Magnetic water softener

[sucahyo]

Interesting, I just learning what water softening is. It is interesting how a magnet can change the property of water. If magnet purposes is to attact / repel something inside water. I think it is more effective to make a water splitter, where magnetic content is directed to different output.

If magnet purposes is to change the property of water it self, it may be better to flow the water around more in magnetic flux.

But, I think magnetic can also be replaced with physical process too, involving water self spinning.


Johansson Et Al - Self-Organizing Flow Technology - In Viktor Schauberger's Footsteps (2002)

At an experiment at Paltrask water supply in 1990, Aquagyro discovered that their agitator seemed to facilitate precipitation of iron and manganese ions [7]. An hyperbolic vessel of the height of about 1m, with an Aquagyro stirring device inside, had been placed in a tank with the volume of 3m3. During the treatment precipitated iron could be observed in the tank. At the following filtration of the water in a gravel filter, manganese ions precipitated to a large extent, which the traditional treatment (with compressed air) didn't achieve. The iron concentration of the treated water at analysis was found to be the same as that of untreated water, but iron in the sample didn't precipitate when subjected to pressure airing, which was considered remarkable. The humus concentration of the water was high, and it was speculated that iron could have become organically bound.
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At an earlier experiment at Nordmaling in 1987, a decrease of Mn and NO2 ions had been observed. An experiment at Vistbacken water supply, with its extremely high concentration of iron in the water, had shown an efficient precipitation of iron by the process (more efficient than the traditional pressure airing, as opposed to the results from the experiments at Paltrask) and also a decrease of the manganese concentration [7].

@Amigo, egg shaped container mentioned again .

[future pather]

I think this is the reason why I've had such trouble with eco friendly automatic dish washing detergents.

I hate to use anything else but it seemed to waste a lot of water re-washing so I gave up a long time ago.

I guess I need to try a water softener.

It seems I'm not alone in my dilemma:

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[amigo]

@Amigo, egg shaped container mentioned again .

...and I'm still waiting on it myself, but I think I should hear back next week or so to start the process.

[Stealth]

Today I installed Radio Shack magnets 2x1x1/2, on each side of my water heater, inlet and outlet. North to North. I drew a cup of water before installing and afterwards. Both were equal size glasses. I then did my tests, taste first, then suds. In taste tests the hard water before beat the softer water hands down. In each glass I put one drop of dishwashing liquid and stirred with a straw. The glass after applying the magnets seems to work better, with about twice as much suds. I am stisfied, so far as to how its working, but now I am wondering is stronger magnets would be even better. I will try some when I get time as resume my tests. I think the Radio Shack magnets are Strontium Ferrite. They are made of ceramic material, but no other composition is stamped on them.
Stealth

[Mark]

I've heard that soap with less suds will actually clean your clothes better. So I think all you have done is found a way to make more suds. But what do I know

[Mark]

Why not just run your water thru a charcole filter instead to try and catch the inpurities instead of breaking them up.

[Stealth]

I use a whole house charcoal filter, but it does nothing to soften the water. It only takes out dirt,sediment,sand and impurities big enough to be caught in a large micron filter. If you are on public utilities,then you have hard water. They run their water through a gravel pit to remove larger materials, then through sand to remove smaller particles, lastly they run through a lime pit to remove mud. It is this last process that makes your water hard.

[sigzidfit]

The ground water here is very hard, and causes many problems. Chief among them IMHO is corrosion. It takes about 4 years for it to whack out a hot water heater.

You can wrap a coil of wire around a water pipe and apply electricity to create a magnetic field. My dad uses something like that (and a conventional salt type softener also) and thinks it helps some. If you will google electronic water softener you'll see what I'm talkin about. They are stoopid expensive so if anyone could post a schematic and parts suggestions for a DIY on such a device I'd be very appreciative.

Recently my dad started using PYROLOX which is a filter media that filters iron. So far it seems to be working pretty good.

Another water softening system that looks promising to me is a vortex processing arrangement. Kind of a Viktor Schauberger inspired process.

From what I can tell, with really hard water it takes a combination methods to get much relief.

Peace
PJ

[Stealth]

Here is a website you might be interesed in DIY Magnetic Water Treatment Good luck.
Stealth

[sigzidfit]

It works the same way on a water pipe as it would on a gasoline line going to your car engine.

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Peace
PJ

[amigo]

Last week I was at the surplus store and I bought some N35 Neodymium button magnets to try the water softening. Today I mount them on the copper pipes in my bathroom and took samples of the water before and after.

I did not want to do the taste test myself as I was preconditioned to the ideas about magnets, so I had my girlfriend perform the test.

I gave her to taste the "after" water first and she liked it better than the "before" one, even though I did not tell her which one is which one. She even said she would drink the "after" water if she had to (we generally don't drink our tap water at all).

Next test was with the dish washing liquid, which appeared to dissolve much readily in the "after" water with less foaming and much clearer, larger bubbles than the "before" water that had thick white foam and lots of tiny bubbles.

We'll see tonight when we take the showers how the water feels on the skin for each of us. So far I am enthusiastic about the whole prospect of having such a simple yet effective solution.

[amigo]

Here is a website you might be interesed in DIY Magnetic Water Treatment Good luck.
Stealth

Hmm, in that link they have N-S oriented magnets and not N-N as it was suggested on the first page. Is there a difference you know?

[Stealth]

I don't know what the difference would be, as I haven't tried that setup yet. From what I've read about the magnetic water softeners, they seem to work best using a north to north alignment. Maybe they will also work as well in attractant as they do in repellant alignments. I have many more experiments to do on mine before I settle on the best magnets and alignment possible. Experimentation is the only way to know the truth. No experimentation, no matter how dissapointing, is not wasted. You can learn, not only from success, but also from failure. Good Luck. Stealth

[sucahyo]

Last week I was at the surplus store and I bought some N35 Neodymium button magnets to try the water softening. Today I mount them on the copper pipes in my bathroom and took samples of the water before and after.

You have copper pipe? how do you join them?

If this can be easily implemented, would you see if it also change the water property if you twisted the water flow? I currently use it for watering flower, but I think the result could only be determined in months. I attach copper with twisted mouth to water hose:

[amigo]

You have copper pipe? how do you join them?

If this can be easily implemented, would you see if it also change the water property if you twisted the water flow? I currently use it for watering flower, but I think the result could only be determined in months. I attach copper with twisted mouth to water hose:

Unfortunately I can not mess with the water system, as I live in an apartment building and I do not own the infrastructure.

External mods are ok, but changing pipes and stuff is not permitted, afaik.