High Voltage from Thin Air?

[DrStiffler]

Hi all,

I don't know if this applies but I made my SEC run on a generic 2222 just fine. Got a little warm ... wasn't really high gain, etc., but it worked. What I mean to say is I can get the neon to light brightly on the AV Plug with the NPN 2222.

...otherwise I'm using Fairchild SA06's ... I think they are better than ON's ... lower heat, etc. ! I've tried both ... but then again I'm new to this SEC stuff.

Greg

@gmeast

Yes you did indeed get a high voltage (68volts anyway) but did the Exciter work?

In order to know this you need three data points to be sure; 1) The highest Neon Temperature. 2) Along with the lowest Transistor Temperature. 3) And the lowest input current.

When all three are present and you can see different spots throughout the tuning range where all three did not line up, then I might say you have indeed obtained running with a 2222. I must say though, I never have obtained (correct) tuning with a 2222. What you do get is a HV of around 108V to 127V that results from the L3 inductor, very similar to the collapse of the field in an ignition coil generating a HV by being dissipated over a much higher resistance during the collapse.

Anyway its just splitting hairs anyway, two side by side would be hard to tell apart until you touched the bulb.

[DrStiffler]

MPSA06 and Barium

@Eric

I think you are speaking about the post I did fro Lidmotor when he was smoking them left and right. If I remember I said "I was told" (hearsay) that the 06 may contain Ba and if this were true it would be toxic to inhale the smoke??

I do not know as a fact they have Ba in them, if they do, well the whole process needs to be looked at from within rather than without.

Reason SEC has not been put in public is because even though controlled replication of specific artifacts are controllable I don't feel its any better than the big bang theory ("Gee it just exploded from something." What Something, how did it get there, where did it come from). I feel if you can not feel comfortable with the start you should not talk about the end.

[Tecstatic]

Some links to Hector...

@Tecstatic
I do remember some time back that you answered (amigo) when he questioned who Hector was and I remember you answered, but did you say what he was? Theorist or Applicationist? (new word:surprise: )

Could you point me back to that post or tell it again?

Thanks...

Hi Doc,

Try this link for a presentation of Hector, a picture of Hector and some of his inventions.
Roto Verter

Applicationist? Yes for sure !
Theorist? Yes for sure !
Formal educated, maybe, I do not remember. But He has his own technical language, that keeps your brain at work when reading his stuff.

The things he state is being replicated, so he is very trustworthy IMHO.

2003 Hector stated: I will not die with my secrets, but I feel deep regret at the loss of those who died with theirs...

The RV document
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/RV.pdf
contains the link at the bottom.
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/Advan...evelopment.pdf

Seeking for seike reveals the line:

The book of prof. S, Seike, Principles of Ultra Relativity, 5th ed. 1978

This book makes sense to Hector, A combination of this book and Hectors postings may reveal the trick to looping. Hector speaks of "soft electrons"

If you could act as a true peer to Hector and have him share his 9 types of electricity with you, who have systematically studied several effects, it would be a great step forward.

Hector can be contacted on the yahoo group EVGRAY.

In my view Hector is extremely intelligent, and he is focused. That can also be seen from the number of experiments he has done.

It has been the most difficult to read from the materials I have read, but it has also been the most giving. Supplemented by you, I think I'm close to being ready to design myself some of the more "simple" stuff.

The energetic forum is a wonderful site, but I miss a thing: A common file area where we can put larger files for exchange. To avoid server overload, the file area could be of a fixed size. If the file area free space comes below a given limit, some of the oldest files are deleted until the free space comes over the limit again.

Then we would not be in the claws of uploadservices, youtube etc. who wants to run scripts on our computers, and compromise the security. I don't trust these services and Google, as I consider this to be part of the monitoring of our study, research and work. And remember Google never forgets, thats the way they make money, scary. I have stopped using Google a long time ago. Many sites have Google analyse their traffic, and without protection more information is extracted and correlated.

Eric

[Tecstatic]

This post was a duplicate of the following post.

[Tecstatic]

@Eric

I think you are speaking about the post I did fro Lidmotor when he was smoking them left and right. If I remember I said "I was told" (hearsay) that the 06 may contain Ba and if this were true it would be toxic to inhale the smoke??

I do not know as a fact they have Ba in them, if they do, well the whole process needs to be looked at from within rather than without.

Reason SEC has not been put in public is because even though controlled replication of specific artifacts are controllable I don't feel its any better than the big bang theory ("Gee it just exploded from something." What Something, how did it get there, where did it come from). I feel if you can not feel comfortable with the start you should not talk about the end.

Yes, indeed it makes a difference.

Another thing in times to come, are the ones sitting in the dark at night. What do you think will be most of concern, having no light, or not understanding how it works ?

If that would be the case for other inventions, how many would have lights today, use computers or drive cars, if they were supposed to know the basics before use ?

And do you think the masses would care about a few individuals understanding, as long as it can be produced and used ?

I perfectly understand your own professional view on this

Eric

[Tecstatic]

One more thing to my understanding of the big picture...

I came across one more thing today.

When I a long time ago watched the second "Energy from the vacuum" where Bedini stated that if you load the circuit, the radient energy disappears. I was a big question mark why, what was the explanation ?

Regarding all devices as resonant in order to receive the energy, then I now think the explanation is, that adding a load lowers the Q value so the resonance dies, and thus no reception of external energy.

So that is why a coil has to act as a current node delivering its energy to a pure voltage node capacitance where it can be "harvested". Alternatively you can measure the current in the node and series insert an incandescent bulb with the same nominal amperage (the capacitor must still be there), Hector lighted a 1000W/230V bulb with just approx. 20V across the bulb, EV Gray did the same trick with his underwater bulb.

I remember Bearden states somewhere, that when a Bedini circuit charges a battery it eventually detunes, when the battery is fully charged.

As the chemistry is no longer able to store the energy, the battery no more acts like a capacitor, but as a resistor when trying to raise the voltage more, thus destroying the Q value, and the circuit is detuned.

Eric

[DrStiffler]

I came across one more thing today.

When I a long time ago watched the second "Energy from the vacuum" where Bedini stated that if you load the circuit, the radient energy disappears. I was a big question mark why, what was the explanation ?

Regarding all devices as resonant in order to receive the energy, then I now think the explanation is, that adding a load lowers the Q value so the resonance dies, and thus no reception of external energy.

So that is why a coil has to act as a current node delivering its energy to a pure voltage node capacitance where it can be "harvested". Alternatively you can measure the current in the node and series insert an incandescent bulb with the same nominal amperage (the capacitor must still be there), Hector lighted a 1000W/230V bulb with just approx. 20V across the bulb, EV Gray did the same trick with his underwater bulb.

I remember Bearden states somewhere, that when a Bedini circuit charges a battery it eventually detunes, when the battery is fully charged.

As the chemistry is no longer able to store the energy, the battery no more acts like a capacitor, but as a resistor when trying to raise the voltage more, thus destroying the Q value, and the circuit is detuned.

Eric

@Eric
The detuning is a common problem and it fully exists in the SEC Exciters as well. Lidmotor found this out when he first tried it and many others that have tried it found a charge stated where the Exciter detuned to the point that no further charge could be realized. This is a minor engineering problem and only requires a higher component count and a more complex circuit. Constant load is the very best of all worlds, LED's etc. Although ESEC does not react the same way as the capacitor fills.

When you speak of nodes I assume you talk of Far Field? When in the Near Field you do not see this manifested, you should have uniform distribution.

When we consider that Free Space (surrounding ambient environment) ideally has an impedance of ~377 ohms you would want to reduce parasitic capacity (leakage) correct? Yet for SEC Exciters the parasitic capacity is of great benefit, mass in and of its self (correct mass) can be used also.

I'll look into Hector and see if I can make sense of what he has out there. As far as contacting him that would depend on if I can replicate anything of his, that would make conversation much easier.

@amigo
Some time back you were asking about buying parts from China for the V4 designs. It's called an exclusive manufacturing contract, if you can I would really like to know about it.

[amigo]

So that is why a coil has to act as a current node delivering its energy to a pure voltage node capacitance where it can be "harvested".

Isn't that implied by the actual properties of inductors and capacitors? You cannot have an inductor create a magnetic field around it without current; whereas capacitor cannot create a dielectric field without potential (voltage) differential?

Alternatively you can measure the current in the node and series insert an incandescent bulb with the same nominal amperage (the capacitor must still be there), Hector lighted a 1000W/230V bulb with just approx. 20V across the bulb, EV Gray did the same trick with his underwater bulb.

You have mentioned this before and I am wondering is there more information available somewhere about this Hector's experiment, and replications as well?

[amigo]

@amigo
Some time back you were asking about buying parts from China for the V4 designs. It's called an exclusive manufacturing contract, if you can I would really like to know about it.

Unfortunately, I do not have any contacts of that nature. I was speaking in theory since nowadays many things are manufactured in China for a fraction of the cost and one can source almost anything out.

Are you telling us that parts for the V4 are custom made? What will happen if/when the source dries out, which is a possibility in the future?

[Tecstatic]

Isn't that implied by the actual properties of inductors and capacitors? You cannot have an inductor create a magnetic field around it without current; whereas capacitor cannot create a dielectric field without potential (voltage) differential?

You are right, but the point is that the LCR circuit is unloaded while the coil delivers its energy. This is very important. Bedini does this right with his circuit for the window motor, and Hector does this right with his diode plug.

You have mentioned this before and I am wondering is there more information available somewhere about this Hector's experiment, and replications as well?

Look in the Panaceauniversity RV references to Doc as a starting point.
Rexresearch 11index -- Robins Cover is another good source.

Eric

[amigo]

By the way here's a book that might come handy in our pursuits:

Practical Oscillator Handbook

Click on: Download for free with FileFactory Basic

[Tecstatic]

@Eric
The detuning is a common problem and it fully exists in the SEC Exciters as well. Lidmotor found this out when he first tried it and many others that have tried it found a charge stated where the Exciter detuned to the point that no further charge could be realized. This is a minor engineering problem and only requires a higher component count and a more complex circuit. Constant load is the very best of all worlds, LED's etc. Although ESEC does not react the same way as the capacitor fills.

When you speak of nodes I assume you talk of Far Field? When in the Near Field you do not see this manifested, you should have uniform distribution.

When we consider that Free Space (surrounding ambient environment) ideally has an impedance of ~377 ohms you would want to reduce parasitic capacity (leakage) correct? Yet for SEC Exciters the parasitic capacity is of great benefit, mass in and of its self (correct mass) can be used also.

I'll look into Hector and see if I can make sense of what he has out there. As far as contacting him that would depend on if I can replicate anything of his, that would make conversation much easier.
it.

**Constant load is the very best of all worlds
So states Hector with his words.

**When you speak of nodes I assume you talk of Far Field?
No, I referred to the current node in the wire, like Hector and Gray did it.

You have hit a soft spot when you talk about the effect in the near/far field, I have not thought about it and no significant knowledge either, to few experimental hours and lack of RF experience.

**Yet for SEC Exciters the parasitic capacity is of great benefit, mass in and of its self (correct mass) can be used also.

Please enlighten me on this.

''As far as contacting him that would depend on if I can replicate anything of his, that would make conversation much easier.

Take a look at the work of this 15 year old Austin Adee and his coexperimenter.

RV - NewInThePast (New In The Past)
Rotoverter

But I think it will be cheaper and more easy for you to make an ordinary iron transformer work. You can easily vary the primary DC rail voltage with a vario transformer FWBR and capacitor for DC to a simple circuit to vary frequency and pulse duration (switching on off) to the primary and having LC on the secondary. Doing this right you can have both ferro resonance and normal LC resonance and put a diode plug to harvest the circulating energy from the secondary. Look in the document link I gave for "transverter".

Eric

[DrStiffler]

ECAT, Energy Conversion by Articulated Transfer

I received emails to restore this link to the archived ECAT page, so I did, BUT I will not get into this topic in this thread. If it needs discussion I will start a different thread.

Energy Conversion by Articulated Transfer

[slayer007]

I thought I would try some differant transistors for the SEC.
I had very good luck with a PNP 2N3906 transistor.
Just had to change the polarity of the SEC around for it to work.

I was thinking I could use this transistor to trigger a bigger transistor to beef it up a little.

But I was suprised it ran the SEC so well and used less power.
It worked a little better having a small antenna on L1 between L1 and the capacitor also.

Here is a short video of it.

YouTube - SEC Using a 2N3906 PNP Transistor

[ABCStore]

First results worth mentioning. Light bulb used is this - Sam's Club - Lights of America® Downlight LED Accent - 45W/2pk
Rewired all (but 5) LEDs to be connected in series, 55 total. S-Gate connected via a coil, 65 turns of AWG24 (I think).
First shot is with the flash, second is without, just to show the brightness.
Voltmeter is connected to AV plug.

Still trying to figure out how to get maximum brightness out of this little gem.

ABC