen on this forum,
I would abandon this forum for a safer -- friendlier one.

As for contributing to this thread. I personally replicated the SEC
and attempted to answer a question -- posed by another
member -- as to whether the SEC would work with another
transistor. I found the answer was YES ... and this seemed
to ANGER Dr. Stiffler. His oscillator is not unlike the Armstrong
oscillator .. and it stands to reason that many different oscillator
circuits ... with many different varieties of components could
be shown to do a similar behavior to the SEC.
I suspect that any regenerative oscillator will be shown to do
a similar thing.
Those playing with the Joule Thief are pushing the envelope
along these lines.

So if the goal here is high voltage from thin air ...
it seems doable to achieve this in many different ways ...
with many different circuits ....
If you come up with a brand new oscillator circuit that no
one has dreamed of before ... great. But ask yourself
WHY it oscillates? ... and ask yourself which components
are causing the spacial coherence.
Is it the transistor? The inductors? The LEDs?

My money is on the inductors.

If this is not about "high voltage from thin air" ...
but is rather a Stiffler cult, then I would rather not
be in a cult ... thank you very much.

I have to agree . the Sec is cool little Oscillator / Rf amplifier . The Joule Thief is In the same lines and i have personally obtained over 1700 volts and lit 100's of led from just one little aaa battery ? The Doctor has to get a Grip on his anger tantrums . Makes him look like a Child throwing a temper tantrum over NOTHING ! Words .IF he want respect then he must show respect and have integrity knowing that some questions will be asked and as there are over 6769540000 people in the world each with there own mind and heart and ambitions . And excuse me also i just saw his post claiming all that Light terminology for products and posted My Patented device names . A patent is a good idea and not disclosing some of the workings is good practice . Most people in the world don't know about electronics or even how to solder . marketing a patented product allows ALL human kind to access it all at once . My 2 cents and again Sorry for being a bit out of topic .
Love and Peace and Faith

fusionchip

[amigo]

This is in Russian, but you should be able to figure it out. Otherwise, no comment...

Vladimir Brovin:

YouTube - Brovin kacher 1/3

YouTube - Brovin kacher 2 /3

YouTube - Brovin kacher 3 /3


Some kind of a news/tv show clip on the inventor:

YouTube - vladimir brovin