Self Charging Battery

[Raui]

Okay well reading the thread here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=2620

Prompted me to disclose my idea of the self charging battery. The idea first occurred to me when I was watching EFTV, part 7 I believe. John Bedini was explaining how he believes his batteries are charged. He said that the high voltage spike from the coil 'sucked' ions back so they were actually recharging the battery. This was due to charge.

So what if I was to make a simple battery with a voltalic cell immersed in lead acid and two electrodes. On one of the electrodes would be an electret to attract the ions back to where they were. For those having troubles visualising how this would work think of what happens when you rub a balloon on your chest when your wearing say a woolen jumper. The balloon is charged and can attract objects like pieces of paper. Another way of thinking of this is when you charge an object (we'll just say a perspex rod this time) and hold it to a stream of running water. The stream of water bends around your charged object.

I would try this out but I can't make an electret as I blew my HV supply up All comments on this idea would be appreciated

Raui

[Inquorate]

Suggestion

Hv charge ; ignition coil, diode, Tip35c transistor, relay self oscillator. Need hv diodes for bridge rectifier and hv cap to smooth out dc for electret.

Watch bodkin's last video, might be similar to what you're saying.

[Raui]

I'll need to get some high voltage diodes to try that out. Its about time I get some new diodes. Does anyone know where I can buy HV diodes (say microwave diodes) in Australia for cheap. The ones I had were ripped out of old microwaves. Yes I do suppose that both Bodkin's demonstration and my idea have common ground

Raui

[Inquorate]

Hv diodes in australia

I looked and I looked and I looked. Couldn't find any so got come thru ebay. Haven't used them though. Where are you in australia raui? If you promise to make me an electret (see dmonarch's electrophorous thread) and send it to me wrapped in Alfoil, I'll send you 4 15kv diodes, 3kv hv caps, almost a kilo of Carnauba wax, 100g of beeswax. All you'd need is ignition coil, relay and rosin. They treat violin wands with it...

Anyhoo, pm me your address and I'll send it. I'm too busy with veljko oscillator at the moment and it's all just sitting there.

[Raui]

Cheers Inquorate. I sent you a PM about the matter. To let everyone else know whats going on. I am a little busy at the moment and I don't want to stuff it up and waste Inquorate's money/time. Therefore I'm not going to pursue his offer until I can dedicate more time to this project.

Raui

[SL3]

Self Charging Battery

Thanks for the invite, Raui.

I must confess, however, I know very little about electrets. Much of the EE and EEE experimentation that goes on here is considerably new to me at times. Other times not. My background is mostly in aviation, aircraft maintenance (like electrician & mechanical work for large systems), aero & mechanical engineering (where electricity is a classic weak area, though satellite and spacecraft electrical were a gig), various modern physics issues, emerging science & technology things in general. For all I like to think that I know, there's a whole world of things I really don't know much about. Electrets are one of them, and thank you for pointing them out to me. In my life, we have barely crossed paths.

Just a couple notes:

1) Have you studied John Hutchison's petroelectric cells? He claimed to be gathering a bunch of common rocks. He'd crush them up into powder for maximum surface area. I think cooking was a part of the process, as I recall, on his stove? Then, he'd pulse them with high voltage to fuze things. All these microscopic Casimir plates of mineral structure he seemed to be creating. Self charging batteries. Quartz I am pretty certain was one ingredient. He claimed to have studied the Egyptian pyramids, and, when you study those, there are some materials that come to mind for testing. The common construction materials at the time. Not just limestone, but a greyish blue rock. I forget the name at the moment. Have it in my notes. Was common, as was granite. You could try it with various stones, I'm sure. Has less to do with the material and more to do with the Casimir plate distances between the minerals, I suspect.

2) I'd have to file through my notes to recall the name and U.S. Patent number, so let me know if you're interested and I'll tell you. But, I was reviewing several weeks ago a kind of petroelectric, selfcharging cell developed...I think it was in Austria? Or Poland? Somewhere out there. The cells were made from Quartz wrapped in aluminum. Was like a rolled capacitor with quartz as the medium. Self charging; Drawing energy from the vacuum the way a crystal radio oscillator does. If you were to use high temperature metal as the conductor there and then heat up the quartz with a torch.....I imagine you could get some pretty high voltage out of it, considering that heated quartz will give you high voltage sufficient for nuke weapons triggering. Likewise, if we were to run the high voltage aerials to that quartz capacitor, I wonder what their temperature change would be like! Maybe you could use that as a heating element to cheaply heat homes? Use little Bedini fan motors to blow hot air? Stuff like that. Or, what if we concentrate solar energy through a lens and heat the quartz? Then, you'd have some pretty high voltage solar cells!

Okay, so, what if we pulverize quartz into powder and put that into a capacitor form under concentrated solar energy or other thermal sources? You'd have maybe a powerful and cheap solar cell along with also an interesting thermocouple?

I have several big rocks of quartz here. If I get the chance tomorrow, this weekend, or next week... I'll try to drill press some holes and install some screws and/ or solder at opposite ends of each rock. Heat it up with my welding torch and log some voltage data. We'll see if there's any potential between posts. From there, I think the easiest exploration would be to obtain a couple square inches of quartz powder and make capacitor rolls from them.

Interesting would also be to make asymmetrical capacitor rolls from them. If you want to try that, let me know and I'll send you some optimized electrokinetic lifter data for maximum lift. I have a rolled capacitor design here, rather than these tin foil and wire / toothpick constructs. Would be interesting to roll in a quartz powder between the Aluminum foil and see what kind of action, if any, we can measure among applied high voltage. Would add weight and temperature, and probably not be very efficient in lift at all. But would be interesting to see -- at least in regard to the asymmetric capacitor's drawing of energy from the Vacuum.

Like how pine cones and eggs convert gravity into voltage due to shape asymmetry is what I'm thinking there. You can make capacitors of quartz/ aluminum and have your self-charging battery that behaves more like a crystal radio. But, what would happen if you make that battery/ capacitor asymmetric? I think you'd see even higher voltage. Voltage that is continually replenished. How many amps can you draw from that? Oh, I guess it would depend upon the size of the plates and their number ...or total capacitor design factors. But, yeah, you should be able to make super capacitors from that. Super, super duper capacitors Self charging capacitors. Imagine the possibilities!