High Voltage from Thin Air?

[DrStiffler]

Well, like I said, I'm still trying to wrap my novice head around this with what I know. I guess I am comparing apples and oranges. Its hard moving from conventional EE thinking when this doesn't fit the bill.

Any and all corrections are welcome.

I've got some questions about reading my oscope. I'm still learning as I go.

So I've got my scope set at 5v/div 1uS/div using a 10x probe.

What I am seeing on the screen is then 50v/div and .1uS or 10uS / div ?

1uS = 1 mhz if I am understanding this correctly.

L1 I get a scope shot that looks like this, with a peak to peak of roughly 130v (if I'm reading this correctly) with a Frequency of 60mhz or 600KHz ? 600khz seems too low so it must be 60mhz but I'm not 100% sure.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3073-1.jpg

Then on L2 (collector to load) my scope looks like this. 300v peak to peak at roughly the same frequency?

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3072-1.jpg

I assume you do not wish to follow the battery charging as I proposed, so I am going to make a post to all that have a Exciter working and some can try.

@All you need to understand batteries and charge and discharge rates for this. I make no claim here, it hold promise, yet needs work. It will charge the indicated battery in less than 20 minutes, but all is not what it seems.

You just may solve a problem here if you look into it. But you must track charge and discharge energy over a controlled period and controlled rates.

[DrStiffler]

Little B Charger

@All

If anyone tries the little battery charger, please; to start with do not take inventors license and start out with other parts or configurations. The White LED at 2.7V~ and the 1N4148's all in combination are here for a specific purpose. You must have a bit of background knowledge on the devil and batteries. Most important do not get to excited by 'Phantom Charge', this has tripped many a person up when working with batteries. Use a NiMH of 8.4V and less than 400mAHrs.

Like I said, it is a start, maybe better than most. It needs a bit of study. I found that during real charge which I have pushed to 10C the battery does not get warm and so far does not seem to be degraded, this is why there may be a ray of hope here.

I am not working on this at the present, it has been on the shelf for months and I do not plan a return in the near future, but I can help out if someone wants to look into it.

[DrStiffler]

SGate Birth

@All

This is an old picture and is from a prototype where the SGate idea was in its formation stages. The load is two Neon's and the gate is the copper bands around the copper pipe. See the intensity of the neon's.

This is just FYI

[mlurye]

I just managed to get 2 Exciters running simultaneously. Placed CFL between (FDS18E35/4) 18W, it glows close to full brightness.

[amigo]

I assume you do not wish to follow the battery charging as I proposed, so I am going to make a post to all that have a Exciter working and some can try.

@All you need to understand batteries and charge and discharge rates for this. I make no claim here, it hold promise, yet needs work. It will charge the indicated battery in less than 20 minutes, but all is not what it seems.

You just may solve a problem here if you look into it. But you must track charge and discharge energy over a controlled period and controlled rates.

@DrStiffler,

Could you please clarify the filter at the top of the schematic because I have not been clear whether that's 0.01 MILI farads or MICRO farads (a typo using m instead of u).

The 0.01 milifarads is kinda high for a non-polar capacitor, no?

Also, when I connect the filter in between the power and the circuit, the current usage goes up by 50-100%. Why would that be happening when it's just ferrite beads and capacitors?

Thanks.

[DrStiffler]

@DrStiffler,

Could you please clarify the filter at the top of the schematic because I have not been clear whether that's 0.01 MILI farads or MICRO farads (a typo using m instead of u).

The 0.01 milifarads is kinda high for a non-polar capacitor, no?

Also, when I connect the filter in between the power and the circuit, the current usage goes up by 50-100%. Why would that be happening when it's just ferrite beads and capacitors?

Thanks.

@amigo
Just hate it when you do this to me, no respect for age? KIDDING....

You are 100% correct, I have never used a milli-farad designation in my life and this is indeed microfarad. I always use the u (without the long tail from symbol font) as micro. Well I can at least assume you are paying attention, you would be amazed how much slips by that is never questioned.

Thanks for pointing this out I will get it changed...

[amigo]

@amigo
Just hate it when you do this to me, no respect for age? KIDDING....

Uh oh....ok here we go, respect.

[DrStiffler]

Uh oh....ok here we go, respect.

@amigo

Thank you.....

Hey because you are so willing to honor the old, help me out on something, I think is might be a Canadian thing.

What does "Spidey senses tingle", the fellow stated it was in everyone's vocabulary, but I have not idea what it means, yet I think he was saying something like "Questionable", just wondering if this is someone carried over from the "Other" forum.

[mlurye]

DrStiffler,
I did notice one interesting side effect of the gate. If I'm touching neon leg connected with 60 turns coil, I'm getting burning sensation in my finger, no electric shocks. Even so I'm not getting any burns. Did you experience it?

[DrStiffler]

DrStiffler,
I did notice one interesting side effect of the gate. If I'm touching neon leg connected with 60 turns coil, I'm getting burning sensation in my finger, no electric shocks. Even so I'm not getting any burns. Did you experience it?

@mlurye
Well RF in most cases is not felt at first, often one will smell the burn before any other sensation. RF burns also start hurting a day later and when looked at you will see a a small grayish ring with a small black center.

Yes I have felt the energy from an exciter and what you describe is not uncommon with one, although under the right conditions the electricity is not converted to heat as it passes through a resistance (in my opinion this is what is called cold electricity). In tuning a exciter you can evoke both forms and the trick is to tell which is which.

So if in 24 hours give or take you don't have a sore and small spot then you were playing with the cold form, else standard old RF burn.

[Vortex]

Spidey senses tingle

@amigo

Thank you.....

Hey because you are so willing to honor the old, help me out on something, I think is might be a Canadian thing.

What does "Spidey senses tingle", the fellow stated it was in everyone's vocabulary, but I have not idea what it means, yet I think he was saying something like "Questionable", just wondering if this is someone carried over from the "Other" forum.

"Spidey senses tingle" SpiderMan ..subconscious precognitive sense of danger, which he called a "spider-sense."

Spider-Man's "spider-sense" manifests in a tingling feeling at the base of his skull, alerting him to personal danger in proportion to the severity of that danger. It appears to be a simultaneous, seemingly clairvoyant response to a wide variety of phenomena. Though the exact mechanism of this ability is unknown, his original spider-sense clearly has at least two aspects in addition to sensing potential or immediate danger:

* A psychological awareness of his surroundings, similar to the radar-sense of Daredevil. When he is temporarily blinded[19], Spider-Man learns to emulate this ability and navigate without his eyesight. Even under normal conditions, his spider-sense helps him navigate darkened rooms, instinctively avoiding obstacles or hazards, or potentially noisy or unstable floorboards, walls or ceilings that may betray his presence. In one comic, he is shown sensing how many fingers Mary Jane is holding up.
* An ability to detect certain radio frequencies. Spider-Man's technical skill is such that he has designed spider-tracers that broadcast a signal detectable by his spider-sense.

There's more details than above at the wikipedia link above.

[Lidmotor]

My SEC running right---almost

Here is my SEC running the neon off the SGate on a 12 volt source at less than 10 milliamps. But ---- something is wrong. I can't get a fluorecsect tube to light. Any and all comments welcome. Thanks. HELLLPPPP!!!!

YouTube - Dr Stiffler SEC with SGate

Lidmotor

[Mutten]

Here is my SEC running the neon off the SGate on a 12 volt source at less than 10 milliamps. But ---- something is wrong. I can't get a fluorecsect tube to light. Any and all comments welcome. Thanks. HELLLPPPP!!!!

YouTube - Dr Stiffler SEC with SGate

Lidmotor

The sound of the SEC gave me a giggle. Nice vid.

2 ways to get the FL to light up, connect L2 (the 24 guage 63ish turn one) to earth ground, and the larger outer cylinder that has the night light attached to it. Attach the gate directly to the collector.

other way is to disconnect the gate and just hook the FL to L2 without the AV plug.

GL


Edit, added a roughed out diagram. Something like this. Also one thing I've noticed is that the frequency to get the neon to light up isn't always the same as the FL.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3089.jpg

Oops edit. L2 connects to gate and earth ground forgot to put that in to the pic. So its gate, L2 then earth. I'm tired it was a long day

[mlurye]

DrStiffler,
Where can I find information on how to build the gate? What dimensions of copper pipes and insulator?

[DrStiffler]

Here is my SEC running the neon off the SGate on a 12 volt source at less than 10 milliamps. But ---- something is wrong. I can't get a fluorecsect tube to light. Any and all comments welcome. Thanks. HELLLPPPP!!!!

YouTube - Dr Stiffler SEC with SGate

Lidmotor

@Lidmotor

Oh no, can not have you spend this time and not have success. I may get my legs broken but here this should show you what you did wrong.

@All

Sorry, I don't even think 'Spiderman' was in the series of books I read 50 years ago so have no idea about this fellow. Strange fellow.