High Voltage from Thin Air?

[DrStiffler]

Played around with large L2s and charging batteries last night and today. No reason other than those nicely wound coils look so pretty~

Rectifier made from 1n4001's

No results were recorded other than from memory, just wanted to see if it would do it.

First L2 measures in at 114uH.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3033.jpg

Scope shot
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3036.jpg

Held 5.80 volts on the charging battery overnight. Batteries started at 4.92 and hit a wall around 5.27 and wouldn't go any higher. Drawing around 30 mA.

Switched to larger core today, measures in at 162 uH. Discharged the batteries on my LaCross battery charger back down to 4.92 and started again. Started off at 6.05v on the charge batteries and slowly dropped back down to 5.80 +/-2. Batteries hit a wall around 5.31v and wouldn't go any further. Also using more than twice the power at 77 mA.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3042.jpg

Scope shot seems more spiky.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3037.jpg

L1 was a measly 1.5uh and L3 adjustable around 4uH (guesstimate)


Like Freezer said, I'm probably working in the wrong direction.

(also tried that pseudo Tesla coil setup with similar results)

@Mutten & All

I don' think there is a wrong direction! The more one can learn from these circuit configurations the better for all, although if we start getting to far into Tesla I might revolt a bit. If you don't know what I mean look at page (1) where I express my look upon Tesla and his work.

The lights are important and allow a feel of the field and how the charge in the tubes react around an Exciter.

Charging batteries I think for the time being is a wrong direction, not that it may not work, but many have spent hundreds of hours here and nothing worth saying yes this is a very real possibility. The different battery compositions all react different, for awhile (many hours) I thought it was the best direction for energy recovery, but I no longer believe this.

The Spatial Light is a highly efficient system that will have many applications and will be a commercial product (someday), yet this is a low energy system and not what I want.

Energy recovery is of primary importance here ans we need to ignore input/output to start with and only focus on pulling useful energy from a configuration, once this is done we then fine tune it and compare input/output.

I welcome input on the Gate versus Wire Coils for the output? I think the Gate may hold more potential, but I may indeed be wrong, so I need some input from those that are working with both so we can set a direction. I do not think pursuit of both at the same time is fruitful?

I will post a picture later today on a Gate driving a strobe, nothing all that new, except its from a gate system and not a wire wound L3.

More as I get back to speed.

Dr.S.

[amigo]

Hi Doc,

Welcome back, quite a handyman you are, especially when the "higher power" sets out a plan for you to work on. Hopefully you just buy a new dining room table and not go fabricating one or we'll lose you for another week or so. :lol:

I am trying to understand the purpose of the gate in the bigger picture, so pardon me for saying this (if I sound like a heretic) but what's the big deal? I mean is the gate really needed, as it appears to me that it just acts as a tuned capacitance?

In the previous step of the project, a beaker with aluminium foil was there instead of the gate. I recall that the beaker and the carbon rod made it look like a Leyden Jar to me at the first glance.

After reading a book this weekend, the author presented a notion in some paragraphs that there is quite a few (more than enough to last for the duration of the human race) of electrons in the ground and in the air, just waiting to be tapped at.

And so we come to the ground connection on the current experiment, as it seems to play a major importance in the bigger picture. But whether it's the ground or the aerial connection it should not matter, since ground is not always available (if you are in the air for example).

Am I thinking in the "right" direction here or is this something beyond the scope of what we are looking for, or altogether non-sense?

[Mutten]

After a week or so of playing around with my plug-in board I put together, I had a good idea of what values I needed to get it going.

I threw together a quick demo board to take to work with me to show some guys there. Left out the filtration on the PSU side since I was running it off a 12v SLA.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3058.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3059.jpg

I was feeling sort of limited by the small tunable coil forms so I put one together out of a Bic pen and a 100uh choke I got from radio shack that I stripped the wire off of just for the ferrite. slides in and out smooth after a little sand paper. Green stuff on the bottom of L2 is just some modelling clay to help it stick to the board.

Just more playing around but I did find something interesting. I must have got the coils oscillating just right cause I could take the ferrite slug completely out of the equation once it was going.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3053.jpg

Even more weird was I connected another choke to the end of the FL attached to nothing and it got brighter. The little neon is connected to ground on one leg.

http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3052.jpg

Running around 13 mA with coil attached to FL. Reads next to nothing with no coil.

http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3051.jpg

I tend to keep the probe near L2 since thats where the magic happens. Feels like L1 and Lb set up the oscillation and its the L2 resonance that gets things going.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3049.jpg

[Bodkins]

High Voltage from Thin Air?

Hi All

Ive been working on this for some time,
I have a sg Imohtep Light with real big gavanised rods Not connected to ground.I could run the lights good, but if i added the rods the amp go down the the lights go up!
I also added a funny diode setup to ground and i filled up caps, It was cool !!!

The thing is tesla had it!!

Harmonic energy exchange device invention

radiant energy collecter.
with Making a free energy Electret
around the sphere!
A very good example of Primary Phyics StressField Tuning2,
with the two stresses,
I call it PPSFT2 for sort!
Look at it like this!
the stress around the metal Electretsphere is HV
The stuff hitting the earth which is a sphere Is HV. You match the two stressfields and they become one
you create the same enviroment in two places at the same freq.
BINGO.
Like when your on the same freq. as someone else, your almost like one voice!
Take Care
B

[amigo]

Mutten,

That's pretty cool, with another coil hooked to the floating end of the FL producing more light. Is that coil the same impedance as the L3?

I am puzzled a bit by that resistor on your board, is that a 1Mohm, because that green ring looks grayish to me, hehe? Though gray would make it a 1Gohm which is rather inconcivable...

I am in the theoretical mode right now, looking into magnetic flux resonance (whatever that is) and waiting for the Doc to come back to us with more stuff...

[Mutten]

Mutten,

That's pretty cool, with another coil hooked to the floating end of the FL producing more light. Is that coil the same impedance as the L3?

I am puzzled a bit by that resistor on your board, is that a 1Mohm, because that green ring looks grayish to me, hehe? Though gray would make it a 1Gohm which is rather inconcivable...

I am in the theoretical mode right now, looking into magnetic flux resonance (whatever that is) and waiting for the Doc to come back to us with more stuff...

The one connected to the FL floating is roughly the same impedance/inductance.

Yeah its a 1Mohm resistor, flash must have washed out the green.


I'm sort of in a holding pattern working with whats been done already. Sgate has me stumped as I can't get it to run at anything less than 40mA to get light like the doc.

[amigo]

I'm sort of in a holding pattern working with whats been done already. Sgate has me stumped as I can't get it to run at anything less than 40mA to get light like the doc.

I think I'm around a 25mA mark but that's as low as it will get and still light the FL up...

[Mutten]

messing around again, wanted to see whats going on with this ballast coil at the end of the FL.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3060-1.jpg

can't see it but it isn't connected to anything. probe just hanging out.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3061.jpg

coil has a nice resonance trace to it on the scope.

Connecting it to earth ground doesn't seem to change anything.

[DrStiffler]

Hi All

Ive been working on this for some time,
I have a sg Imohtep Light with real big gavanised rods Not connected to ground.I could run the lights good, but if i added the rods the amp go down the the lights go up!
I also added a funny diode setup to ground and i filled up caps, It was cool !!!

The thing is tesla had it!!

Harmonic energy exchange device invention

radiant energy collecter.
with Making a free energy Electret
around the sphere!
A very good example of Primary Phyics StressField Tuning2,
with the two stresses,
I call it PPSFT2 for sort!
Look at it like this!
the stress around the metal Electretsphere is HV
The stuff hitting the earth which is a sphere Is HV. You match the two stressfields and they become one
you create the same enviroment in two places at the same freq.
BINGO.
Like when your on the same freq. as someone else, your almost like one voice!
Take Care
B

I guess we should all just stop the pain and agony since 'Telsa' has already done all this. We should just build those systems and move on with our lives instead trying to reinvent the wheel so to speak, yet I have always had problem finding working circuits in this area, I feel it is a lot of conjecture.

[DrStiffler]

messing around again, wanted to see whats going on with this ballast coil at the end of the FL.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3060-1.jpg

can't see it but it isn't connected to anything. probe just hanging out.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3061.jpg

coil has a nice resonance trace to it on the scope.

Connecting it to earth ground doesn't seem to change anything.

Mutten

If you are in the US, send me a PM. I may allow you to check out a battery charger as it looks like you have a good enough SEC. But you must be able to evaluate the actual result and this will require a couple of 8.4V NiMH batteries. The PM would be required because of its NA attachment.

[Mutten]

Mutten

If you are in the US, send me a PM. I may allow you to check out a battery charger as it looks like you have a good enough SEC. But you must be able to evaluate the actual result and this will require a couple of 8.4V NiMH batteries. The PM would be required because of its NA attachment.

Quick drive by, yeah I'm in the US. Wife's got me doing "Home Improvements" today so I'm occupied till later tonight.

[amigo]

Quick drive by, yeah I'm in the US. Wife's got me doing "Home Improvements" today so I'm occupied till later tonight.

Bwahah what's with all these home improvements all of a sudden for everyone, is it a season or something?

[Mutten]

Bwahah what's with all these home improvements all of a sudden for everyone, is it a season or something?

Haha yeah, its springtime in New England and the weather is finally turning nice so stuff needs to get done around the house.

Anyways, things keep getting more weird, I thought my other DMM and Analog meter were broken or not working right with the SEC, but I checked it with a 3rd meter today and I am getting same results.

Normal operation looks like this when I have a neon and FL going.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3067-1.jpg

35mA draw when things are going normal.

Things got a little weird and my meter started running in reverse 2 nights ago. Happened last night too but I thought it was a backspike when I disconnected something.

http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3063.jpg



Just checked again and I replicated whatever I did.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3069-1.jpg

No the meter isn't hooked up backwards.

Tends to float between -1 and -5mA. I'm going to check the batteries in an hour and see what they measure at. Started at 24.7

Its hard to explain how I got it to do that, the FL is just barely touching the leg of the neon that is connected to the SEC output. By barely touching I mean infinitesimally small spark gap is what I am guessing.

[Mutten]

I think its a false alarm. It's only when I'm standing within 2 feet of the SEC that it runs negative. When I back off to about 8 feet things go back to normal, but I can see the amp draw drop as I get closer.

Somehow I'm influencing the field. I'll have to sit next to it for a couple hours to get anything out of it.

[amigo]

But just shows that you are the source of energy or interference. Just like with me last week when it did not want to budge at all. Then I left it for couple of days, came back to it with a clear mind and it just worked on its own.

I think our next step is obivious. We'll make a portable device like this with a larger aerial that will suck the energy from people passing by.