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  • #16
    Originally posted by wpage View Post
    Why not ressurect Enron too!
    Enron is an interesting one, too:

    John-Loftus.com

    "Loftus asserts that the Enron block, which remained in force from January 2001 until August 2001 when the pipeline deal collapsed, is the reason that none of FBI agent Rowley’s requests for investigations were ever approved. As numerous British and French authors have concluded, the information provided by European intelligence sources prior to 9/11 was so extensive, that it is no longer possible for either CIA or the FBI to assert a defense of incompetence.

    It is time for Congress to face the truth: In order to give Enron one last desperate chance to complete the Taliban pipeline and save itself from bankruptcy, senior levels of US intelligence were ordered to keep their eyes shut and their subordinates ignorant.

    The Enron cover-up confirms that 9/11 was not an intelligence failure or a law enforcement failure (at least not entirely). Instead, it was a foreign policy failure of the highest order. If Congress ever combines its Enron investigation with 9/11, Cheney’s whole house of cards will collapse. "

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    • #17
      Until greed is eradicated, regargless of the form of money, there will be an economic imbalance. If toilette paper was money, somebody would hog it all until the economy went bust. Initially the value would skyrocket. then it would return to where it really should have been once they roll out more to make up for the deficit.

      If everyone had a gold mine gold would be worthless. It will always happen. When the amount of currency outgrows the economy backing it, it's relative value drops.

      All of our problems were stemmed out of greed. Now tell me where a solution for that is. Energy is only one side of the equation. Our sewage plants process and burn methane gas just to prevent it fron entering the environment as methane and then they chemically sterilize the sewage and dump it in the river. Make you a sewage digester tank. collect the gas off the top and then use the composted sewage to fertilize your garden. use the gas to heat your home/water or make electricity. You can make everything you need. But once everybody has what they need, it becomes worthless. There is no fair distribution of wealth because if everyone has it it's not wealth. Just like playing in the sand box. You can move it from one pile to the other, you can even build stuff, but if you take it out of the box it's gone and you gotta buy more. The economic system is flawed because it is finite in a growing population.

      bottom line is yes people have to die to correct the problem so the sand they took can go back to the box. better choice is control the birth rate. The stages of an economic system are the same regardless. Introduction, acceptance, growth, maturity, and decline. I don't want to work for the other man. I have the most precious resource in the world...time. Used wisely, I will gain. Other wise I will end up with nothing.

      The wisest man in history was socrates. He was wise because he knew that he knew nothing.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by redeagle View Post
        Until greed is eradicated, regargless of the form of money, there will be an economic imbalance. If toilette paper was money, somebody would hog it all until the economy went bust. Initially the value would skyrocket. then it would return to where it really should have been once they roll out more to make up for the deficit.

        If everyone had a gold mine gold would be worthless. It will always happen. When the amount of currency outgrows the economy backing it, it's relative value drops.

        All of our problems were stemmed out of greed. Now tell me where a solution for that is. Energy is only one side of the equation. Our sewage plants process and burn methane gas just to prevent it fron entering the environment as methane and then they chemically sterilize the sewage and dump it in the river. Make you a sewage digester tank. collect the gas off the top and then use the composted sewage to fertilize your garden. use the gas to heat your home/water or make electricity. You can make everything you need. But once everybody has what they need, it becomes worthless. There is no fair distribution of wealth because if everyone has it it's not wealth. Just like playing in the sand box. You can move it from one pile to the other, you can even build stuff, but if you take it out of the box it's gone and you gotta buy more. The economic system is flawed because it is finite in a growing population.

        bottom line is yes people have to die to correct the problem so the sand they took can go back to the box. better choice is control the birth rate. The stages of an economic system are the same regardless. Introduction, acceptance, growth, maturity, and decline. I don't want to work for the other man. I have the most precious resource in the world...time. Used wisely, I will gain. Other wise I will end up with nothing.

        The wisest man in history was socrates. He was wise because he knew that he knew nothing.
        The point I think you're missing is that free energy frees people from the enslavement grid that is the current economic system. When everyone has everything they need, wealth isn't destroyed, it is amplified because now we can all be creators rather than just consumers. We no longer have to spend the majority of our time simply trying to provide enough of the basics for survival: food, water, health care, shelter, etc. Our time can then be spent pursuing the other aspects of awareness to evolve our consciousness beyond sustenance. Some people can do that now, but most people cannot.

        IMO, all our problems stem from EGO and desire for control (e.g. power over others). Greed serves a higher master: "Power" For once you get past a certain point in ownership, excess money and wealth grants you power over others under the current paradigm. If/when free energy technology is let out of Pandora's box, the current paradigm will fall. The elite's ruling time is at it's end and we're witnessing the fall.

        Peace, Love & Light to ALL,
        ~ Golden Mean

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Golden Mean View Post
          The point I think you're missing is that free energy frees people from the enslavement grid that is the current economic system. When everyone has everything they need, wealth isn't destroyed, it is amplified because now we can all be creators rather than just consumers. We no longer have to spend the majority of our time simply trying to provide enough of the basics for survival: food, water, health care, shelter, etc. Our time can then be spent pursuing the other aspects of awareness to evolve our consciousness beyond sustenance. Some people can do that now, but most people cannot.

          IMO, all our problems stem from EGO and desire for control (e.g. power over others). Greed serves a higher master: "Power" For once you get past a certain point in ownership, excess money and wealth grants you power over others under the current paradigm. If/when free energy technology is let out of Pandora's box, the current paradigm will fall. The elite's ruling time is at it's end and we're witnessing the fall.

          Peace, Love & Light to ALL,
          TINSTAAFL...eliminating the need for the power grid is only part of the solution. But It won't create a better economic system by it self because somebody has to supply the parts to build the devices. And depending on where you live, you have to buy at least some food. Even if you are bartering for your necessities and beyond, you are still trapped by some level of economic system.

          I see your point. The people should ban to together and bring the free energy revolution to reality. Yes it has the capability to make some great changes. Yes they need to be made because oil won't last forever and nuclear has toxic waste, but it will also create a mass of unemployment in certain industries.

          Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture. You can't create something from nothing. And you have to pay for your inputs. It may not be cash. After all your time is your most precious resource. If you are happy working for the man...then who cares. If you have an economic system you are stuck in it, other wise you have to live a minimalist life style that borderlines on primitivism.

          Internet doesn't grow on trees, try having it without an economy.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Golden Mean View Post
            The point I think you're missing is that free energy frees people from the enslavement grid that is the current economic system. When everyone has everything they need, wealth isn't destroyed, it is amplified because now we can all be creators rather than just consumers. We no longer have to spend the majority of our time simply trying to provide enough of the basics for survival: food, water, health care, shelter, etc. Our time can then be spent pursuing the other aspects of awareness to evolve our consciousness beyond sustenance. Some people can do that now, but most people cannot.

            IMO, all our problems stem from EGO and desire for control (e.g. power over others). Greed serves a higher master: "Power" For once you get past a certain point in ownership, excess money and wealth grants you power over others under the current paradigm. If/when free energy technology is let out of Pandora's box, the current paradigm will fall. The elite's ruling time is at it's end and we're witnessing the fall.

            Peace, Love & Light to ALL,

            I agree, I have been following the whole crash for some time now, and in 1998 when they did away with the Glass Segal act that was the start of the end of the US as we know it. Then they threw Oklahama city at us, nexted 9/11, all of them stagged. Notice Pres. Obama didn't overturn Bushes signing of the North American Union, so their plans still stand, just got delayed some how.



            h2opower.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by h20power View Post
              I agree, I have been following the whole crash for some time now, and in 1998 when they did away with the Glass Segal act that was the start of the end of the US as we know it. Then they threw Oklahama city at us, nexted 9/11, all of them stagged. Notice Pres. Obama didn't overturn Bushes signing of the North American Union, so their plans still stand, just got delayed some how.



              h2opower.
              @ H2OPower

              I agree... The US dollar will fall soon and the Amero will be introduced, like the Euro
              "If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it." - Albert Einstein


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              • #22
                Originally posted by redeagle View Post
                TINSTAAFL...eliminating the need for the power grid is only part of the solution. But It won't create a better economic system by it self because somebody has to supply the parts to build the devices. And depending on where you live, you have to buy at least some food. Even if you are bartering for your necessities and beyond, you are still trapped by some level of economic system.

                I see your point. The people should ban to together and bring the free energy revolution to reality. Yes it has the capability to make some great changes. Yes they need to be made because oil won't last forever and nuclear has toxic waste, but it will also create a mass of unemployment in certain industries.

                Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture. You can't create something from nothing. And you have to pay for your inputs. It may not be cash. After all your time is your most precious resource. If you are happy working for the man...then who cares. If you have an economic system you are stuck in it, other wise you have to live a minimalist life style that borderlines on primitivism.

                Internet doesn't grow on trees, try having it without an economy.
                You are right, eliminating the need for the power grid does not create a better economic system and certainly not by itself. The problem with the current economic system is that it is controlled by the most greedy persons in the world, like the Rockefellers, the Morgans, the DuPonts and the other families behind the American central banking cartel, the Fed. That's right, we have a privately owned cartel running the most important financial institution of the world, the US central bank. And they run it in their interest, not ours!

                But these guys not only run the bank, they also run the most important companies in the world, especially the "military industrial complex" president Eisenhower warned for in his goodbye speech. It is exactly this crowd who is directly responsible for the fact we don't have free energy now, even though Tesla invented that more then a 100 years ago. Why? Because they deliberately suppressed Tesla's work. And they did so very thoroughly, according to none less then Thom Bearden:

                Site:LRP:The Deliberate Curtailment of Nikola Tesla's Primary Energy Source - PESWiki

                "Accordingly, to finance his dream of capturing free electrical energy from the active medium (from the vacuum/spacetime), Tesla had to turn to Morgan for financing. Morgan cynically agreed to finance Tesla (and the free energy project), but only after Tesla agreed to sign over 51% controlling interest in all his (Tesla’s) inventions. Tesla signed the agreement, and Morgan gave him about half of the money needed for the project at Long Island.

                But Morgan had put Tesla in an iron trap from which there was no escape. He now controlled all Tesla’s inventions and their use, so he had Tesla paralyzed in that respect. And then later he simply refused to give Tesla the rest of the money needed to finish the project.

                Consequently Tesla was halted. He declined financially and went totally bankrupt. He became totally destitute, reduced to living in a hotel room on the good graces of the hotel and a small patron or two. He never recovered from this absolute destitution until his death in 1943.

                Thus Morgan totally crushed Tesla with an iron hand, thereby permanently removing Tesla as an unacceptable threat to Morgan’s empire and removing Tesla’s threat of producing and giving away free energy from the active medium.

                All the above is well-known. But there is another part of the story that has escaped recognition. And that strange part of Morgan’s actions has profoundly affected all humanity and this entire planet and biosphere for more than a century."

                So, the current economic system is all about power and the abuse of power. It is "defective by design", it is crafted in such a way that it above all benefits the people who have the most, those have the most resources and power. And these are ruthless people. They live to an ideology which comes awfully close to the ideology of Hitler and his nazism.

                Or better said: Hitlers ideology did not fall out of the sky. He got his inspiration from none less then Henry Ford, a well known industrialist, who undoubtedly got his inspiration from the so-called Eugenics movement, once wide spread also in the US and supported by a.o. the Harrimans. And this ideology is very old. It is the same ideology that is responsible for the enslavement of countless African people as well as for the genocide committed against native Americans. Nazism really was nothing new, were it not for the gigantic scale and "efficiency" it was enacted.

                Point is: the monsters that actually created nazism are still running the world. Still running "wall street", the "military industrial complex" and the "power grid"....

                What these guys are up to, is not much good. They want a "New World Order" in which they control the worlds population and reduce the world population to about 1 billion people, since that would make more then enough slaves for them. Interestingly, Thomas Bearden already wrote about this NWO in 1995:

                http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shad.../poynting.html

                "Personally, however, I believe that the accelerated time schedule for the "New World Order"-- now set for the year 2000 -- is as a result of the imminent advent of (1) superluminal communication (we at CTEC are going to file a patent on that as well), and (2) overunity electrical energy systems. There has to be almost a police state existing in the world, if this "new electromagnetics" is to be forcibly put back under control and buried. It appears now that such a police state is imminent, both here in the U.S. and worldwide. Let us hope that the conspirators fail, and that common sense somehow resurrects and stops that nonsense. That is one reason why nets and bulletin boards are so important. It is the only way that the truth is getting through these days at all.

                So please keep up the good work; it is most important to release and disseminate all that one can, so that the information is not lost when the lid clamps tightly shut."

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