High Voltage from Thin Air?

[plengo]

Selfrunner V3

Don't shoot me please, but I think I have a self-runner.

Very important to note the ground (real ground) connection to the L3 coil ( that point where L3 comes from the SEC 18).

Also notice that nothing is connected to the positive terminal of the SEC 18 board.

Voltage on the battery from resting point ONLY goes up as soon as it is connected. Usually it goes down first and than up, but this time is goes straight up from the start

All LEDs are faintly lit but I assume as the voltage of the battery goes up they will get better too. I also was able to run it in that mode with 3 LEDs and that way they are much more lit.

Black cable connected with the Yellow on the right is the ground cable.

Fausto.

[slayer007]

Don't shoot me please, but I think I have a self-runner.

Very important to note the ground (real ground) connection to the L3 coil ( that point where L3 comes from the SEC 18).

Also notice that nothing is connected to the positive terminal of the SEC 18 board.

Voltage on the battery from resting point ONLY goes up as soon as it is connected. Usually it goes down first and than up, but this time is goes straight up from the start

All LEDs are faintly lit but I assume as the voltage of the battery goes up they will get better too. I also was able to run it in that mode with 3 LEDs and that way they are much more lit.

Black cable connected with the Yellow on the right is the ground cable.

Fausto.

Sorry Plengo but the way you have it wired your just by passing the L2 coil.

Making L3 a combination coil.It's also doing the job the L2 coil was doing and also L3's job.

I did the same think with my 15 when I was trying to charge a battery.
I had a bad diode letting the current go back thru L3.

So when I disconected the positive source it looked like it was still running by it's self.
I had the two negatives connected togeather from the source and charge.

You should be able to use a meter and still see a current draw.


Sorry..I do plan on using your other circuit later today it looks very promising.

[slayer007]

After 13 hours of running and then an hour rest time.
The charge battey went from 11.65 to 11.89.
The run battery went from 12.30 to 12.29.

I also put some AL tape around the charge battery with another AV plug.
I don't have another big battery to charge but I wounder how many you could.

[plengo]

Sorry Plengo but the way you have it wired your just by passing the L2 coil.

Making L3 a combination coil.It's also doing the job the L2 coil was doing and also L3's job.

I did the same think with my 15 when I was trying to charge a battery.
I had a bad diode letting the current go back thru L3.

So when I disconected the positive source it looked like it was still running by it's self.
I had the two negatives connected togeather from the source and charge.

You should be able to use a meter and still see a current draw.


Sorry..I do plan on using your other circuit later today it looks very promising.

Hey Slayer007,

I am glad you have done it before. I let it run the whole night and the battery went from 11.62 to 11.65. So, I dont know what is that it is wrong, all I know is that it is working!


I let it run today too. So when I come back home I will know for sure if it is still running good.

Very important to have the ground connection and make sure that the SEC is not running to its maximum output.

Fausto.

[slayer007]

Hey Slayer007,

I am glad you have done it before. I let it run the whole night and the battery went from 11.62 to 11.65. So, I dont know what is that it is wrong, all I know is that it is working!


I let it run today too. So when I come back home I will know for sure if it is still running good.

Very important to have the ground connection and make sure that the SEC is not running to its maximum output.

Fausto.

Plengo I wish you the best.

When I tried it I didn't have an earth ground so maybe your getting a little from that.

I'm trying your other circuit right now it's been running for around an hour.
It seems to be charging very well.
The charge battery is up to 12.03 from 11.89 after an hour.

I'll let it run half the day and check the voltage on the run and charge after it rest an hour.

[samedsoft]

Don't shoot me please, but I think I have a self-runner.

Very important to note the ground (real ground) connection to the L3 coil ( that point where L3 comes from the SEC 18).

Also notice that nothing is connected to the positive terminal of the SEC 18 board.

Voltage on the battery from resting point ONLY goes up as soon as it is connected. Usually it goes down first and than up, but this time is goes straight up from the start

All LEDs are faintly lit but I assume as the voltage of the battery goes up they will get better too. I also was able to run it in that mode with 3 LEDs and that way they are much more lit.

Black cable connected with the Yellow on the right is the ground cable.

Fausto.

All,

I think we can get rid of ground too? Using a mass of copper ?

[plengo]

Plengo I wish you the best.

When I tried it I didn't have an earth ground so maybe your getting a little from that.

I'm trying your other circuit right now it's been running for around an hour.
It seems to be charging very well.
The charge battery is up to 12.03 from 11.89 after an hour.

I'll let it run half the day and check the voltage on the run and charge after it rest an hour.

Slayer007,

I just checked the schematic of SEC 18 and you're right it is bypassing L2 but I also tried it without the ground and WILL NOT WORK as you said.

Ground IS ESSENTIAL. That is what makes the magic, please try it.

Fausto.

[DrStiffler]

Slayer007,

I just checked the schematic of SEC 18 and you're right it is bypassing L2 but I also tried it without the ground and WILL NOT WORK as you said.

Ground IS ESSENTIAL. That is what makes the magic, please try it.

Fausto.

@slayer & plengo

Fausto's circuit arrangement is not bypassing L2 unless he has included a capacitor in series with L3 from the collector of Q1. The circuit show a direct current path from the source battery through L3 to the Q1 collector and up through L2 to complete an oscillation path via the bypass capacitors. Q1 obtains a forward start bias as usual via voltage coming back through L2.

I have the circuit running now and the first thing I found was that a small current will pass from source battery to charging battery without oscillation if the source battery is at a higher voltage than the charging battery. This is for the most part leakage as the Vf of the diodes and LED must be overcome for any meaningful current.

The circuit oscillated just fine as Plengo has it shown and I do think the ground is helping. The circuit is not bogus and is doing something, not sure on my end how much yet, but if the source goes up I would suggest running for 24-48 hours and them we would all know.

[plengo]

@slayer & plengo

Fausto's circuit arrangement is not bypassing L2 unless he has included a capacitor in series with L3 from the collector of Q1. The circuit show a direct current path from the source battery through L3 to the Q1 collector and up through L2 to complete an oscillation path via the bypass capacitors. Q1 obtains a forward start bias as usual via voltage coming back through L2.

I have the circuit running now and the first thing I found was that a small current will pass from source battery to charging battery without oscillation if the source battery is at a higher voltage than the charging battery. This is for the most part leakage as the Vf of the diodes and LED must be overcome for any meaningful current.

The circuit oscillated just fine as Plengo has it shown and I do think the ground is helping. The circuit is not bogus and is doing something, not sure on my end how much yet, but if the source goes up I would suggest running for 24-48 hours and them we would all know.

Good to hear from you Dr. Stiffler.

I think we are mixing things here. The first circuit I showed above using a driving and charging battery and the strip of aluminum outside the charging battery is good and it will charge the baby pretty fast and using very little to almost none from the driving battery (I think this is the one you just analyzed),

BUT,

I have a new circuit right below it using only ONE battery which has been self-runner for one day, one night and today. That is the one I think it is bypassing L2.

I just check the voltage of the only driving battery and it is going up still. It is now at 12.6512 (I have a 6 digits meter). That one I will let it run for days if necessary to prove this possibility. That is the one using the ground.

Fausto.

[DrStiffler]

Good to hear from you Dr. Stiffler.

I think we are mixing things here. The first circuit I showed above using a driving and charging battery and the strip of aluminum outside the charging battery is good and it will charge the baby pretty fast and using very little to almost none from the driving battery (I think this is the one you just analyzed),

BUT,

I have a new circuit right below it using only ONE battery which has been self-runner for one day, one night and today. That is the one I think it is bypassing L2.

I just check the voltage of the only driving battery and it is going up still. It is now at 12.6512 (I have a 6 digits meter). That one I will let it run for days if necessary to prove this possibility. That is the one using the ground.

Fausto.

@Fausto

So the circuit diagram I have included is not the circuit of which you speak?

[plengo]

@Fausto

So the circuit diagram I have included is not the circuit of which you speak?

Yes that's the one (SEC 18 - I also uploaded a picture from your site just to make sure we are talking about the same circuit).

So you are correct in saying it is NOT bypassing L2 at all (I looked at an old schematic from yours). Now looking at the board picture and your schematic it makes more sense. What I dont understand is how can the battery charge while running the LEDs?

Also I forgot to mention that the number of LEDs is important. More than 5 did not work, 3 seams to be the best. I also tried the same using three 9 volt batteries and that forced me to use 7 LEDs so that the same effect could be seen.



Fausto.


ps: I have been editing this message a few times and only realizing my mistakes. So for those who read it read it again just in case.

[slayer007]

Yes that's the one (SEC 18 - I also uploaded a picture from your site just to make sure we are talking about the same circuit).

Fausto.

Sorry Fausto the SEC 18 I was using has no filter at all.

Thats why I thought you were just switching the coils around.

I'll put the filter back on mine today and try it.

Sorry about the mix up.

[DrStiffler]

Yes that's the one or almost since my board does not have (SEC 18 - I also uploaded a picture from your site just to make sure we are talking about the same circuit).

So you are correct in saying it is NOT bypassing L2 at all (I looked at an old schematic from yours). Now looking at the board picture and your schematic it makes more sense. What I dont understand is how can the battery charge while running the LEDs?

Also I forgot to mention that the number of LEDs is important. More than 5 did not work, 3 seams to be the best. I also tried the same using three 9 volt batteries and that forced me to use 7 LEDs so that the same effect could be seen.


Fausto.

@plengo
Yes the diode and LED count is important, I think a slight modification of the NILS formula may work to calculate for each different battery.

I had a brain infarction and spoke out of turn when I mentioned the two batteries, I was looking at what I have running beside yours and talked in part about a two battery system, that is where the confusion came in.

Well I have been presented a theory by a very competent physicist on how your question may be answered, although I do not have his permission to use his name or repeat what he informed me of, yet let me say that it is possible. Not to say this is what is happening. The SEC Theory would most likely construct a direct coherence from the battery itself.

Looking forward to you further results and if mine proves interesting I will offer a video.

[samedsoft]

Dear Doctor,Plengo,

Can you show the output of oscillator on oscilloscope?

Is it pure square wave?

If yes what is the duty cycle and frequency ?

Can we use IRFZ44N HexFet in this purpose?

EDN PDF

Thanks..

[plengo]

Dear Doctor,Plengo,

Can you show the output of oscillator on oscilloscope?

Is it pure square wave?

If yes what is the duty cycle and frequency ?

Can we use IRFZ44N HexFet in this purpose?

EDN PDF

Thanks..

I positioned my oscilloscope probe at the proximity of the L3 coil so that it will not disturb the experiment, otherwise it will KILL the effect.

It looks a lot like a sine wave in drugs . I will try to take a picture tonight. I use it to tune SEC 18 via its variable capacitor by simply looking at the amplitude of the signal. Also intuition (better word for lack of knowledge) tells me to expect the craziest sine wave I can get.

Just a way to help others, my goal was trying to remove the charge battery since I was already having a negative current going back to the driving battery (see my first schematic with 2 batteries above) but still driving the battery down in voltage, although very little with time.

So I thought, how can I eliminate the charging battery making it the driving battery? So looking at the schematics it does not make much sense but playing like a "monkey" sometimes works. Since I have a 6 digits meter I can see instantaneously the result of the "charging/discharging" pretty fast and change things as I go along. Also I got the impression that when Dr.Stiffler is using LEDs to "make SEC not see the target" I thought about using that same trick but back to the original source.

Now, ground WAS the only thing that could make it happen and also it only worked at that location. Any other location KILLs the effect too.


Fausto.