High Voltage from Thin Air?

[lamare]

He also asked me to post this about the LCR meter:

"Please use care in buying test equipment and one in particular is the LCR. You will need to measure down to at least 0.5uH with fair accuracy. The $15 and under $100 meters will not do this and have a test frequency that is far to low. You want a test frequency >100Hz. The ones I use are running at 750kHz. The problem is that how all good meters have a wide range. The one that are accurate in the low end do not go up to the xxmH range. So before you buy make sure if you will be happy with the low end only or you will then need two meters."

Maybe one of the best options is to make one yourself. There are various kits around on the net, based on a PIC microcontroller:
Very Accurate LC Meter based on PIC16F84A

This one can be had for $60 :
Electronics-DIY.com - BA1404, BH1415, BH1417, TDA7000, 38KHz Crystal, 7.6MHz Crystal, KV1310 BB105 BB109 Varicap Diodes, Stereo FM Transmitters, Stereo Encoder, LC Meter, Ferrite Beads, Variable Coils

And if you're really low on budget, you can also build a LC meter using a (DOS) PC:
http://www.forad.org/PA3HDF/lcmeter.zip

[DrStiffler]

Back on track

@All

With allowance for my temporary health restrictions I am back on the thread where I belong. I am sorry I spent a bit of time on the Ainslie thread, but I'm where I should be.

So from this post I hope to get back into the stream an present some new things to ponder, like how to detect L waves.

[ABCStore]

Doctor,
hope you feel better...

That on its turn leads to yet another interesting thing to experiment with: multiple concentric tubes

Already tried that, mixed results...

ABC

[DrStiffler]

Doctor,
hope you feel better...



Already tried that, mixed results...

ABC

@ABCStore

Thank you for the thought. This AM when I got up I felt like I might be on an upswing, yet I went to let the dogs out and they rushed the door and destabilized me. Now its not so good again, but it at least said there is hope if I use more care.

You have looked at the Sgate a bit as I see in the thread and it does indeed work similar to what Lamare alluded to.

The gate as constructed does toy with the L waves which are phased in such a way that amplification does take place. (Now that may not be the whole truth although).

My video on 'Whats mass got to do with it' hinted at how the wave could be coupled an propagated. The thing I now see is everyone needs a way to see the L waves so that more efficient tuning can result.

@All

So before I just lay it out, what are your thoughts on how to detect the L wave? If we assume it to be a pressure wave (not air of course as a sound wave) , but, could it be pressure that is felt withing certain types or maybe shapes of mass?

[ABCStore]

Simple question: should L3 be made of about 25m (27m) of wire?

ABC

[lamare]

So before I just lay it out, what are your thoughts on how to detect the L wave? If we assume it to be a pressure wave (not air of course as a sound wave) , but, could it be pressure that is felt withing certain types or maybe shapes of mass?

As far as I can tell, we are talking about pure voltage (potential) waves, traveling at 1.5 times the speed of light. I know, that sounds absurd, but that's what both Dollard and Meyl are talking about.

In that sense, I think Eric Dollards notes are a very interesting read:
Eric Dollard Notes (1986--1991)

What you get once you excite a piece of metal with scalar waves, is that the electrons (and atom nuclei) will tend to oscillate along with the waves, which on its turn creates/induces additional waves, probably both EM and scalar. If you don't get a standing wave inside the material, you will get a complicated interference pattern, that also radiates outside of the material. In other words: you get a noise-like interference pattern inside and outside of the material.

One can also expect the temperature of the material to rise, but I have no idea how much you would be talking about. I guess that depends on the resistance of the material and the amount of exitiation that gets left in this complex interference pattern.

Given the wave-lengths we are working with, in the order of 20-30 m, one can expect most of the scalar waves will just bend around any metal material, and one can also expect the electrons inside a relatively small piece of metal (in the order of some meters in size) to be able to move fast enough to be able to follow the propagation of the wave outside of the surface. In other words: you can expect to see very little dampening of the wave by pieces of metal of any reasonable size. And therefore, it is reasonable to expect these kind of scalar waves cannot be shielded by metal of a reasonable size. OTOH: you can put up the same kind of reasoning for a normal transversal wave, and still, according to Meyl, one can shield EM waves much easier then scalar waves. Maybe someone else can shine some light on this?

As far as I can tell from what I read/heard from Dollard and Meyl, detection is based on the different propagation speed and difference in shielding properties. If you have two coils wirelessly coupled in resonance, there are two resonance frequencies, the scalar resonance frequency is 1.5 times higher then the EM resonance frequency. The EM wave can be easily shielded, Meyl showed this by just putting his hand between transmitter and reciever, while the scalar wave cannot be shielded this way.

So, the lower frequency wave traveling at the speed of light can be shielded/ considerably dampened and the higher frequency scalar wave cannot. See the lectures from Konstantin Meyl on youtube. I can't acces youtube here, so you'll have to google for it. ( However, this should be one of them: YouTube - Konstantin Meyl Scalar Wave Theory 2 of 3 )

[DrStiffler]

As far as I can tell, we are talking about pure voltage (potential) waves, traveling at 1.5 times the speed of light. I know, that sounds absurd, but that's what both Dollard and Meyl are talking about.

In that sense, I think Eric Dollards notes are a very interesting read:
Eric Dollard Notes (1986--1991)

What you get once you excite a piece of metal with scalar waves, is that the electrons (and atom nuclei) will tend to oscillate along with the waves, which on its turn creates/induces additional waves, probably both EM and scalar. If you don't get a standing wave inside the material, you will get a complicated interference pattern, that also radiates outside of the material. In other words: you get a noise-like interference pattern inside and outside of the material.

One can also expect the temperature of the material to rise, but I have no idea how much you would be talking about. I guess that depends on the resistance of the material and the amount of exitiation that gets left in this complex interference pattern.

Given the wave-lengths we are working with, in the order of 20-30 m, one can expect most of the scalar waves will just bend around any metal material, and one can also expect the electrons inside a relatively small piece of metal (in the order of some meters in size) to be able to move fast enough to be able to follow the propagation of the wave outside of the surface. In other words: you can expect to see very little dampening of the wave by pieces of metal of any reasonable size. And therefore, it is reasonable to expect these kind of scalar waves cannot be shielded by metal of a reasonable size. OTOH: you can put up the same kind of reasoning for a normal transversal wave, and still, according to Meyl, one can shield EM waves much easier then scalar waves. Maybe someone else can shine some light on this?

As far as I can tell from what I read/heard from Dollard and Meyl, detection is based on the different propagation speed and difference in shielding properties. If you have two coils wirelessly coupled in resonance, there are two resonance frequencies, the scalar resonance frequency is 1.5 times higher then the EM resonance frequency. The EM wave can be easily shielded, Meyl showed this by just putting his hand between transmitter and reciever, while the scalar wave cannot be shielded this way.

So, the lower frequency wave traveling at the speed of light can be shielded/ considerably dampened and the higher frequency scalar wave cannot. See the lectures from Konstantin Meyl on youtube. I can't acces youtube here, so you'll have to google for it. ( However, this should be one of them: YouTube - Konstantin Meyl Scalar Wave Theory 2 of 3 )

EXCELLENT!

will be in my lab in a few hours with big screen an will answer and respond to some of this.

[lamare]

About the 1.5 speed of light for scalar waves.

Coming to think of it, I am not convinced scalar waves travel at a speed greater then the speed of light.

I suspect when you look at what is actually resonating in normal oscillation vs. what we think of a scalar wave producing oscillation of a coil, there are two factors that could influence the resonance frequency significantly. That is, assuming that in the scalar case, we have a resonating eather *outside* of the coil wire, while in the normal case, we have resonating electrons *inside* the coil as the most important component to consider:

1. The propagation speed. Inside the wire we have a light speed of somewhere between 25 and 95% of the speed of light in vacuum.

2. If the resonance takes place *outside* the coil wire, we might have something much akin to an *open* pipe, while when the resonance takes place inside the wire, we have a one-side *closed* pipe. In the first case, you have the first resonance at 1/2 lambda, while in the second case, you have the first resonance freq. already at 1/4 lambda.

Also, with open pipes, you have more resonance frequencies, see the acoustic equivalent:
Resonances of open air columns

So, we might be looking at pure voltage open pipe resonance, just outside our coil wire, at the speed of light, in comparison to normal, closed pipe EM resonance, inside our coil wires, at a speed lower then the speed of light.

[samedsoft]

What's Got to do with MASS?

The qualities of current and geometry of radiating aparatus is directly related with the radiation you have.

That is if you can generate longitudinal characteristic current, then you will have higher ratio of L-Wave radiation. 90% LEM Wave + 10% TEM wave.

So the most important part is to generate special current as Karl Palsen and SEC did..

SEC circuit does not include spark gap so it is more special to have it deeply analyzed in this means.

Please verify me Doctor if I am right or let us know your thoughts...

Regards..

NT,TR

[DrStiffler]

Simple question: should L3 be made of about 25m (27m) of wire?

ABC

@ABCStore

That would depend on what circuit configuration we are talking about? If it is what we call a 3-SGate and L3 is from the center of the center electrode of the gate, that would work under correct tuning. If we are talking about an original Exciter 15-3 with L1, L2 and L3 (no VLT's or SGates) then no not at all. This large of an L3 would require a total adjustment in L1 and L2 and I would think C1 to get you back into a cohered mode. Also in a 15-3 this large of an L3 would pretty much damage your transistor in a short time if you were in coherence. The return voltages could reach upwards of +800 volts and the diodes themselves if it has an AV Plug would fail almost at once.

[DrStiffler]

As far as I can tell, we are talking about pure voltage (potential) waves, traveling at 1.5 times the speed of light. I know, that sounds absurd, but that's what both Dollard and Meyl are talking about.

In that sense, I think Eric Dollards notes are a very interesting read:
Eric Dollard Notes (1986--1991)

What you get once you excite a piece of metal with scalar waves, is that the electrons (and atom nuclei) will tend to oscillate along with the waves, which on its turn creates/induces additional waves, probably both EM and scalar. If you don't get a standing wave inside the material, you will get a complicated interference pattern, that also radiates outside of the material. In other words: you get a noise-like interference pattern inside and outside of the material.

One can also expect the temperature of the material to rise, but I have no idea how much you would be talking about. I guess that depends on the resistance of the material and the amount of exitiation that gets left in this complex interference pattern.

Given the wave-lengths we are working with, in the order of 20-30 m, one can expect most of the scalar waves will just bend around any metal material, and one can also expect the electrons inside a relatively small piece of metal (in the order of some meters in size) to be able to move fast enough to be able to follow the propagation of the wave outside of the surface. In other words: you can expect to see very little dampening of the wave by pieces of metal of any reasonable size. And therefore, it is reasonable to expect these kind of scalar waves cannot be shielded by metal of a reasonable size. OTOH: you can put up the same kind of reasoning for a normal transversal wave, and still, according to Meyl, one can shield EM waves much easier then scalar waves. Maybe someone else can shine some light on this?

As far as I can tell from what I read/heard from Dollard and Meyl, detection is based on the different propagation speed and difference in shielding properties. If you have two coils wirelessly coupled in resonance, there are two resonance frequencies, the scalar resonance frequency is 1.5 times higher then the EM resonance frequency. The EM wave can be easily shielded, Meyl showed this by just putting his hand between transmitter and reciever, while the scalar wave cannot be shielded this way.

So, the lower frequency wave traveling at the speed of light can be shielded/ considerably dampened and the higher frequency scalar wave cannot. See the lectures from Konstantin Meyl on youtube. I can't acces youtube here, so you'll have to google for it. ( However, this should be one of them: YouTube - Konstantin Meyl Scalar Wave Theory 2 of 3 )

@lamare

Let me first say I side in may ways with what Meyl states. I do think Tesla, and Meyl as well as a few others are correct in the 1.5c or greater and I also am currently looking at changing the SEC Theory and seeing how Inter-Dimensional interaction could work as opposed to my Energy Lattice Concept. Allowing for above light speed would answer some questions I have been stuck on for some time. I have a very hard time in getting it across on just how the flow of Heat is cycled back into the lattice in a universal way as it becomes difficult to understand the temperature gradients, yet if we could use a dimensional doorway and travel at some speed above c it seems to fall into place.

You are totally correct on the standing wave concept within mass cause by L waves. I always wondered about something in this direction and now there are three associates (not part of SS) that are looking into it. I did ask and so long as I do not say who they are I can tell you what they are looking into.

In one of my videos I show the long copper pipe and the LED board connected directly to it which a finite distance between the input to the AV Plug. These connections are a node locations. This is not an antenna as is normally considered, no slots, no loading and no tuning as such, yet at the frequencies of the L waves I am working with the Z is very high in how the connections are aligned and a sizable voltage is recovered by the Plug.

Now the associates I spoke of, imagine you could adjust a powerful L wave so that you could sweep the nodes the length of a long metallic (even organic) bar and even adjust so that only one high node and two low nodes were present 1.5 lambda. The two anti nodes (- for want of a simpler description) would be cold and the (+) node would be super hot. Think about it, a way by adjusting the frequency of an L wave to selectively cut or heat treat specific section of a mass. The potential of having your own cooling and heating in such specific area's could lad to thousands of applications.

What is not clear is what the most unlikely material masses respond so much better than others. I have and do use metals and semiconductors (PN) junctions in certain sensor configurations, yet one of the most unlikely things is the best so far.

[DrStiffler]

As far as I can tell, we are talking about pure voltage (potential) waves, traveling at 1.5 times the speed of light. I know, that sounds absurd, but that's what both Dollard and Meyl are talking about.

In that sense, I think Eric Dollards notes are a very interesting read:
Eric Dollard Notes (1986--1991)

What you get once you excite a piece of metal with scalar waves, is that the electrons (and atom nuclei) will tend to oscillate along with the waves, which on its turn creates/induces additional waves, probably both EM and scalar. If you don't get a standing wave inside the material, you will get a complicated interference pattern, that also radiates outside of the material. In other words: you get a noise-like interference pattern inside and outside of the material.

One can also expect the temperature of the material to rise, but I have no idea how much you would be talking about. I guess that depends on the resistance of the material and the amount of exitiation that gets left in this complex interference pattern.

Given the wave-lengths we are working with, in the order of 20-30 m, one can expect most of the scalar waves will just bend around any metal material, and one can also expect the electrons inside a relatively small piece of metal (in the order of some meters in size) to be able to move fast enough to be able to follow the propagation of the wave outside of the surface. In other words: you can expect to see very little dampening of the wave by pieces of metal of any reasonable size. And therefore, it is reasonable to expect these kind of scalar waves cannot be shielded by metal of a reasonable size. OTOH: you can put up the same kind of reasoning for a normal transversal wave, and still, according to Meyl, one can shield EM waves much easier then scalar waves. Maybe someone else can shine some light on this?

As far as I can tell from what I read/heard from Dollard and Meyl, detection is based on the different propagation speed and difference in shielding properties. If you have two coils wirelessly coupled in resonance, there are two resonance frequencies, the scalar resonance frequency is 1.5 times higher then the EM resonance frequency. The EM wave can be easily shielded, Meyl showed this by just putting his hand between transmitter and reciever, while the scalar wave cannot be shielded this way.

So, the lower frequency wave traveling at the speed of light can be shielded/ considerably dampened and the higher frequency scalar wave cannot. See the lectures from Konstantin Meyl on youtube. I can't acces youtube here, so you'll have to google for it. ( However, this should be one of them: YouTube - Konstantin Meyl Scalar Wave Theory 2 of 3 )

@lamare
Dollard, interesting in that another member of this thread has run some simulations with a simple SEC Exciter driver and obtained kilowatts of energy. When I was made aware of this I tried the simulations (on a different simulator) and did not see the same result. As of now neither one of us has constructed a circuit to test this and I feel that either my simulator or his is in error, yet I found a paper sent to me by a person in the Pacific Northwest that showed a two stage circuit driven by simple exciter and I lost my breath when I saw the numbers, no I have yet to build this circuit also, but I have faith in the sender.

[DrStiffler]

What's Got to do with MASS?

The qualities of current and geometry of radiating aparatus is directly related with the radiation you have.

That is if you can generate longitudinal characteristic current, then you will have higher ratio of L-Wave radiation. 90% LEM Wave + 10% TEM wave.

So the most important part is to generate special current as Karl Palsen and SEC did..

SEC circuit does not include spark gap so it is more special to have it deeply analyzed in this means.

Please verify me Doctor if I am right or let us know your thoughts...

Regards..

NT,TR

@samedsoft
Please read what I answered to 'lamare' and see if that partially answers the question. We are into an area here that few current researchers (unless they are silent) have explored, although there are many of the answers already out there. I think I know why the area is not in the public, it has significant impact in a number of ways and (if) inner-dimensional connection is know or can be shown, the usage of the processes is beyond imagination.

[DrStiffler]

Coming to think of it, I am not convinced scalar waves travel at a speed greater then the speed of light.

I suspect when you look at what is actually resonating in normal oscillation vs. what we think of a scalar wave producing oscillation of a coil, there are two factors that could influence the resonance frequency significantly. That is, assuming that in the scalar case, we have a resonating eather *outside* of the coil wire, while in the normal case, we have resonating electrons *inside* the coil as the most important component to consider:

1. The propagation speed. Inside the wire we have a light speed of somewhere between 25 and 95% of the speed of light in vacuum.

2. If the resonance takes place *outside* the coil wire, we might have something much akin to an *open* pipe, while when the resonance takes place inside the wire, we have a one-side *closed* pipe. In the first case, you have the first resonance at 1/2 lambda, while in the second case, you have the first resonance freq. already at 1/4 lambda.

Also, with open pipes, you have more resonance frequencies, see the acoustic equivalent:
Resonances of open air columns

So, we might be looking at pure voltage open pipe resonance, just outside our coil wire, at the speed of light, in comparison to normal, closed pipe EM resonance, inside our coil wires, at a speed lower then the speed of light.

@lamare
I do like this, indeed. As you must know I must all of the time fight the battle of Near Field and Far Field. The silent ones have done the inspection and remain silent (whats new) and the vocal ones have not performed the measurements. Inspection of NF and FF one will see at once that the action can not be totally explained by either. Now your above statements, I could fight with that better than my opening a door to the lattice argument.

Yet your thoughts bring forth a question; If indeed we have a localized spatial resonance and it is caused by such a low power exciter, then there must exist a specific frequency at which the local frame can be excited and this frequency must be coming from the exciter. Of course it could be such an extreme thing as a secondary mixing of exciter output.

Also to oscillate such a large area as the exciters will do leads to a (snow ball effect)? A possible self excitation from stimulation (does that ring a bell?).

One thing that has me thinking is that we are able to without effort show a polarization in the FL tubes for example. Using tip (a) to light the tube and move it out of the field until is extinguishes and then again try ti excite it from tip (a). This is often not possible. Turning the bulb to tip (b) allows it to light at once. Also the orientation of FL's is strange in that one would logically think they would work best if parallel to the circuit, yet this is not the case, they prefer perpendicular.

I think I have a video someplace where I show a long FL in low light and one can see the nodes in the tube, it appears the energy is entering the center of the tube and leaving both ends.

Anyway great idea, I need to think on this some more.

Thanks

[ABCStore]

Just a quick note. I've burned a couple of 4148s in an AV plug running SEC15 circuit @ 18.9v 60-70mA... It's now fairly easy to get the voltage to go through the roof...

Dr., any hints on the material producing best response?

ABC