"RICK'S PIPE DREAM" Magnetic Motor-Generator

[rickoff]

Hey Rick, I am still here watching all the videos and keeping track of your successes.I know Mylow's motor was probably rigged by him or someones else to sidetrack whatever setup was originally there, but I think his magnetic motor still has potential.Maybe you should look again at his setup,I know I have.He was probably used as a pawn to discredit all magnetic motor attempts,but his setup was remarkably close to what Howard Johnson did.With some rearraging and or reconfiguring of the stator magnet,his setup would work. Yours is progressing to the point of eliminating the dreaded sticky point or opposite polarity force so evident in most magnetic motors.I wish you luck in finding the correct geometry in eliminating these conditions.Once the correct geometry is found, any magnetic motor setup will work.I have come close on several occasions with magnetic motors,but could not quite close the loop.Good luck. Stealth

Thanks for the encouragement, and good luck wishes, Stealth. I have a lot of layouts and tests in mind, and will keep plugging away at this. I would encourage anyone to think about possible layouts for future tests, and to submit a drawing for consideration.

Best wishes,

Rick

[1NRG24Seven]

While watching all these videos it gives one a sense of actually working with the device, except that we can not feel the forces, which would certainly give us more information if we could. However we can still see to a certain extent with video the interactions playing out. One thing if I had your device in front of me I would like to try is to angle the magnets so one pole of each magnet is out of timing with the stator magnet as it passes overhead...so one pole is always leading the other. This would in my mind make each magnet group be as two and serve to keep a pulling effect moving in a constant stream. Also I would like to try using only one layer of magnets thereby doubling the amount of magnets i could place around the circumference of the outer ring and create a situation where you have a like one long magnet almost completely around the circumference with the end break at only one spot instead of several. This way the wheel could pick up enough speed to overcome that one break. This may or may not be possible as again I am not the one interacting with the device and Rick would certainly be the only one who would know as he is hands on with it. But try and angle the magnets in a single instead of double layer and line them up to create one long magnet all pulling the stator into themselves or repealing all.

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[rickoff]

A Solution For The Testing Timer

As I mentioned earlier, I want to set up some precise testing standards so that I can verify if a rotor magnet layout change is beneficial or detrimental. Leaving it up to the eye, or guesswork, just won't do. I figure that the best way to make an accurate determination is to test the time that it takes to complete a start/stop run, starting from the point where the rotor begins to move, and ending at the point where the rotation stops, just before reversing direction. I have given this much thought, and have come up with what I consider to be a splendid solution. I found a free software download called XNOTE STOPWATCH that works great, and it can be configured to be triggered on and off (start/stop) using a switch connected to an open COM port on the computer. Here's how the connection is made at the COM port, and below that you see the timer.


The current reading on the timer is 9 and 42/100 seconds, and that represents the elapsed time of the first layout test as shown in video #32. To get this reading, I watched the video and clicked the Start/Stop at the appropriate times. What I will be doing from now on, though, is to mount a mini lever switch, probably to my currently unused adjustable PVC stator arm, and bring this switch in close to the flywheel edge, where I will lock it into place. Then I will simply insert a round head screw into the edge of the flywheel, at both the start and stop locations, that will gently bump the lever switch to activate it. The lever switch will be wired to the 9-pin COM connector at pins 7 and 8. And that's it!

You can download XNOTE STOPWATCH at: http://www.stopwatch-timer.com/xntimer.exe

The only cost to this superb solution is the mini switch. I found one at my local Radio Shack store (part number 275-0016) for $2.99, though I may use an even smaller one that requires even less lever force to activate it. To make the connection at the COM port, I'll wire the switch into a 9-pin COM cable connector that I can simply plug in when I want to use it. I'm pretty sure I have an old 9-pin cable kicking around here somewhere.

It would really be sweet if I could include the timer readout within each video test, and I suppose I could do that by placing a monitor next to the prototype where the timer can be seen.

The other element of the start/stop tests will be a fixture to lock and unlock the flywheel at the starting position, so that I will always be starting at precisely the same place, and I can easily do this by drilling through one of the PVC uprights, and into the flywheel edge, so that I can insert or withdraw an aluminum rod. Simple, but practical.

So these are the next steps to complete, and I should be able to do these things by tomorrow. Then I'll post a new video showing a timed test of the new and improved rotor magnet layout. Can hardly wait! I'm having a lot of fun with this.

Rick

[tjnlsn255]

Curious about MoStat?

Hi Rick,

I am curious why you are doing all these experiments without using the MoStat as it was designed.... a Moving Stator?

All your recent videos have the Stator fixed aboved the magnets?

Just curious....

Hopes and Dreams....

Tj

[rickoff]

Hi Rick,

I am curious why you are doing all these experiments without using the MoStat as it was designed.... a Moving Stator?

All your recent videos have the Stator fixed aboved the magnets?

Just curious....

Hopes and Dreams....

Tj

Hi Tj,

The answer is in post #362. Just figured I'd do some non-MOSTAT-related experiments while working out the actual methods for the magnetic repulsion movements of the slider carriage. Also, when I do complete the slider repulsion systems, I'd like to try them out on this side of the wheel, as it will give me a lot more options. And I've been wanting to add the flywheel back on, to take advantage of the momentum it adds. The steel plates, when all the way around, are going to double the weight of the flywheel to 8 pounds, and I'm certain that is going to help. Even the 27 ounces of steel plate now seen on the flywheel seems to me to account for improved performance. I'd prefer to have an even heavier flywheel, maybe 50 pounds or more, but that would be stressing the structure and bearings of this bike wheel way too much. At some point I will build an even larger, spoked, birch plywood rotor with a heavy duty axle shaft and some really good bearings, and I'll sock the weight to it. Once you get the force of that weight moving, and the heavier it is, the greater the chance that forward momentum will easily overcome any anti-rotational reattraction (those so-called "sticky" points).

While I am doing the current series of experiments, I will try unlocking the stator, and allow it to automatically seek the path of strongest attraction. This shouldn't be a problem, because all interactions are currently in attraction mode. It will be interesting to see if the timed test with the stator locked, versus a free stator, shows a difference.

One thought that came to mind, while thinking of a free to pivot stator test, is that the rotor magnets could in fact be laid out to make the pivoting stator swerve left or right whenever desired, and swerve quickly at that. Therefore, it would be possible to build a double rotor setup, with the rotors spaced maybe 8 inches apart, and use the upper rotor magnets to move a second stator mounted at the top end of the stator pivot rod. The upper stator, when moved at the desired timing points, would of course move the lower stator the same amount. Of course you would use stronger rotor magnets at the top end, at least at the preferred timing points, or perhaps use repulsion at one side of the stator and attraction at the other end. Sounds reasonable, doesn't it? And if I can work out an attraction layout that gives full 360 degree rotation, I can use that layout for the upper rotor while using four or five separated groups of 8 to 10 magnets on the lower stator. To take advantage of repulsion, there must be a separation between groups, like there was on the bike wheel rim.

Well, I'm always thinking five steps ahead, and that's okay, but I will have to leave that other stuff for a bit later. For now, it is on to the layout tests. If you, or anyone else would like to jump ahead with any of these ideas then by all means go for it.

Best regards,

Rick

[Shamus]

Hi Rick,

Now that you've gone into this mode of testing I'm really interested to see what comes of it. While it is true that you can simulate the motion of the stator this way, when you get right down to it there are things in this kind of experimentation that you can't, such as a rapid pole shift. At any rate I think you're very close to success with either approach and it will be interesting to see which is successful first.

And of course, all of this gets me thinking about a very short blurb that Tom Bearden makes in the Howard Johnson EFTV DVD about a lazy suzan that Howard (IIRC) brought to him that had *one* magnet on it and another magnet assembly that the edge of it went through. He said that he watched it go around and around for about an hour and that very soon after that the thing was stolen out of his house. All that to say (assuming that Mr. Bearden is telling the truth) that it seems that making permanent magnets do work like this is a very real possibility. Unfortunately for me, all my experimenting has been put on hold for the near future so I won't be able to investigate any of this with you. But I will be watching your experiments with great interest.

EDIT: I found a still from that excerpt, for those interested. The segment starts about 1 hour 15 minutes in.

[1NRG24Seven]

bikes are disigned for people over 100 pounds, I was 98 lbs in the 6th grade so divide that by two wheels and that is about 50lbs. So I really doubt 50lbs would stress the bearings.

[1NRG24Seven]

And I was small and skinny for my age, many kids were twice my size or more riding bikes, so if you want a 50 lb flywheel go for it, don't really see any problem with that other than attachment to rim. You may want to run it straight up and down instead of the wheel staying flat which would be a side load on one side of the bearing it was not designed for, for continuous use. Other than that you could used 50 -75 lbs I would think with no problems.


Good Day!!
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[rickoff]

You may want to run it straight up and down instead of the wheel staying flat which would be a side load on one side of the bearing it was not designed for, for continuous use. Other than that you could used 50 -75 lbs I would think with no problems.

Yes, that's precisely why I haven't thought about adding too much weight at this time, while I'm running horizontally. I need to keep it horizontal for the timed tests of the magnet layouts. Later on I will definitely try a vertical operation, and of course the test stand can be oriented in three different vertical positions.

Best 2 U,

Rick

[rickoff]

Pipe Dream Update

Hi folks,

Just letting you know that 2 new Pipe Dream videos are ready for viewing. You can see these here:

Video #33 http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=og5u7medhTI

Video #34 http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=SOh8TnVEeKo


I am currently editing video #35, which should be ready for upload in another few hours.

Best regards,

Rick

[ashtweth]

THANK YOU RICK, WE HAVE MISSED YOU

[rickoff]

THANK YOU RICK, WE HAVE MISSED YOU

You're quite welcome, Ash. I know that there were probably a lot of people who had thought that I had given up on my project, but not so! I wanted to take the time to carefully think over some variations and solutions, rather than to simply forge ahead with one idea or another. With the new testing scheme, all my results will be be precisely measured and will be quantifiable. I have long understood that the closer one gets to a working system (a self runner), the more significant each enhancement will become. And this, of course, means that a system that almost works can go over the top with just the smallest change. The new elapsed time testing techniques will allow me to precisely determine if even the smallest change in rotor magnet layout, rotor magnet to stator magnet gap, or stator magnet orientation, is actually beneficial or detrimental. With all the guesswork taken out, I can now experiment with virtually unlimited magnet arrangements, and can forge ahead with confidence.

Best 2 U,

Rick

[rickoff]

Preparing and submitting documentary videos and forum posts, at the same time as prototype changes are being made, takes a great deal of my time away from experimenting. Still, I think it is very important to fully document every step that I take. This way, if anything should happen to me, anyone could precisely replicate exactly what I have done, and carry on with the project.

I have added 10 new videos in just 3 weeks, and am feeling a bit burned out at this time, but hope to add one more video later today if at all possible (Video #36), which will show a fully operational elapsed time and snap time test of a new rotor magnet layout that works better than the one shown in my previous test. The previous test, as you may remember, resulted in an elapsed time of 7.49 seconds, so it will be interesting to see the new result, and to also see the elapsed time for each individual rotor magnet group. There are six magnet groups in the new layout, each having six magnet positions. Knowing the precise elapsed time for each individual magnet group, which is the snap time for each section, is even more important than knowing the overall elapsed time. This will tell us if the rotor is accelerating, or slowing down, while any given section is passing the stator. And that provides the opportunity to tweak any "weak" section, or to emulate any strong one. As you can imagine, this opens a new frontier for my experimentation, and one that is very pleasing to me.

As I said, I will hope to complete the elapsed time/snap time demonstration video later today and get that posted, but it may require more time than I expect in setting up the appropriate trigger points for the on/off and snap timing points, as getting it right is critical. I may have to wait a few days on the video if I can't complete it tonight, as I will be going to Massachusetts tomorrow (Friday) for a visit with my grandchildren, and won't be returning home until late Sunday evening. This will give me a pleasant break, and a little extra brainstorming time - which is usually a good thing.

Best regards to all,

Rick

[Gary]

Thanks Rick, your experimentation and diligent documentation is much appreciated. I am looking forward to your new tests with your time tracking setup. should be very interesting.

[rickoff]

Pipe Dream Update

Hi folks,

I have just added video #36, which can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=hmFZ65FYP2E

This video will show a live elapsed time test of the newest rotor magnet layout, in comparison to the results of the previous magnet layout. The XNOTE STOPWATCH software will be triggered on and off automatically, at the beginning and end of the test duration, by a mini lever switch mounted in a stationary position at the outer perimeter of the birch flywheel. In addition, a separate elapsed time will be recorded for each of six magnet group arrangements on the flywheel, by using the Snap function of the XNOTE STOPWATCH software, and triggered by a second mini lever switch. Both switches will be activated at precise intervals by round head brass screws attached to the flywheel edge, which will trip the lever switches as the flywheel rotates. Further, a locking device will be employed to lock the flywheel into a predetermined starting position before this and all subsequent tests, and this will guarantee that all tests from this point forwards will start at precisely the same location. Therefore, all possible variables, including those caused by human error, are removed, and the test results will be very reliable and useful in determining whether any particular rotor magnet layout (or other change) is beneficial or detrimental to prototype operation.

Thanks for viewing, and for your continued interest and support. - Rick