Motor (no work required to move magnet pole)

[Matthew Jones]

Cheers
Matt

[Jbignes5]

Hi folks, Hi Jbigness, the motor link you posted with the 12 stator-24 stator total, 16 magnet rotor pole-32 magnet rotor total does appear to use the same principle of cancelling attraction and they are using the coils more efficiently although not as effectively as a dual rotor would by having magnets direct at coil faces, also the switching looks like it may be complex. But if it exceeds cop>1.0 thats all that matters and that it gets to the people. I'm in process of building my motor right now. Also Matthew thanks for the info. but could you also tell me in regards to the 1hp from 240watts test what rpm, ft.lbs, voltage, current and how the power was measured and how did you measure rpm. I'm only curious because i'll be having to do the same measurements. Thanks
peace love light

I understand there are some slight differences but if you read the info there is another side to the motor I believe. Coils on both sides and the rotor is the magnets in between the two. Very very simular design. I was just researching the most efficient designs on the web and happen to come across that so I just wanted you to know about it. Weather or not they get recovery is hard to tell but they are stackable from what the docs say. It seems even recovery is starting to filter it's way into production models now so it might be there but in the controller for the drives.

[Matthew Jones]

I'm sure they don't do any recovery but it probably has the potential to do it.

Matt

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi jbigness, its interesting because i built a motor almost identical to that apex design some time ago. Hi Matthew thanks for the info however im having a problem with your numbers or math, heres what i get.
if you were using a 7/8" dia wheel with the leather strap that means the wheel at 1200 rpm rotated at 4.4 feet per second and if we use your 9lbs measurement that works out to 39.6 ft.lbs. per second then 39.6/550=.072 HP or 53.7 Watts. And these formulas and methods were taken directly from Peter L. video. So what am i missing, what was your measurement with the fish scales. thanks
peace love light

[Matthew Jones]

Good luck
Matt

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Matthew, I'm not trying to debunk anything here, im only trying to verify your results as a comparison once i get mine running or what they call replication and all it entails. why you seem to be refusing to give me the measurement results from your fish scales at 1200 rpm is a mystery to me. So if you are indeed interested in helping then what was the measurement of the difference between the 2 fish scales at the 1200 rpm. and the formulas your using are not the issue, the issue is what is being input into the formulas. I am only interested in seeking the truth, i hope you are as well.
Thanks
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

One more thing, when you say you look at the radius between the power point and center of shaft only works for measurement if your using a lever off one side of the shaft to a scale, however you used 2 fish scales with a strap which in that case you have to measure the circumference of the wheel used with the strap, so based on your 7/8" dia. wheel thats how i got the 4.4 feet per second number and since (feet per second X ft.lbs.)=ft.lbs.per second gives us if you measured 9ft.lbs. on the fish scales thats (4.4 x 9 )=39.6 ft.lbs.per second.and now since one horsepower = 550 ft.lbs.per second we have
(39.6 ft.lbs. per second/ 550 ft.lbs. per second)= .072 HP or 53.7 Watts.
I hope that helps clear up any miscommunication we may be having.

[Matthew Jones]

I'm not refusing anything the difference between the scales according to my notes was 9 lbs (It is noted in the equation). This is the source of my frustration with your questioning. LOL I already gave it to you.
Now I am starting to feel like I might have got some things a little wrong. I am not above a mistake. In fact they happen quete often. So before I continue to talk numbers I want to retest.
I was mearly trying to point out my observation that a the even odd scenerio has advantages.

I'll be back.
Matt

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Matthew, Glad we cleared that up. Yes i think the odd-even principle should be more efficient and hope the motor im building proves it. I hope your tests go well, you know i prony braked a motor once and used a 1 foot piece of wood (with a clamp to tighten around shaft for resistnace) from center of shaft to power point where it met a digital kitchen scale and it seemed to work pretty good. hope to hear your results, im still working on my motor.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, just an update on motor construction. I've finished the rotors and the stator coils and stator plate. One thing i've changed for now is the stator it is now 3 stator coil/cores instead of the 4 shown in the cad pic, switching will be easier and the geometry still cancels all attraction sufficiently. Also as stated, this design is using dual rotors sandwiching the stator plate and my concerns over stablity are not an issue, the rotors rotation by hand and briefly energizing a coil is very smooth and very torquey even at 12V. Next step is to build the timing wheel with magnets embedded and mount hall switches then wire up the drive circuitry. for those interested.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, for those interested in this motor heres the new stator geometry that makes switching a little easier. The motor is built and ready to mount hall switches and wire circuitry.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

drive circuit correction

Hi folks, for those who may be interested the drive circuit had connections not needed linking all the pnp 2n3906 outputs, so i removed those and heres the correct circuit.

[Stealth]

This will work. This is how I test my magnetic motors to find out whether they will work or not. I hook up a 12 volt motor to my magnetic motor designs. I check the amps before hooking up to the magnetic motor. I know the no load amps the motor uses. Then I hook it up to a magnetic motor and see if the amperage drops. If the magnetic motor is working, then the amperage on the electric motor should drop. If amps don't drop, then you need to adjust your magnets. I hope this helps.Good Luck. Stealth