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  • Fuel-less combustion of AIR !!!

    I don't know what to say... I'm blown away.
    I would have thought someone would have
    told me I didn't need ANY FUEL to run my
    internal combustion engine !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No special Spark Plug or Spark required, it seems.
    Please tell me it isn't so... Wake Me Up and tell me I'm dreaming.

    The fuel-less combustion mode was provided by air procession and carburetor
    setting to lean mixture without any changes of the engine’s construction.
    The fuel-less air combustion mode (autothermia) requires no constructional
    changes of an internal-combustion engine
    while the energy production process
    PTHK is the same as during standard combustion using fuel as an electron donor.
    During autothermal combustion, air electrons are used, this is why fuel is not
    necessary. In order to provide for the autothermia mode, it is necessary only to
    set some auxiliary systems and equipment elements.

    Air moisture load is an important factor. In summer, at a temperature, for
    example, +25C and a relative humidity of 50%, air moisture load is 10 g/kg
    (tem grams of water in the form of vapor per a kilogram of air), i.e. it is 1%,
    according to mass. At the same temperature and relative humidity of 100%,
    air moisture load (of saturated air) increases to 20 g/kg, i.e. to 2%. In
    summer, air is dry. Its moisture load decreases by 1-2 orders, i.e. to one
    tenth and one hundredth of a percent. In moist air, not only molecules of
    nitrogen and air oxygen giving electrons decompose to atoms but also
    moisture. A water monocrystal is a chain of molecules connected by
    connection electrons: during its decomposition, 3,760 electrons are released
    at once (an electron per each molecule). During water molecules
    decomposition, another two electrons are released per each molecule. So, it
    is three electrons per molecule or, which is the same, an electron per 6
    atomic mass units. During petrol decomposition, it is approximately an electron
    per 4 atomic mass units. As we can see, fuel and water are almost the same,
    according to efficiency of their use as fuel for combustion. Air is behind them
    because, during its decomposition, approximately 16 amu per an electron
    which became free energy generator are released. However, both air and
    water, unlike fuel, contain a sufficient number of oxygen atoms and,
    therefore, they can combust spontaneously because their plasma contains
    everything which is necessary for PTHK: both oxygen atoms and electrons.
    WHAT IS PTHK?
    Electrinos with a high start speed (~1016 m/s) give their
    kinetic energy remotely (electro-dynamically) and by contact (during clashes)
    to surrounding atoms and particles and turn into photons (energy-less electrino)
    themselves and go from the reaction zone into space at the speed of light (~108 m/s).
    This energy liberation process is called a phase transfer of the highest kind (PTHK).
    Source: New Energy Technologies the MAGAZINE issue #23 page 77
    Article Autothermia Natural energy
    Prof. E.I. Andreyev,
    Saint Petersburg, Russia
    +7-812-238-1688

    Is this real or am I dreaming?
    Comments PLEASE
    Randy

    Does this mean we have be buying AIR to run in our ICE?
    Remember to be kind to your mind ...
    Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

  • #2
    I read that article right after it was published. I made several enquiries every time I was in Russia. I didn't manage to get any useful info. Supposedly there is a patent issued in Ukraine regarding that technology however nothing of consequence can be found in there. It's all pretty theoretical although inventors claim they produced working prototype. IMO if their theory is correct it's quite possible but I really would like to see the prototype or some kind of schematic in order to evaluate it.
    http://www.nequaquamvacuum.com/en/en...n/alt-sci.html
    http://www.neqvac.com

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lighty View Post
      I read that article right after it was published. I made several enquiries every time I was in Russia. I didn't manage to get any useful info. Supposedly there is a patent issued in Ukraine regarding that technology however nothing of consequence can be found in there. It's all pretty theoretical although inventors claim they produced working prototype. IMO if their theory is correct it's quite possible but I really would like to see the prototype or some kind of schematic in order to evaluate it.
      Thanks for your insight and option ..

      Lighty, if you could, re-read this article ..
      Things tend to "click" or fall into place and you "see" things you didn't see the
      first time. That is later after time passes and there's a gathering of other sources of information.

      Oxygen explodes ..
      the fuel (gasoline) only catalyzes the explosion?
      This is why the GEET by Paul Pantone works , because it is really just running on oxygen?
      Is a GEET your prototype ?

      These patents were in the article.
      Patent RU 2229619 : A method of fuel-air miixture preparation and a device for its realization.
      Patent RU 2229620 : A device for processing of airfuel mixture’s air.
      Patent # 2179649 from 25.07.2000. F 02 G 1/02, F 02 M 27/04.
      A method of increase of working medium energy for yield production.

      References for the article:
      1. E.I. Andreiev and others. Natural energy. – SPb: Nestor, 2002.
      2. E.I. Andreiev and others. Natural energy2. – SPb: Nevskaya zhemchuzhina, 2002.
      3. E.I. Andreiev. Calculation of heat and mass exchange in contact machines. – L.: Energoatomizdat, 1985.
      4. E.I. Andreiev. A mechanism of gas heat mass exchange with liquid. – L.: Energoatomizdat, 1990.
      5. D.H. Baziev. Fundamentals of the united physics theory. – M.: Pedagogika, 1994.
      6. D.H. Baziev. Earth’s electricity. – M. Kommercheskiye tekhnologii, 1997.
      7. D.H. Baziev. Charge and mass of photon. – M.: Pedagogika, 2001.
      8. A.V. Chistov. A method of energy generation. Positive decision on issue of a patent for an invention, according to the patent application # 94010375 from 24.03.94.
      9. “Paradox” magazine, # 9, 2002.
      10. E.I. Andreiev. Fundamentals of natural energy. – SPb: Nevskaya zhemchuzhina, 2004.

      I'm not willing to let it go just yet.
      It isn't like running on but it's real close.
      Remember to be kind to your mind ...
      Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

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      • #4
        Nope, those guys don't have anything to do with Pantone's GEET. As I said I haven't seen any schematic and their descriptions in the patents were very, very vague. I don't know what more to tell you about that.
        http://www.nequaquamvacuum.com/en/en...n/alt-sci.html
        http://www.neqvac.com

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        • #5
          Originally posted by lighty View Post
          Nope, those guys don't have anything to do with Pantone's GEET. As I said I haven't seen any schematic and their descriptions in the patents were very, very vague. I don't know what more to tell you about that.
          I don't really know much about the GEET except you can empty the refrigerator condiments into the tank and it keeps running.
          These guys are using oxygen as the fuel, I was not trying to say they were using a GEET method or device.
          I was trying to say, maybe the GEET works because it is using the same fuel as these guys, oxygen.
          Therefore, if the GEET is using oxygen as fuel, then a inspection of it might give you the insight to the process these guys are using.
          Remember to be kind to your mind ...
          Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

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          • #6
            confirmation from different man

            Victor Schauberger
            The Energy Evolution - Harnessing Free Energy from Nature
            Petrol (Gasoline) From Water
            From Spec. Ed. of Mensch und Technik, Vol. 2, 1993, Section 9.0 (Notes from January 1936).
            ...
            Under this reciprocal intensification the introduced substances begin to dissociate, during which process the water temperature slowly drops to +4°C (39.2°F). This temperature level must be maintained by injecting the gases alternately during which the pressure-gauge fluctuates slightly. This is a sign that the water has begun to breathe and pulsate properly. Should over-pressure occur, it is indicative of a progressive development of heat, whereas an underpressure signifies a strong increase in CO2. Here the danger of an explosion is incipient, which can be averted if the temperature of the water can be maintained at +4°C (+39.2°F). This can be regulated simply by adjusting the inflow of oxygen. The addition of very small quantities of oil or other fatty-matter increases the valence of the mixture, but also the danger of explosion. For this reason the introduction of these substances is not advisable at the beginning.

            If no reactions of any kind are evident, and if all the ingredients have been completely dissolved, then the mixture should be allowed to stand for about two hours, during which time the temperature must always be maintained at +4°C (+39.2°F). This is most easily achieved in a cellar where such temperatures prevail. Where a good cellar is available, however, the whole thing can be simplified, because the process described above need only be inaugurated with a few alternating injections of O and CO2. The whole can then be left to ferment, a process sufficiently well-understood in the preparation of wine or cider. In this instance, however, in the initial stages of the process, the contents should be stirred around gently with a well-insulated mixing-device on which a zinc or silver scoop has been mounted on one side and a copper one on the other. The external closure can be effected with a mercury seal or by the insertion of a compression ring.

            The content of introduced CO2, however, must exceed 90% and proportions similar to those found in the water of all good mountain springs must exist in the end-mixture, although here we are concerned with substantially different products of solution than those found in springwater. In principle, however, there is no difference between them. In this regard it is necessary for those substances that have evolved under the influences of light to be decomposed in darkness and a drop in temperature or vice versa. Through these alternating processes of decomposition, structures of alternate character are formed by mutually opposing influences. This arising and passing away is triggered artificially and reciprocally intensified until a complete solution results, ultimately arriving at the synthesis intended.

            With warming and having undergone an end-reaction, the finished mixture has a slight smell of petrol, but does not burn. However, if this mixture is descending piston, then an explosion occurs. We have thereby achieved what we wanted, namely a mixture of explosive water, which is an exceptionally stable and safe substance, but which produces a higher dynamic effect in the pistonengine than the product obtained through the distillation of crude oil we call 'petrol' (gasoline). Electromagnetic ignition is superfluous and by means of this process we have produced a substance that can be used in diesel-engines.
            Just realize, this look closer to New Zealand's Steve Ryan biofuel than air combustion
            Last edited by sucahyo; 03-20-2009, 06:05 AM.

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            • #7
              Combining hot moisture with liquid nitrogen would cause a tornado-level reaction explosion {without combustion}. I wonder how Russian researchers found out? => Steam Replace Gasoline? Never? Never Just Arrived! b July 12 2003 has a preliminary picture showing atoms colliding inside a cylinder (from 2003).

              You would think American dumbkoffs would have figured it out first.

              Looks like imitation fuel to me. Perhaps we could even call it "Physics Fuel".

              Imitation Energy (since it does not use combustion) ???

              Hmm. You should see it after I finalized design features in early 2008...
              Last edited by CloudSeeder; 03-20-2009, 12:07 PM. Reason: Looks like imitation fuel to me. Perhaps we could even call it "Physics Fuel" of Imitation Energy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CloudSeeder View Post
                Combining hot moisture with liquid nitrogen would cause a tornado-level reaction explosion {without combustion}. I wonder how Russian researchers found out? => has a preliminary picture showing atoms colliding inside a cylinder (from 2003).

                You would think American dumbkoffs would have figured it out first.

                Looks like imitation fuel to me. Perhaps we could even call it "Physics Fuel".

                Imitation Energy (since it does not use combustion) ???

                Hmm. You should see it after I finalized design features in early 2008...
                That link in the post is auto-magically (at least it would seem to most)
                opening a file download dialog box for a file called:Engines_that_Breathe_and_Use_Water_like_Tre es_eml.zip

                It took me a while to see in the javascript code of all the web pages at that
                domain name is trying to FORCE any visitor to download this file by automatically,
                without any user interaction, opening by opening a download dialog box ...

                The offending HTML within the web pages is:
                Code:
                <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="12;URL=http://www.newpath4.com/Engines_that_Breathe_and_Use_Water_like_Trees_eml.zip">
                Removal of this single line in all web pages would stop the offending activity of the javascript code I am speaking about.

                This seems to download with any browser if the user Refreshes the web page.

                I don't even need to ask why, I only need to say it is not right to do so.

                This is bound to created great confusion as it did for myself initially.

                I strongly suggest you stop including links to that web site in your postings.
                Last edited by Vortex; 03-20-2009, 10:07 PM. Reason: Refreshes comment
                Remember to be kind to your mind ...
                Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the advice but since I added that download (that is easily refused) my website Hits have increased dramatically. For now it stays put. My information is not just directed to white anglo saxon proper people. My engine has importance to all people not the least of which are Native Americans. They have been on the watch for several hundred years, waiting for me to get here and show how to make a natural engine that respects the Earth.

                  No one is being "forced" to download a voluntary-accept or -deny zip file. How silly. Not to mention it guy but I have several hundred web pages online and that particular offer of that file is only on a few of them, so your telling other posters here that I have done it to all my web pages well, you have made a deliberate slander.

                  I have posted on other "Energy Forum" boards like this one before. It has been my experience there are always people around slyly representing the Crude Oil industry, or Natural Gas industry, who are on their Payroll. They watch for me too. They watch for anybody who comes close to actually solving anything and they are the first to jump my case.

                  So unless you can & do prove otherwise I will now consider Vortex to be employed by the Crude Oil companies. I have avoided making posts to my pages but as soon as I did there you were ready to slander me all over the board with false accusations. I am sure the system admins on Energetics will see your attempt to banish me very clearly.

                  Your attempt glares at me particularly brightly because that Zip file ONLY pops up on my homepage
                  and I did NOT direct anyone to my homepage. You sir Vortex went looking for it looking to find
                  something, anything you could drag back on here and attempt to shut up the CloudSeeder.

                  Yeah. I've met your friends on other boards alright. Go tell them you found me.
                  Last edited by CloudSeeder; 03-20-2009, 11:12 PM.

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                  • #10
                    @CloudSeeder

                    If mods here decide to ban you it will be because you behave in most paranoid and rude way.
                    http://www.nequaquamvacuum.com/en/en...n/alt-sci.html
                    http://www.neqvac.com

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                    • #11
                      You aren't being followed all over the Internet. I have people trying to shut me down. I owe them nothing but rude. I treated Vortex with exceptional Respect, even called him Sir. I do not let everybody walk all over me for Sport... nor so they can earn an additional Oil Company bonus for ratting out my inventions.

                      Are you guys even men? You sure are sensitive. Maybe you should lighten up on the wife's pills.
                      Last edited by CloudSeeder; 03-20-2009, 11:46 PM.

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                      • #12
                        When somebody actually states something true around here call me. The javascript posted by VORTEX is not from the web page I referenced. HIS CLAIM WAS COMPLETELY FALSE AND EXAGGERATED.

                        Just because I am a newer member of this Forum does not automatically make me the bottom man. Slander from someone does not have to be met with flowers and candy.

                        I did nothing I was accused of and the downloads of any files is always VOLUNTARY. This is a bald-faced lie and I eventually expect an apology.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CloudSeeder View Post
                          Maybe you should lighten up on the wife's pills.
                          Maybe you shouldn't have lightened on your funny pills.

                          Listen, you don't know who and what some people of this forum went through in their lives regarding their research. You're not the center of the universe and if "higher powers" wanted to silence you up you would just wound up as a victim of suicide. The fact that you're rambling all over the internet around speaks volumes about how you're being "prosecuted".
                          http://www.nequaquamvacuum.com/en/en...n/alt-sci.html
                          http://www.neqvac.com

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                          • #14
                            Wow, you seem to know me so very intimately. They don't off me with a faked suicide because of my VISIBILITY, crankcase. Any one of them touches me the fingers all point back at them fool. Now, run along and play with somebody your own age.

                            In fact, I'll meet you better. They've had military people swapping through apartments on my floor looking like regular renters, stationed here to protect me.

                            And even further for your information I have been in near-constant contact with Chevron headquarters in California informing them of my progress so I could help them transition their fortunes away from Crude Oil over to my new technologies.

                            They know I am not their enemy.
                            Last edited by CloudSeeder; 03-21-2009, 12:13 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Oh great, and here I was thinking how I haven't seen any psychos around here lately. Please do play messiah being harassed by clandestine organisations- whatever makes you happy. It's EOD for me. And luckily there is ignore option on this forum. Phew, what a relief.
                              Last edited by lighty; 03-21-2009, 12:36 AM.
                              http://www.nequaquamvacuum.com/en/en...n/alt-sci.html
                              http://www.neqvac.com

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