Moving Stator PMM design

[Iotayodi]

That is very interesting! Ill be watching this.
You may need to change the moving stator name to Motator since its moving.

[rickoff]

Hi Iotayodi,

Thanks for your interest and comments. Yes, Motator, or Mostator would be appropriate.

Rick

[rickoff]

Diagram showing varied forces at work

Here is a diagram that I prepared to show the relationship of forces involved in the moving stator concept. While the actual forces are continually varying during stator carriage movement, the color bands are shown to depict general areas of transition.



Note that the strongest points of resistance to stator magnet travel are located half way between the zero resistance points along the stator track. The weakest rotational repulsion effect is found at the top of the diagram, where the stator magnet is beginning to move downward. Conversely, the strongest rotational repulsion effect is found at the bottom of the diagram, where the stator magnet is completing its downward motion and is about to cycle upwards. This provides extra uninhibited momentum to continue rotation and to overcome the weak rotational repulsion that occurs at the turnaround point.


Rick

[gene gene]

Hi Rick,

I keep looking back here hoping to see a progress report on your PMM. I have had an idea in the back of my head for years and was wondering if you might take a look at it.

I have very limited knowledge of electronics (windings, coils, and such) but if you think this idea might have potential maybe I could start a thread for it & see if anyone could make suggestions on windings for electromagnets and coils. I saw that you took a look at Boswell free energy machine. On peswiki's Boswell page it says " Jim founded Boswell distribution ten years ago around a fishing pole related invention he made ".

I know this is contrary to what you stated at the start of this thread but only hope to stimulate your thinking. A rotor driver?

I think it might only complicate a build with timing and all.

Best regards to you,
Gene

[gene gene]

Hi Rick,
I failed to post links. Still learning.
mag arch 3.bmp - Windows Live
pmm switch.bmp - Windows Live

Gene

[tjnlsn255]

Hi Rick,

I am curious if this effect you are talking about is one of the features of the Kundel motor?

Life is good....

Tj

[rickoff]

Reply to Gene:

Hi Rick,

I keep looking back here hoping to see a progress report on your PMM. I have had an idea in the back of my head for years and was wondering if you might take a look at it.

I have very limited knowledge of electronics (windings, coils, and such) but if you think this idea might have potential maybe I could start a thread for it & see if anyone could make suggestions on windings for electromagnets and coils. I saw that you took a look at Boswell free energy machine. On peswiki's Boswell page it says " Jim founded Boswell distribution ten years ago around a fishing pole related invention he made ".

I know this is contrary to what you stated at the start of this thread but only hope to stimulate your thinking. A rotor driver?

I think it might only complicate a build with timing and all.

Best regards to you,
Gene

Hi Gene,

I have been busy gathering parts for a test platform, and hope to be able to begin testing soon. My idea from the start was to build a magnetic motor that works entirely on magnetic and mechanical interaction, so I really don't want to introduce electromagnets into the build. Also, I feel that the mechanical tracking system is by far the best way to accomplish movement of the stator carriage, since it assures that the constantly changing alignment factors between the stator magnet and the rotor magnets are always in perfect timing and position for maximum effective rotational repulsion. Best of all, it's simple and will be easy to replicate.

I looked at your diagrams, and the first one I understand as your "fishing pole" action idea. I do think that is worth some experimentation. Have you done anything with that yet? I wasn't quite sure what you were depicting in the second diagram. Was that an idea for using the fishing pole idea to reciprocate the stator carriage back and forth across the face of the rotor?

Best regards,

Rick

[rickoff]

Reply to Tj:

Hi Rick,

I am curious if this effect you are talking about is one of the features of the Kundel motor?

Life is good....

Tj

Hi Tj,

The only similarity I can see is that the Kundel motor does use a reciprocating magnet to interact with the rotor magnets. The build is entirely different, though. Also, the Kundel relies on power input to either drive the reciprocating magnet or rotate the rotors, and I don't plan on using any electromagnetic coils or input power.

Best,

Rick

[tjnlsn255]

Thanks Rick,

Your posts always make me think and that is a really good thing...

Life is good....

Tj

[gene gene]

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the RE. I'm glad to see that you are near the testing stage with your build. I hope you can post some pics so we all can follow along.

Also a big thanks for taking a look at my drawings. Your description of my second diagram was right on. I wish you to know that I am in total agreement
with you on all parts of your concept. When working on my fishing rod drawing I just kept thinking about how it might work with a rotor that was similar to yours in magnet spacing, and something kept telling me to run it by you.

Maybe I will run the fishing pole idea past Aaron and the pendulum guys on the Veljko Milkovic thread, and see what they think of it. I guess the only experimentation that I've done with it would be, as a boy of 9 or 10 in the early sixties, I pivoted a fishing pole with just a wire wrapped around it in my dads vise. I do not remember the exact set up, but I know I spent many a rainy day there, that summer, playing with it and being amazed at the small amount of input needed to cause much movement on the sinker weighted tipet. Perhaps now is the time for more play.

Wishing you luck on your tests,

Gene

[CLaNZeR]

Rick what a cool idea

Will re-read through when I get more time, but very unique concept

Cheers

Sean

[rickoff]

Thanks, Sean. I'll be posting some tests of this idea soon, but you may actually get the jump on me if you find this interesting. I have followed your experiments with interest since you started posting them. Have you continued working on your MYLOW replication?

Rick

[thaelin]

Thanks, Sean. I'll be posting some tests of this idea soon, but you may actually get the jump on me if you find this interesting. I have followed your experiments with interest since you started posting them. Have you continued working on your MYLOW replication?

Rick

Was intrigued with this design. I have seen the jalapeno vid and got quite a lol over it. But yes he did have a valid point. He saw the tree, but not the forest. I kept looking at this and ask myself if it could be laid down. Running horizontal would make the tracks travel in the same weight plane with only momentum to counter at the end.
The point I see that needs to be said is why not a disc with the magnets sunk into it with the cam track around the outside edge? That way you can have the traveler bar running between two wheels on guides that ride on top of the disc. That would allow haveing two magnets in the track for one slider. And nothing to stop by adding another slider 90/270 degrees from the other raised up just enough to clear the other. Many ways to do it.

thaelin
Mind if I try it?

[rickoff]

Reply to thaelin:

Was intrigued with this design. I have seen the jalapeno vid and got quite a lol over it. But yes he did have a valid point. He saw the tree, but not the forest. I kept looking at this and ask myself if it could be laid down. Running horizontal would make the tracks travel in the same weight plane with only momentum to counter at the end.
The point I see that needs to be said is why not a disc with the magnets sunk into it with the cam track around the outside edge? That way you can have the traveler bar running between two wheels on guides that ride on top of the disc. That would allow haveing two magnets in the track for one slider. And nothing to stop by adding another slider 90/270 degrees from the other raised up just enough to clear the other. Many ways to do it.

thaelin
Mind if I try it?

Hi Thaelin,

Yes, like you say - there are many ways this can be done, and certainly a disc configuration is one of them. Actually, that is what I'm currently working on to use for test purposes. By all means go for it if this piques your interest. The track system is wide open to experimentation. It can be a double rail with a wheel that rides between them, a monorail with a wheel that rides on top, a monorail with wheels on each side of it, a monorail with one wheel at the side and light spring tension to keep the wheel against the rail, or a channel track monorail such as is pictured in post #13. Whatever tracking system you decide on, it will be best to build as large a test disc setup as possible, so that the stator carriage movement is very gradual.

If you try this, then please keep us informed as to your setup and results.

Best wishes to you,

Rick

[rickoff]

Test rig nearing completion

I've been working on a test rig the past couple of days, and am nearly done with it now. I built a test stand that I can use both horizontally and vertically, and I'll post some pictures of the setup in another day or two. My test magnets arrived today, so everything is coming together. Before I run tests on my design, I figured that I would try a few simple MYLOW tests, since my setup is already well suited for that. I'm using a junked 26 inch steel bicycle wheel that I picked up free last week for the rotor base. The wheel rim was bent, the axle was bent, the bearings aren't good, and the rim had some rust on it, but it does rotate so I can't complain. I like to use free or inexpensive parts whenever possible for testing ideas. I figure that if I can get this wheel to turn then a good wheel will work all the better. I'll post a parts list along with the photos, and give all dimensions for my test stand in case anyone wants to build one similarly.

Rick