"RICK'S PIPE DREAM" Magnetic Motor-Generator

[patmac]

rockoff

If we take a ceramic magnet rectangular and we cut it diagonally with diammond disk tool. Is possible make a magnetic pole assymetric?.

[rickoff]

Reply to Carlos (patmac):

If a bar magnet is cut in half by a diagonal line, you will then have two magnets, each with a north and south pole. The resulting magnets will have asymmetric pole shapes, since one pole will be on a squared end while the other is on an angled end. The angled end will have its pole along a longer edge than at the squared end, but this does not mean that the angled pole end will be stronger than the squared end pole. The strength will be equal, but spread over a wider area on the angled end.

Rick

[Cloxxki]

Another way, and it's looking promising. Best I've seen without Mr. Hand (I hate that expression). Roney seems sincere.
YouTube - Magnetic Runway Plates - James Roney Stators (a must watch)

Can't wait till he's added more magnets the wheel, or adds a runway. Amazing that the metal seems to be more interesting to more magnet, making it a nett gain. I do see loss of momentum as the last of the group goes through, but it DOES. Perhaps someone with a Pipe Dream assembly has the opportunity to replicate or do a further proof of concept.

Really, this looks a lot like the vague explanation of a supposedly suppressed Romanian invention. Iron changing the flux, to create the require imbalance. If this makes a runner (please let it be!!), a world of possibilities opens up.

[rickoff]

Hi Cloxxki,

I watched the demo, and in each demonstration Jim does use Mr Hand to start rotation. If only attraction to the metal plates were a factor in starting rotation, then I feel quite certain that after the last magnet passes through, there would be no escape of the attraction pulling the wheel in the reverse direction. That attraction force is quite evident in slowing the wheel substantially in each of the demos, and I only see that factor as being barely overcome by the hand start.

The use of a metal ramp, or "runway" as James calls it, to attract the rotor magnets, is not really a novel approach. John Bedini and friends used a similar approach in a magnetic motor design that did work to run continuously, although John said that it kind of "limped along." Here's a view of that design:




As you can see, the ramping technique is basically the same, although Roney's ramp to rotor gap increases, while JB's gap decreases. The decreasing gap of course has increasingly stronger attraction, which helps to accelerate the rotor. Attraction is strongest at the break point, at which point you begin to have attraction and repulsion as the rotor magnet is passing the break point, and then the nested magnet at the end of the stator ramp directly repels the rotor magnet in the direction of rotation. James Roney places the repelling magnet in the last magnet postion on the rotor, instead of the stator. That repelling magnet helps to keep the rotor from being attracted back towards the magnet at the end of the ramp, but on the approach side it creates an anti rotational force. Both designs cause the slowing and varying speed of rotation, which of course is undesirable.

Rick

[rickoff]

Pipe Dream Update

Hi Folks,

Shown below is a still frame drawing from the moving stator (MOSTAT) animation that I am currently working on. This is a top-down view. Even with the still frame view, I think you will get a pretty good idea of the technique I will be employing to move the MOSTAT assembly in order to achieve rapid pole shifting at the tail end of each rotor magnet group. Please see notes below drawing for explanations of working details.



Notes:

1. The above drawing is not made to scale, and does not show certain details such as wheel spokes, fasteners, etc. The drawing is simplified to show the major working parts and their relationships to one another.
2. The hard drive magnet has been moved from its former position on the slider carriage to a separate MOSTAT assembly as shown.
3. The slider carriage is linked to the MOSTAT assembly by use of a metal pin. While it appears in this diagram as though the slider carriage is linked directly to the MOSTAT mounting plate, in practice it will actually be linked to an actuator arm at the top end of the MOSTAT pivot rod, and about 2 inches above the mounting plate.
4. The MOSTAT magnet will be situated with about 3/4 inch to 1 inch clearance gap above the rotor magnet groups.
5. Two magnets, at opposite sides of the rotating center axle hub, will repel the slider carriage outwards on the slider rail. The rail is not shown, for purposes of clarity, but can be seen in previous photographs of the prototype.
6. Two magnets will be used at the outer perimeter of the rotor assembly to repel the slider carriage inwards. These are located 180 degrees from each other, and 90 degrees from each of the central hub magnets. In all, there will be 4 movements of the slider carriage per rotor revolution (two inward and 2 outward).
7. In the position shown above, the slider carriage has just completed a left-moving inwards motion, and the left end of the carriage is against a fixed stop (not shown) to limit its movement. This has rotated the MOSTAT assembly to move the hard drive magnet in an arc that leaves the magnet with its North pole aligned to repel the North facing rotor magnet group which has just passed by the MOSTAT. As the rotor continues to rotate counter clockwise, the MOSTAT will already be aligned perfectly to draw in the South facing rotor magnet group. When the South group (green magnets)reaches the position that the North group is now in, the next movement of the slider carriage will occur due to repulsion at the left end of the carriage as it interacts with center hub magnet currently shown at bottom of the hub, driving the carriage to the right and outwards, until it meets another fixed stop. This will cause a MOSTAT pole shift, placing the MOSTAT South pole in alignment to repel the tail end of the South rotor magnet group.
8. The hub magnets, carriage magnets, and outer perimeter magnets are shown in a simplified manner so as to simply identify the poles. In actual practice, some amount of shielding will be preferred to reduce anti-rotational repulsion as magnet pairs approach alignment. Carriage movement is desired as quickly as possible once the tail end of a rotor magnet group has passed by the MOSTAT.
9. As you can see, the MOSTAT magnet is located further from the pivot rod than the carriage linkage pin is. This results in a relatively wide arc movement (about 1.125 inch) of the MOSTAT magnet while the carriage motion required is much less.
10. Keep in mind that the slider rail and carriage are mounted at an angle, with the inner end sloping downward, and the outer end elevated away from the rotor. Thus, at the outer end there will be no interference between the rotor or MOSTAT magnets and the carriage repelling magnets at the right end of the carriage. The perimeter magnet must be elevated, of course, to align with the right end carriage magnet.

I will continue working on the animation of this view, and will also make a separate drawing to show the MOSTAT assembly, and its mounting via the pivot rod, in a still side view.

Any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Best regards to all,

Rick

[groundhog]

Reply to Rickoff

Good Post Rick, your explanation of your ideas was very concise and well presented and did address a concern that I've had since you first mentioned your thinking on this idea.

I was pleased to see that you've already considered the shielding of the perimeter and hub magnets upon their approach to the slider magnets, because I believe that the anti-rotational drag that would be introduced would be as much as, if not more than, the frictional drag that was introduced by the rollers on the previous model. In basic experimenting with magnets in this fashion, they do create a LOT of rotational braking prior to coming into a perpendicular alignment and I would think that a method of shielding this interaction would be essential until they reach that point where you want the slider to 'pop' in or out.

I've been experimenting with the exact Bedini model that you posted above and it is very tricky to balance that break point effectively. And does, as bedini says, make it tend to limp along, though I believe I can improve mine to better balance the poles, I don't think that this particular method is very viable for producing any sort of powerful rotation without the large investment in custom shaped magnets (like johnson). I may discover differently, but it seems a more effective type of shielding is necessary for us 'low-budget' experimenters!

Have you found an effective shielding method that you were planning on using for this yet? One where the magnetic field is blocked or redirected without causing the magnet to be attracted to it?

Anyway, glad to see that we've all survived the summer and now the 'wheels are turning' here again!! It could be a breakthrough winter season!!

Regards,

rick;-)

[rickoff]

Good Post Rick, your explanation of your ideas was very concise and well presented and did address a concern that I've had since you first mentioned your thinking on this idea.

Have you found an effective shielding method that you were planning on using for this yet? One where the magnetic field is blocked or redirected without causing the magnet to be attracted to it?

Glad you liked the diagram and explanations. At the center hub, the easiest shielding method will probably be to encircle the hub with a stationary band of sheet metal placed about 1/8 inch of air gap from the rotating hub magnets. This band would have one narrow slot that aligns with the magnet on the inner end of the slider carriage, thus shielding the carriage magnet during an approach, but not during alignment. The rotating hub magnets would have an attraction to the shielding, but that attraction would be equal at all times, so not anti-rotational. The inner carriage magnet would also be attracted towards the hub shielding, but the attraction would be less because of the air slot alignment, and the repulsive kick during the magnetic alignment of hub and carriage magnets would easily overcome any carriage magnet attraction to the shield. Shielding the outer perimeter could be done in the same manner, but I will probably use a different method requiring less shielding and mounting materials. At the outer perimeter it may be easiest to wrap a shield on the carriage magnet rather than the rotating magnet.

Rick

[rickoff]

MOSTAT animation ready for viewing

Hi folks,

I have completed a 34 frame animation of the MOSTAT action. This is not a continuous animation, as it only plays through two pole shifting movements of the stator and then stops. To watch the animation again, simply click View/Refresh at the top of your browser (or function key F5 if using Internet Explorer). Click the link below to view the animation.

http://liwdha.blu.livefilestore.com/...gyY/MOSTAT.gif

Please note that the animation should be viewed in a full screen window for best resolution and playback.

For information concerning the components seen in the animation, please refer to my previous post #313 showing the still frame diagram.

Best regards,

Rick

[rickoff]

Hi Stealth,

Yes, I too think this configuration will work. This method of moving the stator combines magnetic repulsion with mechanical action. All of the force required comes from the rotating magnets at the center hub and the outer perimeter, and these forces are separate from the rotational magnetic interactions. As mentioned earlier in this thread, the force required to move the stator for pole shifting is less than one ounce after a rotor magnet group has passed beyond the stator, and the repulsive interaction between a pair of neodymium magnets will certainly provide far more than the force required while also providing a rapid movement. It is important to achieve the pole shift as quickly as possible in order to shift the effective MOSTAT pole to repulsion mode at the tail end of a rotor magnet group and obtain maximum repulsive effect. Any amount of repulsion will virtually guarantee continuous rotor rotation, but a high degree of repulsion will ensure rapid acceleration and highest rpm of the rotor.

I'm working on the new MOSTAT apparatus right now, and will post a conceptual diagram of that shortly.

Thanks for the good luck wishes,

Rick

[nilrehob]

supression?

Hi all,

I guess James Roney must be on to something really interesting, being rejected and all?
YouTube - YouTube Suspends Magnetic Runway Plate Videos for Fuel-less Magnetic Motor

/Hob

[rickoff]

Seeing as his video posts were labeled as "inappropriate," it appears that someone complained to YouTube that he was posting inappropriate content. Of course that isn't so, but when YouTube receives a report like that then they simply block the video just to play it safe. That's because they just don't have the time to go in and view every video that gets tagged as inappropriate. It seems rather obvious that whoever did this was probably one of the many naysayer skeptics who seem to constantly patrol renewable energy videos and post crude remarks and statements intent on discrediting the technology and the experimenter. I have had to deal with a lot of that myself, and wasted more time answering these people than I should have. The best solution is to either not allow comments, or to only allow a comment to be posted after giving approval, which is what I finally had to do in my video #25. What I have found amusing is the fact that each video that demonstrates any amount of progress towards success brings out more and more naysayers. After posting video #25, they appeared in large numbers, mostly repeating redundant claims such as "there is no such thing as magnetic energy," or "this will not work," without even attempting to qualify their statements with any supportive facts. These people are either morons themselves, or are attempting to convince Internet morons that their statements are authoritative and factual. My guess is that they probably fall into both categories, and that those in the second category probably have a direct interest (monetary or otherwise) in attempting to discredit the technology.

[Mark]

Hello Rick

I wanted to check to see if you've had any progress on your build, haven't heard anything in a while. Any good new to report?

Mark

[rickoff]

Hi Mark,

Yes I have made some progress on the new technique of moving the stator magnet to achieve pole shifting. The new technique, using magnetic interactions rather than a timing track, was reported here in post #313. If any timing track will be used at all, it will simply be a short segment, between some rotor magnet groups, used for the purpose of preventing the slider carriage from moving inwards on the downhill slant of the slider rail towards the rotor's central hub.

First I removed the stator magnet from the slider carriage and placed it on the underside of a separate pivoting mount made of clear, 1/4" thick polycarbonate. A stainless steel bolt attaches to the pivoting mount, and to a pivot control arm near the top of the bolt. The stator mount can be adjusted upwards or downwards on the pivot bolt for precise air gap settings between the stator magnet and rotor magnets. The top end of the bolt passes through a bearing that is attached to a stationary plate, which in turn is attached to the aluminum slider rail bar, to allow the pivoting action of the unit. Right now I am working on the linkage between the slider carriage and the pivot arm. This part is a little bit tricky, because the carriage cannot be directly pinned to the pivot control arm since the pin hole in the control arm changes position, relative to the slider carriage, as the control arm pivots. In other words, the pin hole moves in an arc, rather than a straight line. You can see what I mean by watching the MOSTAT animation (http://liwdha.blu.livefilestore.com/... yY/MOSTAT.gif and remember to go fullscreen and press your keyboard's F5 function key for animation replays). The F5 key can be pressed at any time during or after the animation to instantly replay the animation.

At this point, I can either connect the carriage to the pivot control arm by means of a linkage rod (similar to what is used for linkage on a carburetor to rotate the bellcrank and open or close the throttle valve) or construct a slide mechanism that moves from side to side on the carriage. That's what I am contemplating right now, and I am leaning towards using the slide mechanism as it will be smoother and create less stress. So think of the carriage movement being inwards (towards the wheel's center hub) and outwards, as shown in the animation, and the slide mechanism moving across the carriage, perpendicular to it. I'm hoping to show some photos and videos of this setup before the month is out, as I will then be able to demonstrate how the movement of the slider carriage will produce the desired pole changes. Once that is all taken care of, I will start in on the magnetic interactions required to move the carriage at the desired points of rotation.

Best 2 U,

Rick

[tjnlsn255]

Nice to read you again Rick.....:-)

I look forward to your pictures....

Hopes and Dreams.....

Tj

[rickoff]

Hi folks,

This diagram and explanation should promote a better understanding of what I am working on.

If you refer to the still view image below, imagine a continuous band of sheet metal encircling the central hub and magnets, and placed about 1/8 inch from those magnets. A window slot will be cut into the sheet metal band at the point where a hub magnet will properly align with the slider carriage end magnet for repulsive carriage movement at the desired timing moment. The metal band can either be stationary, or rotate as the hub does. If it rotates, two slots are needed, as depicted in my drawing.



You will notice, especially if you zoom in on the drawing, that the slots are not positioned for perfect magnet alignment, and the idea is to position them late in rotation to prevent any early interaction. Also, by having the repulsive interaction occur slightly past the moment of perfect alignment, this should actually aid rotation, while any amount of early ineteraction would be anti-rotational. To my thinking, it may be preferable to have the band rotate with the hub, as depicted, so that the carriage end magnet is never exposed to a slot until the moment of proper timing occurs. Such an arrangement would also allow attraction of the carriage end magnet to the metal band, until the slot aligns, helping to stabilize the carriage positioning. This attraction will not be anti-rotational, since the distance between the magnet and band will remain constant throughout the rotation, and the metal band with slot, or slots, will prevent the carriage end magnet from being interacted with until such interaction is wanted. While the hub magnets will be attracted to the metal band somewhat, no anti-rotational attraction force will be encountered. The repulsive force to move the carriage outwards from the hub is radial from the hub, and therefore, once again, no anti-rotational force is exerted. The precise timing moment will be adjustable by facilitating movement of the slot location. I will, of course, need to incorporate some limit stops to prevent the slider carriage from moving further than desired in either direction. As stated before, the desired movement amount for the stator pole shift is 1.250 inch, but using the pivot with a control arm extending twice as far on one side of the pivot bolt as the stator magnet does on the other side will cut the required carriage travel in half, or 5/8 inch. That isn't a heck of a lot of movement, and it can be accomplished very quickly with adequate magnetic repulsion, even using a pair of magnets the size of my rotor magnets (3/4" long x 3/8" wide x 1/8" thick). http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BC62 I may elect to use a different style block or button magnet, though, for design and convenience considerations.

The same method (metal band) could be used at the outer perimeter, but I will probably opt to use a different shielding method there, perhaps shielding either the 2 perimeter magnets, or the single outer carriage end magnet. The drawing greatly oversimplifies the actual configuration, and I did this on purpose to make the animation easier to accomplish. In the drawing, it looks like the slider carriage is laying directly upon the stator mount, but this is not actually so. It will be about 2 inches or so above the stator mount, and be linked to a stator pivot control arm. The slider carriage end magnets, and the outer perimeter magnets, will be well above the stator magnet and rotor magnets, and will not interfere with their interactions. Keep in mind that the idea of moving the stator magnet at the tail end of a rotor magnet group is to take it out of reattraction to that group and place it into repulsion mode for an accelerative boost. If the resultant repulsion at the tail end of the rotor magnet group is greater than the reattraction force by any amount, this will guarantee continuous rotation. If greater by any substantial amount, this will result in quicker acceleration and higher operating rpm.


I hope this gives you a better idea of the concept, and what I am actually working on, and I think you may agree that it has a high likelihood of working as planned.


Best regards, Rick