High Voltage from Thin Air?

[Mutten]

@Freezer, Some nice ideas you have there. I like that setup. I'll have to try it later.

@All, Spent the last couple days planning and putting together a SEC15-3 on a circuit board.

I never got to order one of the orignal PCBs Dr Stiffler was putting together, so I'm trying my best to get away with something simple.

Board is completely socketed for the most part except for the filter. Used a 555 socket for the output after L2, only the bottom half of it is used as a bus bar. other half I haven't decided what to do with it yet, thinking about 2 sockets to ground and 2 to earth ground.Also installed a couple sockets so I could place a diode from + to L1 if needed. Right now its bypassed.

Using Batteries to drive this at the moment, but I'll be picking up a bench power supply eventually and wanted to make this future proof and easy to swap parts. Please forgive my novice attempt at soldering~


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3024.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3022-1.jpg

Still in tuning stage but I am getting closer.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3023.jpg

Waveform I get when looped back probe is close to the FL.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3020.jpg

[DrStiffler]

@Freezer, Some nice ideas you have there. I like that setup. I'll have to try it later.

@All, Spent the last couple days planning and putting together a SEC15-3 on a circuit board.

I never got to order one of the orignal PCBs Dr Stiffler was putting together, so I'm trying my best to get away with something simple.

Board is completely socketed for the most part except for the filter. Used a 555 socket for the output after L2, only the bottom half of it is used as a bus bar. other half I haven't decided what to do with it yet, thinking about 2 sockets to ground and 2 to earth ground.Also installed a couple sockets so I could place a diode from + to L1 if needed. Right now its bypassed.

Using Batteries to drive this at the moment, but I'll be picking up a bench power supply eventually and wanted to make this future proof and easy to swap parts. Please forgive my novice attempt at soldering~


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3024.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3022-1.jpg

Still in tuning stage but I am getting closer.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3023.jpg

Waveform I get when looped back probe is close to the FL.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3020.jpg

@Mutten

Hey don't feel bad, should have seem some of the very first Exciters, wonder I got anything to work with the plug boards and long wires. Looks good!

But, what are you doing with the 6x diodes on the power rails, looks like three per side? You know you are dropping ~2.1V thru three of them and the total would be~4.2. Maybe you have a reason?

Dr.S.

[DrStiffler]

DrStiffler,
Do you think your Spatial energy somehow related to this patent US20080191580?

@Mike

Don't know, seems like Google Patent Search finds nothing for this number?

Dr.S.

[DrStiffler]

I didn't exactly replicate the s gate, but did get the neon to light up. I used 2 earth grounds, copper and galvanized pipe. This could work down to 18v, but the neon has to be touched for it to light up. It also works with just 1 ground hooked to the aircore inductor, only less bright.

@Freezer

I love the setup. Do you have metal supports under the wood bench or is it all wood. Very good distance and do the bulbs just all of a sudden go out when you reach he edge or can you move away and they start a dimming cycle?

Dr.S.

[Mutten]

@Mutten

Hey don't feel bad, should have seem some of the very first Exciters, wonder I got anything to work with the plug boards and long wires. Looks good!

But, what are you doing with the 6x diodes on the power rails, looks like three per side? You know you are dropping ~2.1V thru three of them and the total would be~4.2. Maybe you have a reason?

Dr.S.

Yeah kinda overkill with the diodes but I was having problems at 24v dc with 2 12v SLA batteries. Transistors were going up in smoke while trying to tune. 20v seems to be safer so I figured I'd just build it in to the filter. Also wanted to protect from any spikes I might get later when I have a bench PSU.

Was partially going from memory when putting it together. I think I interpreted some of your pictures wrong, and looking at the diagrams it should have been chokes.

Oh well its all a learning experience.

[mlurye]

@Mike

Don't know, seems like Google Patent Search finds nothing for this number?

Dr.S.

Sorry. Here it is.

[lighty]

Sorry. Here it is.

That's very interesting stuff. Thx!

[Mutten]

just some more action shots, been playing around tuning.

Setup as a normal SEC15. AV plug neon etc.

Second neon only has 1 leg connected and its fully engulfed, AV plug neon only lit on one element.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3027.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3026.jpg

Scope shot of probe near L2 almost a nice smooth sine wave.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3028.jpg

[amigo]

Do you have metal supports under the wood bench or is it all wood.

Dr.S.

Hmm, my table has metal supports under the surface - it's a generic banquet table from the Staples/Office Depot.

Funny thing is both of my compasses always acted strange on the table and never pointed in the proper directions, as if the table was some kind of a mini Bermuda Triangle area.

If my table has been interfering with the SEC operation all this time I will go bonkers...

[amigo]

Grrrrrr...

Earlier this afternoon I went to troubleshoot my gate. I plug it in and after a bit of tuning it just started to work. @#$%!^&*

And it worked with both MPSA and PZTA transistors. Heck a breadboarded version is working and it even appears better than the floating-in-the-air one mounted directly onto the gate.

BLAH!

I guess whoever was jamming my experiment stopped and went to cause evil elsewhere, I have no other explanation as I did not change anything in my setup.

[darkwizard]

witricity?

[Mutten]

Played around with large L2s and charging batteries last night and today. No reason other than those nicely wound coils look so pretty~

Rectifier made from 1n4001's

No results were recorded other than from memory, just wanted to see if it would do it.

First L2 measures in at 114uH.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3033.jpg

Scope shot
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3036.jpg

Held 5.80 volts on the charging battery overnight. Batteries started at 4.92 and hit a wall around 5.27 and wouldn't go any higher. Drawing around 30 mA.

Switched to larger core today, measures in at 162 uH. Discharged the batteries on my LaCross battery charger back down to 4.92 and started again. Started off at 6.05v on the charge batteries and slowly dropped back down to 5.80 +/-2. Batteries hit a wall around 5.31v and wouldn't go any further. Also using more than twice the power at 77 mA.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3042.jpg

Scope shot seems more spiky.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3037.jpg

L1 was a measly 1.5uh and L3 adjustable around 4uH (guesstimate)


Like Freezer said, I'm probably working in the wrong direction.

(also tried that pseudo Tesla coil setup with similar results)

[Mutten]

Oh yeah, forgot to add the light show.


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3046.jpg

More lights, less amp draw?

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3047-1.jpg

In the dark.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3045.jpg

[amigo]

Oh yeah, forgot to add the light show.


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3046.jpg

More lights, less amp draw?

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3047-1.jpg

In the dark.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3045.jpg

Is that over 100mA? Because you will fry your transistor at that rate...but never the less it looks impressive.

Otherwise, I think we should really stick with original replication at this point before going off on tangents. Just wondering where's doc, hasn't posted here in a while...

[DrStiffler]

Is that over 100mA? Because you will fry your transistor at that rate...but never the less it looks impressive.

Otherwise, I think we should really stick with original replication at this point before going off on tangents. Just wondering where's doc, hasn't posted here in a while...

@All
Well I'm back today, fringe science had to wait to a higher calling, my wife had me lay laminate flooring in the formal dinning room. Long hard project, pull old carped and pad, float concrete floor, sand and paint base board, install under layment, install laminate, install quarter round molding, install T molding and at last die. Fingers were hit and pinched so many times I can barely turn test equipment knobs.

It will be another day or two before I get back into the swing of things and continue this area of the work, need some slow easy body recovery.

Dr.S.