A 20-25% fuel saving reality check

[ashtweth]

According to the MIT research paper on their GEET variant "Plasmatron", (MIT uses electricity to create the plasma where the GEET is self generating)

"If average fuel efficiency of US fleet of cars and light duty vehicles is increased by 20%, yearly fuel savings would be 25 billion gallons of gasoline (equivalent to 70% of oil presently imported from the Middle East)"

A simple 20-25% saving can be done by a OPEN SOURCE basic booster system. Then add the co2 then add the hydrocarbons that could be reduced = public health. The only other modifications which are low cost and can cut the carbon foot print as or more significantly are are the Encopra,Retofit/SPAD (GEET variants are do now kits) and the GEET.

A friend in India recently told me that:

"I am right now in the state of Punjab in India, and there are millions of agricultural pumpsets using diesel and polluting. Since Power is in shortage, every business and household has his own 3/5 kw unit which create so much of noise and pollution that it is impossible to breathe."

Lets get them out there.
GEET
Hydroxy Gas

Ash

[Ozicell]

Geet

According to the MIT research paper on their GEET variant "Plasmatron", (MIT uses electricity to create the plasma where the GEET is self generating)

"If average fuel efficiency of US fleet of cars and light duty vehicles is increased by 20%, yearly fuel savings would be 25 billion gallons of gasoline (equivalent to 70% of oil presently imported from the Middle East)"

A simple 20-25% saving can be done by a OPEN SOURCE basic booster system. Then add the co2 then add the hydrocarbons that could be reduced = public health. The only other modifications which are low cost and can cut the carbon foot print as or more significantly are are the Encopra,Retofit/SPAD (GEET variants are do now kits) and the GEET.

A friend in India recently told me that:

"I am right now in the state of Punjab in India, and there are millions of agricultural pumpsets using diesel and polluting. Since Power is in shortage, every business and household has his own 3/5 kw unit which create so much of noise and pollution that it is impossible to breathe."

Lets get them out there.
GEET
Hydroxy Gas

Ash

Hi Ash,

I just watched the latest on Geet, very interesting - thanks!

Cheers
Ozi

[sucahyo]

I think spark plug need to be mentioned too.

unconvetional gadget that currently used in my bike are:
- magnet in fuel line
- spark plug with one electrode circleing other

I want to apply hydroxy, but unfortunately can't find space for it.

I already use magnet for many months now, I can feel the difference in engine power. But adding spark plug make bigger difference. It also reduce my fuel consumption to about 15%. The fuel saving is an estimate but I definitely feel the difference in the frequency of gas station visit.
YouTube - Three leg spark plug vs standard

The spark plug brand is Kagawa, K-7HSA. It has three leg that has electrode around the center electrode. It is originally sharp, so I sand it. As you can see in the video, the spark is rotating around.

This remind me about the lightning would not to try to strike the same place. Since everytime it hit the same place there would be more resistance the next time it strike. At ordinary spark plug this would appear as misfire after a couple of spark.

Without missfire, the engine rev much more smoothly. My bike can cruise at lower rpm and still has decent power than it usually is, lowering the fuel consumption more.

I think we should also introduce free energy kind of saving not just as fuel saving device, but also as power booster device. This may get more attention to people because some are prefer more power, and they might have the opinion that fuel saving equals to less power. While what we currently offer are the opposite, fuel saving with more power . My bike now has power equal to bike with 15% higher engine capacity with everything else standard.

[Stealth]

I agree, more electrodes mean more paths for the electricity to spark, lessening thee possibility of missfires. Also non resistor plugs allow more of the electric current to get to the plugs electrode. The hotter the spark, the more amperage is created. Amperage is what it takes to highly combust todays fuel. Also adding magnets on the fuel line help break up the hydrocarbons, so they ignite easier and more completely. Adding an air turbine also swirls the air to help in combustion. All these make power, and increase fuel mileage. Stealth

[sucahyo]

Adding an air turbine also swirls the air to help in combustion. All these make power, and increase fuel mileage. Stealth

My previous bike use this too, and it do increase power, although it seems to limit the top speed. After reading some of Viktor Schauberger work, I realize that it can be improved by utilizing an imploded way of swirling, where air would not be halted but accelerated instead. And since he use some kind of swirl mix to make water combust (inconsistent result), it should be possible to increase the fuel potential by doing some series of centripetal and centrifugal motion initialize with centripetal. Not just the air, we got more power from swirling the fuel too, who knows.

[tai61]

magnet fuel line

sucahyo, can you tell me the direction of polarity of magnets on fuel line , cheers tai

I think spark plug need to be mentioned too.

unconvetional gadget that currently used in my bike are:
- magnet in fuel line
- spark plug with one electrode circleing other

I want to apply hydroxy, but unfortunately can't find space for it.

I already use magnet for many months now, I can feel the difference in engine power. But adding spark plug make bigger difference. It also reduce my fuel consumption to about 15%. The fuel saving is an estimate but I definitely feel the difference in the frequency of gas station visit.
YouTube - Three leg spark plug vs standard

The spark plug brand is Kagawa, K-7HSA. It has three leg that has electrode around the center electrode. It is originally sharp, so I sand it. As you can see in the video, the spark is rotating around.

This remind me about the lightning would not to try to strike the same place. Since everytime it hit the same place there would be more resistance the next time it strike. At ordinary spark plug this would appear as misfire after a couple of spark.

Without missfire, the engine rev much more smoothly. My bike can cruise at lower rpm and still has decent power than it usually is, lowering the fuel consumption more.

I think we should also introduce free energy kind of saving not just as fuel saving device, but also as power booster device. This may get more attention to people because some are prefer more power, and they might have the opinion that fuel saving equals to less power. While what we currently offer are the opposite, fuel saving with more power . My bike now has power equal to bike with 15% higher engine capacity with everything else standard.

[sucahyo]

sucahyo, can you tell me the direction of polarity of magnets on fuel line , cheers tai

I don't think it is important. My friend who did thesis for it (and got approved ) use South opposing the fuel flow, which is what I use now. Many commercial product use pole perpendicullar to the fuel flow.

I think you will get more pronounce effect if you use more than one, in separate location if possible. But my friend found that he can notice the difference between one magnet and three magnet stacked together in his Kia Sephia.

The effect is not really much, it is more like using a higher grade fuel. You may need to tweak your fuel management or carburator to get even more power. I feel the engine power vs fuel/air ratio shift after I use magnet, half turn of external pilot jet on my bike.

[tai61]

fuel,mags

hi will taping barrow neos to the outside of fuelline do for experimental purposes, cheers tai

I don't think it is important. My friend who did thesis for it (and got approved ) use South opposing the fuel flow, which is what
I use now. Many commercial product use pole perpendicullar to the fuel flow.

I think you will get more pronounce effect if you use more than one, in separate location if possible. But my friend found that he can notice the difference between one magnet and three magnet stacked together in his Kia Sephia.

The effect is not really much, it is more like using a higher grade fuel. You may need to tweak your fuel management or carburator to get even more power. I feel the engine power vs fuel/air ratio shift after I use magnet, half turn of external pilot jet on my bike.

[ashtweth]

Hi guys, cant believe all the stars on this thread. Doh yes the spark plug, i am working on a presentation for the gov's and Mayor of our city that shows how ONLY then open source designs out there (SPAD/Encopra/Retrokit/GEET/Hydroxy/Sparkl) are the ONLY low cost modifications in the world which can be fitted to the existing technology and cut the carbon foot print as significantly.

Even a new HEMP electric car would take over 5 years to replace all the existing ones, in reality those technologies ARE THE ONLY ones that can reduce the pollution as much!, we are it, yup open source engineers , yup think about it. Think about it.

The proposed fuel standards in 2012 and 2050! can be reached today in fact in 1918 with hydroxy(patent first appeared then) . I am also adding up the amount of emissions off the road WE are taking off with open source technology, who else gave the EFIE out to the public? I am also going to calculate the amount of tax payer monies we can cut and are wasted not adopting this technology. all to hep create public pressure and implementation.

Big Job, but thanks all of us we can do it easily.

@sucahyo please email me some details of your set up and ill take a look we crammed in space at the front of one car.

[Stealth]

@ All, This is my setup I am currently running on my vehicle. I have 10 ceramic magnets(5 on each side)(N-N),1x1x1/4, of my fuel line entering the fuel pressure reducer. I have a hot water(radiator) system of pipes wound around my fuel rail,that heats the fuel, before it enters the injectors. I am running non- resistor wires, and plugs. I have my timing set high,15-18 BTDC. I am driving a Ford Bronco II with automatic, 4 wheel drive,V-6, and am getiing 32-35 MPG. on the highway. There are some other modifications I plan on installing, but have yet to do them. Good Luck. Stealth

[ashtweth]

Stealth gives credence to what we are saying, the ICE is inherently a polluting and in efficient piece of technology, in fact the ICE was never designed for petrol or diesel.

You need a MODIFICATION to meet today's needs and standards that are possible.Endorsements, rebates, subsidies and carbon credits need to be applied to what Stealth and we are are ALL doing, we must create this by public pressure.

Ash

[ashtweth]

Open source engineer Peter is not only getting a magnificent 28% and has a nice open source dry cell design, but he has also shown a great publicity angle by demonstrating how his HYDROXY emissions are LOWER then a brand new car.

http://myhydrogencar.webs.com/apps/p...lbumid=4956639
Peter's Website and Utube Chanel
www.myhydrogencar.webs.com
YouTube - myhydrogencar's Channel

"Ash, I have attached results of a recent Economy test and an Exhaust Gas analysis. You can also find these at my website with explanation comments. Just look in the "HydrogenGallery" page for Test Results.

Interesting to note that my emissions are lower than required by new cars for
2009.Except my NOx due to a faulty EGR valve which is being fixed soon and back for more testing.

My car does not feel the same with Hydroxy OFF..it really lags in response and lacks zing.The exhaust gas smells cleaner and the engine is much smoother and quieter. -End

THERE ARE NO OTHER LOW COST MODIFICATIONS OTHER THEN HYDROXY, ENCOPRA,NANOKIT,RETROKIT, SPAD WHICH CAN BE FITTED TO THE EXISTING TECHNOLOGY AND CUT THE CARBON FOOT PRINT AS SIGNIFICANT!

NONE

PROVEN TECHNOLOGY,
GEET
Hydroxy Gas
(REFRESH)

Note! these variants, SPAD, Encopra, Retorkit, Nano Kit all use HYDROXY!!, they use a reactor to create hydrogen rich vapors, i have emailed the vendors and got this info, its in the "GEET" course". Other then that Dry cells are the best so far. (Do now)

HELLO - Google ten challenge
HELLO- VIRGIN CHALLENGE

Ill be getting them ALL on record , including politicians for carbon
credits/rebate/subsidies. We must show how much of the tax payer monies is
WASTED and how much pollution (lives saved) could of been taking on by using ONE of ANY of these mods at greenfest.com.au (will be on TV then too).

Time for the fire up their BUTTS. well done to the hydroxy/GEET communities Ps, ill have a Encopra kit here soon and will be open sourcing it.

Ash

[essamali]

Open source engineer Peter is not only getting a magnificent 28% and has a nice open source dry cell design, but he has also shown a great publicity angle by demonstrating how his HYDROXY emissions are LOWER then a brand new car.

FuelFromWater - Vehicle Installation Test Results
Peter's Website and Utube Chanel
FuelFromWater - MyHydrogenCar
YouTube - myhydrogencar's Channel

"Ash, I have attached results of a recent Economy test and an Exhaust Gas analysis. You can also find these at my website with explanation comments. Just look in the "HydrogenGallery" page for Test Results.

Interesting to note that my emissions are lower than required by new cars for
2009.Except my NOx due to a faulty EGR valve which is being fixed soon and back for more testing.

My car does not feel the same with Hydroxy OFF..it really lags in response and lacks zing.The exhaust gas smells cleaner and the engine is much smoother and quieter. -End

THERE ARE NO OTHER LOW COST MODIFICATIONS OTHER THEN HYDROXY, ENCOPRA,NANOKIT,RETROKIT, SPAD WHICH CAN BE FITTED TO THE EXISTING TECHNOLOGY AND CUT THE CARBON FOOT PRINT AS SIGNIFICANT!

NONE

PROVEN TECHNOLOGY,
GEET
Hydroxy Gas
(REFRESH)

Note! these variants, SPAD, Encopra, Retorkit, Nano Kit all use HYDROXY!!, they use a reactor to create hydrogen rich vapors, i have emailed the vendors and got this info, its in the "GEET" course". Other then that Dry cells are the best so far. (Do now)

HELLO - Google ten challenge
HELLO- VIRGIN CHALLENGE

Ill be getting them ALL on record , including politicians for carbon
credits/rebate/subsidies. We must show how much of the tax payer monies is
WASTED and how much pollution (lives saved) could of been taking on by using ONE of ANY of these mods at greenfest.com.au (will be on TV then too).

Time for the fire up their BUTTS. well done to the hydroxy/GEET communities Ps, ill have a Encopra kit here soon and will be open sourcing it.

Ash

i think the only HYDROXY emissions is out is WATER ONLY 0% Co2 if your car fully 100% water not more pepole do that till now

[topangler81]

Increase mpg.

Hi all. Very good thread. I just want to share my fuel saving project. I using 4 jar of water 4 gas style hydroxy booster, a fuel line magnet, home made fuel vaporizer and also water vaporizer. My car fuel consumption without it was 27mpg. now almost 55 mpg. Almost double the milage. My lawton style hydroxy booster still on conditioning process. After that i will install it to the car. In quest for better mpg.

[lanenal]

unbelievable

Hi all. Very good thread. I just want to share my fuel saving project. I using 4 jar of water 4 gas style hydroxy booster, a fuel line magnet, home made fuel vaporizer and also water vaporizer. My car fuel consumption without it was 27mpg. now almost 55 mpg. Almost double the milage. My lawton style hydroxy booster still on conditioning process. After that i will install it to the car. In quest for better mpg.

Unbelievable! After the water4gas failure I thought it was all crap...but where can I find the really working plan?