High Voltage from Thin Air?

[amigo]

@MGC,

Ha, that is one impressive collection of air coils, bravo!

So are you telling us that your Lb is not a variable ferrite coil, but instead a fixed air coil?

It must have been interesting to tune to get it to work, thus explaining the number of coils you've made.

[amigo]

@All

I knew that tuning greatly depended on the voltage supplied to the circuit, but just recently I had another realization...

Because of the above, the circuit will eventually go out of tune once the battery drains beyond the tuning region, and we'll lose the coherence.

Has anyone thought about how to overcome this problem and have the circuit auto tune itself to the resonance, while keeping up with the drain on the battery?

[MGC]

@stephenafreter
The ground adds a punch although the surface of the pan by itself is good. I will try the foil bowl setup next and see how that compares. I blew a transistor connecting L3 directly to the pan , it's pretty easy to go over 100ma. Do you see less current with the higher input voltage, is that part of the negative resistance effect ?



@amigo
I got lucky the first time with L2, none of the other air coils I tested have worked but I bought a ferrite rod to try out this week.





Thank you all,
Mike

[Tecstatic]

Another replication

I have also replicated the SEC. Many thanks goes to Dr. Stiffler and the forum.

I have not had much trouble with tuning. Less than 3 hours after I started with all parts on the table ready to be assembled, it worked.

I have had a small 12V DC motor running with an av plug.

I lit 2 x 15 LEDs with 2 plugs, 12,7V@15mA, very bright.

Without plugs I have connected a 8w tube 1 wire and and further to a 3' 30W CFL, just taped the end of the test wire to the middle of the tube.

The brightness is not that bad, although it is far from the brightness on my previous 1 wire experiments. But now the power consumption is only 0,8W, thats impressive !

I estimate the temperature of of the MPSA06 to be approx. 40 degrees C without heatsink.
I have not burnt any MPSA's (so far).

@amigo

I have not made any auto tune circuit, as my replication stays tuned over a wide range, I have seen it running LEDs down to 2,3V. I have a 2200uF/50V cap on the supply. When I remove the power supply, the brightness decays to a lower level within a second. Then it decays at a much slower rate and continues for approx. 2 minutes before LEDs are not emitting ligtht. The MPSA continues oscillating with a low amplitude insufficient for lighting the LEDs, I have seen it running down to 1,6V supply voltage.

Until proven wrong I consider all coils except L1 as both coils AND transmission lines.

I want a standing wave on the coil wire at 1/4 wave length or ( 3/4, 5/4...). So my coils have the same length wire, I have used 7,5m. I have done several experiments and tuning, and often seen an almost clean sinus.

I have used litze wire 5 x 0,07 mm. for L2 and L3 on 15mm plastic tube.

In my latest setup I use 1nF, 20 windings on 6mm ferrite rod and 3Mohms feedback resistor.

I hope it will help ease your tuning.

Eric

[Tecstatic]

Yes, I've noticed this same thing. Also noticed if I have two grounds it increases the length of time before it dies off.

Just to clarify, I have not replicated the SGATE - yet, I need to get some materials first.
So I operate off a singe ground.

Eric

[Jules Tresor]

Low power update

Some update.
I found a way to get very low power consumption on a SEC, after watching :
Building blocks 2 by Dr Stiffler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v1-ct6V6Bg

No AV plug, no L3, no earth ground, but a metal pipe connected directly at Collector of transistor (still a 2N2222)
At precise sweet spot, the metal pipe get 'hot', and a neon can lit at proximity of the metal pipe.
LEDs are bright. I have only 9 (3x3) on the circuit now. One leg of the LED string must be in contact with the metal pipe, while the AV plug has a wire antenna connected.
Remember that where it's 'hot' and where LEDs go, caps can be charged

With that 9 LEDs and the neon bulb, the circuit takes LESS than 5mA
I estimate it's around 3mA x 20V from the wall adapter (20.6V measured unloaded, drops to 8.6 when SEC connected); it's less than 100mW (<0.1W)

Can not light a Fluo Tube.
But seems easier to find <0.1Watt from a hot SEC than with a more consuming circuit.
I'll try to get some power back from Solar cells placed in front of LEDs, but also from caps charging from AV plugs ...

In the video from Dr Stiffler linked above, you can see how strong are lighting the LEDs that are grounded. Imagine how caps would charge at that same place (I also have to find a larger pipe to see if the effect in enhanced.

Of course this direction seems so far to be in small power production, but getting 'free' LED light would be a good start for me already

good luck,
so many thinks to test with that circuit,
thanks Dr Stiffler
MDG

[Lattice333]

Hello All,

I have enjoyed following this thread and am learning with you.

The pictures attached are also from a low voltage setup (6.2v @ 0.02a).

Before we discuss - a puzzle for you. In which video does Dr Stiffler mention Lattice333?


Jonathan

[Mutten]

Hello All,

I have enjoyed following this thread and am learning with you.

The pictures attached are also from a low voltage setup (6.2v @ 0.02a).

Before we discuss - a puzzle for you. In which video does Dr Stiffler mention Lattice333?


Jonathan

I think thats the one where he mentions the party trick with the small night light in the beaker of water.

Still drinkin coffee, brains still fuzzy

[MGC]

Hello All,

I have enjoyed following this thread and am learning with you.

The pictures attached are also from a low voltage setup (6.2v @ 0.02a).

Before we discuss - a puzzle for you. In which video does Dr Stiffler mention Lattice333?


Jonathan

That's very cool, 40 white LEDs lit on a 1/8 of a watt, thank you

[DrStiffler]

You can help every one!

Hello All,

I have enjoyed following this thread and am learning with you.

The pictures attached are also from a low voltage setup (6.2v @ 0.02a).

Before we discuss - a puzzle for you. In which video does Dr Stiffler mention Lattice333?


Jonathan

@All
Nice to see that Lattice333 may join the pursuit. We have been in contact off and on and he has done some very interesting things and is a qualified replicator.

If Lattice333 will share some of his work it will only further what everyone is doing here and 'at last getting close to the point of all this'. Lattice333 did a test that provided significant information on a Exciter. That is about all I can say unless he wishes to disclose his 'remote' findings.

Great job Lattice333, hope you stick around to the end (seems like its not to far off).

[DrStiffler]

I have also replicated the SEC. Many thanks goes to Dr. Stiffler and the forum.

I have not had much trouble with tuning. Less than 3 hours after I started with all parts on the table ready to be assembled, it worked.

I have had a small 12V DC motor running with an av plug.

I lit 2 x 15 LEDs with 2 plugs, 12,7V@15mA, very bright.

Without plugs I have connected a 8w tube 1 wire and and further to a 3' 30W CFL, just taped the end of the test wire to the middle of the tube.

The brightness is not that bad, although it is far from the brightness on my previous 1 wire experiments. But now the power consumption is only 0,8W, thats impressive !

I estimate the temperature of of the MPSA06 to be approx. 40 degrees C without heatsink.
I have not burnt any MPSA's (so far).

@amigo

I have not made any auto tune circuit, as my replication stays tuned over a wide range, I have seen it running LEDs down to 2,3V. I have a 2200uF/50V cap on the supply. When I remove the power supply, the brightness decays to a lower level within a second. Then it decays at a much slower rate and continues for approx. 2 minutes before LEDs are not emitting ligtht. The MPSA continues oscillating with a low amplitude insufficient for lighting the LEDs, I have seen it running down to 1,6V supply voltage.

Until proven wrong I consider all coils except L1 as both coils AND transmission lines.

I want a standing wave on the coil wire at 1/4 wave length or ( 3/4, 5/4...). So my coils have the same length wire, I have used 7,5m. I have done several experiments and tuning, and often seen an almost clean sinus.

I have used litze wire 5 x 0,07 mm. for L2 and L3 on 15mm plastic tube.

In my latest setup I use 1nF, 20 windings on 6mm ferrite rod and 3Mohms feedback resistor.

I hope it will help ease your tuning.

Eric

@Tecstatic
Very good! I must give you an 8 out of 10. Keep it up and the answer appears near from a number of people.

[DrStiffler]

Just to clarify, I have not replicated the SGATE - yet, I need to get some materials first.
So I operate off a singe ground.

Eric

@Tecstatic
A properly working SGate is a fantastic interface to the 'Energy Lattice'. Note I say properly working. As with the first replications of the Exciters done by many on ou.com it can be a crap shoot at first. Once you get the feel for what is taking place, it all lines up like a bunch of ducklings.

Thanks for your efforts.

[DrStiffler]

@Everyone--- I have been sidetracked working on a strange Bedini SSG. It is run with one "egg" shaped magnet spinning on end. Jonny Davro's thread: "One magnet no bearing Bedini" is where the work is being done. It can run on very low power so I have been tying to get the SEC to run it wirelessly. I have been having pretty good luck with it but it is still not able to run 100% off the SEC wirelessly.

@Steverafreter---I have been following your work and surprised to see that you got a 2n2222 to work. My cheap Radio Shack ones didn't work. By accident I found that my 500mA 12v wall outlet charger would run my SEC without a battery in the middle. The unloaded output of the little "wall wart" is 21volts just like my solar panel and the SEC really likes that. I am running the SEC on it without the filter at the front of the circuit and it seem to do fine. I found that if you up the voltage then EVERYTHING comes on much brighter encluding the neon. Just like you, I can run it for hours now as long as I have a heat sink on the transistor.

@ Dr. Stiffler---I still don't understand what is going on here but I am enjoying the ride. Thanks again for sharing.

Here is the video of my latest work with SEC wireless energy transmission and trying to get it to run the Bedini.

YouTube - SEC------ Wireless Energy Transmission

Lidmotor

@Lidmotor
I think it was in a PM that I tried to explain in simple terms how this could be viewed? Anyway there are three different fields that exist around an Exciter and one is not common and very controversial, this is why I will not openly discuss it as it evokes fear in the rot-academic and cause may hairs to bristle.

Look for something strange..... Be aware of other aspect of the (localized) environment. Don't worry about the time.

[Lattice333]

@Dr Stiffler - Thanks for the kind introduction
@Mutten - Correct

Before I post more details on the "LV Coherence" pictures can I express a few personal observations.

Firstly there seems to be confusion between the excited field generated by Dr Stifflers driver circuit and the SEC effect. I believe the two are quite different.

The SEC driver circuit will easily produce an excited field which can light fluros and keep them lit with no wires. This is a great effect but I do not believe that this is "Coherence". A Tesla coil will also light fluro tubes in the excited field that it generated.

However in certain configurations and tuning of a SEC driver it is possible to realise additional returned energy from the excited field. For now I will refer to this as "coherence energy". The driver circuit excitation (wideband RF) may be an efficient way of creating light but it is not the final destination.

The problem is that in each circuit configuration the two energies are mixed in varying degrees. I hope my comments here will help you look beyond the driver excitation and seek to maximise the returned "coherence energy". Look up "Coherence" in Wiki.

You may ask - how do I distinguish between driver supplied energy and the returned coherence energy?

A great place to start is to consider the effect of adding a load to your driver's exicited field. If you add a load (LED's, fluros etc) to the excited field - does it draw more energy from the power supply? If yes then you are probably not seeing much coherence energy.

However if you have a circuit design where adding additional load's to the excited field does not draw additional energy from the power supply then you have a better configuration for attracting coherence energy.

In the light of the above, the arguments about which transistor is best are put in perspective. Can various transistors produce an excited field which lights fluro tubes? Yes - this has been proven.

Can any transistor return energy from an excited energy lattice - No this has not been proven. Dr Stiffler said use a MPSA06 and given the progress made, I have little reason to deviate from that instruction.

One last thing - you need to monitor the gain (Hfe) of the transistor. Dr Stiffler has always maintained that high gain is important. An off the shelf Fairchild MPSA06 has a gain of over 200. If you run an exciter too hard the gain of the transistor will degrade to 70 or less. I found I could stop this by putting four IN4148's in series between the emitter and the base of the driver.


Jonathan

[Jules Tresor]

Thanks for the info

Hello Lattice333,

Thank you too much for coming here and explaining what's happening with the SEC
I didn't know about the different fields around a SEC. Now I understand that the effect I get might be from the excitation field with my 2N2222 and might not be from the Coherence effect itself, because it needs an MPSA06 to get it.

So I must look for a tuning where adding more loads do not affect the amperage consumption

Of course adding a few LEDs as load may not be a good way to see increasing consumption, because they take so little current, and seem to light on voltage only (almost).
Please can you indicate me one or more sure means to test my setup for Spacial Energy Coherence?

Lucky you come here to clarify some points
Please take the chance to be here to help us as much as you can

After thinking I was surprised by your results, with bright LEDs at 6Volts input only !!! Now I understand that you are already 'in the known' about that stuff.
Thanks again,
MDG