"RICK'S PIPE DREAM" Magnetic Motor-Generator

[oldHermit]

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OS:Magnet Motor by FM Concepts - PESWiki

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As of August 10, 2009, there have been no known successful replications yet (achieving torque from magnets alone). It looks like this may be yet another bogus design.
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So... we keep trying....

oldHermit

[rickoff]

Reply to Tj:

Hi Rick,

Have you seen this video?

YouTube - Free Energy # 7 The Working All Magnet Motor (FM Concepts)

Very interesting....

Tj

Yes, I saw that a while back, and while it is merely a toy it did prove interesting. The angle, depth, and layout of the rotor magnets looks as though it could possibly work. It may be that no one has replicated this design closely enough to the original. Anyone interested should definitely pursue the small scale replica build before experimenting further.

Rick

[rickoff]

Pip Dream Update

It has been a while since my last update, so I am posting this to let you know what is currently happening within the Pipe Dream Project.

The Pipe Dream Project is still very much alive, although progress on the prototype is nearly at a standstill presently. I spent so much time working on the prototype, builder's documents, and Pipe Dream website during May, June, and July, that I amost totally neglected maintenance work needing to be done at my cottage and here at home. Summers are very short here in Maine, and this summer the weather was very uncooperative, with record amounts of rainfall in June and July. When the weather finally turned nice in August, I realized that I had better take care of business. I have been busting my butt every day to catch up with all that needs to be done, and I only have 2 to 3 weeks left to finish up before cold weather starts kicking in here. I wish I could just pay someone else to do all this renovation work so that I could work on the magnetic motor prototype every day, but there's no way I can afford that. I was hoping to sell my home and be moved from here before winter sets in, but that will probably be impossible unless I keep my nose to the grindstone every day. Therefore, the pototype unfortunately must take a back seat position on my priorities list at this time. Rest assured that the project will continue, and that I will devote any time to it that becomes available. Currently, though, most of the modification work is being done in my head while I tend to other matters. One advantage to this is that I have done a great deal of thinking about my next steps, even though I haven't had the time to implement them. I am hoping that this lapse has given other participants a chance to catch up with their own builds, and to conduct some useful experiments. I would appreciate hearing from any of you regarding such work, and will do my best to answer any questions that you may have.

Best regards to all,

Rick

[brenie]

Rick, good to hear from you again, I immagine everyone understands your situation. We all go there some time or other, hell for leather at our pet project, only allowing everything else that needs attending to build up to a multitask opperation.
So one task at a time, but make sure the property is watertight, and spruced up.
Sorry to say rick, i'm not one of the replicators of the wheel, well not yet anyway.

Best wishes, good luck with all your chores. Regards, Bren.

[rickoff]

Reply to Bren:

Hi Bren,

Thanks for your kind words and good wishes. At this point I'm just glad that I was able to accomplish so much during the past few months of work on the Pipe Dream project. My primary aim was to design a test apparatus that could be built from easily obtained and inexpensive materials, and which would allow for a wide range of practical applications, including magnetic motor, pulse motor, Bedini SG, gravity wheel, etc. To that end I feel that I have succeeded, and I am happy with the results. I wanted to make it as easy as possible for people to get started with their own builds and experiments, and I believe that the builder's documents provide a clear cut path to doing that. My hope has been, and remains, that many others will replicate the Pipe Dream apparatus and join the effort to produce a working and useful magnetic motor. There are many possible combinations of rotor and stator magnet layouts, magnetic interactions, and enhancement methods to explore. I can only work on one of these at a time, but with multiple consecutive efforts underway to explore a wide range of options, I have no reason to doubt that we could achieve success within a greatly reduced time frame. Thus, I am hoping that those who have already built the Pipe Dream test apparatus, and others who are ready to join the effort, will help carry the quest forwards through thoughtful experimentation and shared information. My idea is to use the PipeDream project as a sort of clearing house for this shared information. This can allow builders and experimenters to see what others have done and are currently doing, and to see data of the test results. Sharing this information helps everyone avoid duplicating previous efforts that have proved unrewarding, and to concentrate on modifications, methods, and enhancements that do show promise. For example, my own experimentation with moving stator (MOSTAT) methods thus far has shown that a track system can not provide the required pole shifting stator movement that is needed. This is because of two reasons:
1. The stator magnet cannot be moved while engaged with a rotor magnet group due to the force required for such movement (about 12 ounces at the current stator to rotor air gap), which causes a resistive braking effect upon the rotor. This tells us that the stator can only be moved after the last magnet of a rotor group has passed by, at which point the force required to move the stator is reduced to less than 1 ounce.
2. Since movement will have to occur very rapidly, after the last magnet of a rotor group passes beneath the stator magnet, the track method is not viable since it would require an extremely sharp curve in order to shift stator pole positions quickly enough to take advantage of repulsion acceleration. A sharp track curve is impractical because it would be seen by the tracking rollers as a wall-slamming event that would halt rotation. A medium track curvature is no better, because it delays the needed repulsion effect from occuring until the interaction between the stator and rotor magnet is too weak to be useful. Furthermore, since the stator posistion is not abruptly changed, the stator magnet remains in a position of attraction to the rotor magnet group's tail-end magnet, and this produces an anti-rotational decelerative force that is highly undesirable. Some may have thought that the modest curve at the end of the test track caused frictional resistance that slowed the rotor, but this is not the case. The slowing was only a result of attraction force.

These results provided some valuable insight, and now point the way towards improved methods of stator movement. We know the precise moment in timing when the stator must move, and we know how much force is required to move it. Since the movement must be accomplished very rapidly in order to take advantage of pole-shifting repulsive acceleration effect, and to minimize anti-rotational attraction, the method of effectuating this rapid movement must be carefully considered. I have been considering two possible methods, which are:
1. A central hub with two cam lobes would easily be capable of providing say 1/4 inch of outward movement to the carriage at two of the desired timing points. Spring pressure would move the carriage in the opposite direction for the other two timing points, where the lobes cease. The carriage would be linked to a pivoting stator movement, and close to the pivot point, while the stator magnet would be farther from the pivot point. This would allow the stator magnet to move the required distance somewhat rapidly. The only problem I see with this mechanical method is that the movement cannot occur near instantaneously, and will require several degrees of rotation. The resultant anti-rotational attraction, and somewhat delayed repulsion may well cancel out all or most of the beneficial repulsion acceleration that would be realized. Still, it may be worth experimenting with since any amount of gained repulsion at the tail end of a rotor magnet group (after subtracting the anti-rotational attraction effect) will guarantee continuous rotor rotation.
2. A magnet can be mounted at each end of the carriage and made to interact in repulsion with rotating magnets placed at the outer perimeter and central hub of the rotor. The rotating magnets would act very much the same as mechanical cam lobes at the central hub, although the carriage movement would occur much faster and with no mechanical drag. The hub magnets would be far enough from the rotor magnets so as not to interfere with them, and the outer perimeter magnets would be elevated to reduce interference. Since the carriage would move freely and rapidly in a perpendicular motion to the rotor as a rotating magnet approaches and aligns, very little anti-rotational resistance would be encountered, and effectively shielding both the rotating and stationary magnets would further reduce any such resistance while optimizing the repulsion force for stator movement at the desired timing moment. For example, the two carriage end magnets, and each of the four rotating magnets, could be round magnets installed in steel tubes. Note that, in such instance, the magnets should not contact the tubes, but rather be insulated from contact with them.

At the moment, I am still considering both methods and would like to experiment with both of them to run comparisons. I would tend to believe, however, that the second method would be much more preferable if it can be implemented effectively, since it should produce the near-instantaneous movement that we are seeking if the magnetic interactions are caused by neodymium magnets of sufficient strength. Remember, less than an ounce of force is required for the movement to occur, and the movement caused by the interactive repulsion can be as little as 1/4 inch if the carriage is linked to a pivoting stator.

So there you go - some food for thought and discussion. It would certainly be helpful to diagram both of the above methods so readers will have a clearer understanding of their make up and workings. I will try to work at that as time allows, but I encourage others to submit their own diagrams and/or gif simulations showing their vision of a working model based on these methods.

Thanks to all for your continued interest, support, and encouragement.

Best wishes,

Rick

[Stealth]

I wish I had the time to build and replicate your pipedream motor, but I haven't had time for anything lately. I can see endless possiblities with this setup. You have a stable platform from which to launch a veritable smorgasboard of ideas. Any setup should be flexible enough to try many different ideas. Good Luck. Stealth

[rickoff]

Reply Stealth:

Thanks for the good luck wishes. I hope that you are able, at some point in time, to do a build. Yes, the possibilities for variations are amost limitless, and changes can be made easily, rapidly, and inexpensively with this type of construction.

Good luck to you too,

Rick

[patmac]

Hi rickoff

Here with problems to upload you the video with subtitles, my connection only give me 128kbps my provider says only can give me 3GB with hi speed that is nothing today that web is riched with graphics, videos etc.

Ok, no problem, after 2 days trying to upload here is the link:

YouTube - magnets

Hehe Excuses by my english, I'm 100% and my english rate is on 70-80%. But I hope you can understand the translation.

It's a very good explanation about the magnets usefull to build magnetic motors, but how can we build them???.

[rickoff]

Explanation of video from Carlos (Patmac):

I had received a video from the person who originally produced this, but could not make much out of it since it was in the Spanish language. I asked Carlos if he could watch the video and translate it for me, and he kindly helped out by adding subtitles to it. Thank you, Carlos. Now the meaning is much clearer. What isn't quite clear is how this person expects to be able to manufacture a bar magnet, magnetized through its thickness, which is stronger at one end than at the other. It appears that he will not be using "screening," (shielding), so it will be interesting to see what he comes up with if and when he introduces the actual magnets.

Thanks again for your help Carlos,

Rick

[Michael John Nunnerley]

HI Rick, no time no see, how are things.

I hope you don't mind a bit of advice, try putting your wheel vertical and place weights to counter the sticking points. The sets of magnets should be three and then let gravity with the weights counter the stopping points. They must NOT be symetrical, the weights and the sets of magnets.

Think about it and draw it on paper before you do anything.

Regards to you and yours

Mike

[rickoff]

Pipe Dream Update:

Hi folks,

It has been awhile since my last update, so I hope that no one thought I had canceled the Pipe Dream project. As I explained earlier, going all out on the project during the months of May, June, and July, required that I neglect important maintenance and renovation work on both my home and cottage. When the weather finally began to cooperate in August, I knew I had better get busy. Much of my time has been spent at my summer cottage scraping and painting the exterior of the cottage and three other outbuildings there, repairing damage caused by winter ice, and preparing firewood for fall and spring use. It is getting to be quite chilly there now, dropping down around freezing at nights, so I have now closed the cottage for the winter. Now I'm concentrating on getting a few outdoor projects completed here at home before the days become too cold and the snow flies. With the cottage closed down, though, at least some of the pressure is off, and I can begin stealing some time to work on the Pipe Dream prototype once again. Having had plenty of time to think about things, while working on cottage and home projects, I have decided to focus my attention on magnetic means of moving the slider carriage. See my previous explanation of this method in the post found with this link:
http://www.energeticforum.com/66922-post298.html

Up to this point I just haven't had enough time to much more than think about what I wanted to do, and how I wanted to do it, but am starting now to work on a diagram that will show you how the carriage and stator movements will be achieved. So please bear with me and have patience. Perhaps I can indroduce the diagram in stages of development, and then include a gif animation. I will then follow that up with photos and video showing the actual construction and implementation methods.

Thanks for your continued interest and support, and best wishes to all,

Rick

[Cloxxki]

I had received a video from the person who originally produced this, but could not make much out of it since it was in the Spanish language. I asked Carlos if he could watch the video and translate it for me, and he kindly helped out by adding subtitles to it. Thank you, Carlos. Now the meaning is much clearer. What isn't quite clear is how this person expects to be able to manufacture a bar magnet, magnetized through its thickness, which is stronger at one end than at the other. It appears that he will not be using "screening," (shielding), so it will be interesting to see what he comes up with if and when he introduces the actual magnets.

Thanks again for your help Carlos,

Rick

Hi Rick, Carlos,
It seems the Rodin coil might be capable of such a feat.
However, I think it may need to be upscaled to truly magnetize a bar magnet of useful magnitude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bhs-Bv9HSk

No one technology seems to be really useful without the other. That's OK though, if people work together.

[rickoff]

Hi Cloxxki,

Thanks for the interesting video link. It is the first time that I have ever seen an apparently true monopole magnet demonstrated. If a hex wrench can be magnetized this way, then it is reasonable to assume that other ferrous materials could also be magnetized in this manner. Is there anyone here who has been playing with a Rodin coil, and who could make available such a magnet sample for a rotational experiment?

[Cloxxki]

Hi Cloxxki,

Thanks for the interesting video link. It is the first time that I have ever seen an apparently true monopole magnet demonstrated. If a hex wrench can be magnetized this way, then it is reasonable to assume that other ferrous materials could also be magnetized in this manner. Is there anyone here who has been playing with a Rodin coil, and who could make available such a magnet sample for a rotational experiment?

My pleasure to do something back Rick. I don't have skills to create like you, but I have time to randomly collect new info.

The Monopole may NOT be a 100% monoploe perse. I've read accounts of users that repeated the experiment with more sophisticated pole detectors, who DID find SOME South pole reading. But 100% is not what Carlos seems to be after, a stong bias might suffice for the bar magnet clustering experiment he proposes?

I have no knowledge on magnetism, you'll be better to assess hich amount of exposure might suffice to magnetize some bars. Realize though, they will be all North biased, I hope Carlos' theory works with that. Further examination to Rodin Coil magnetized objects should be mighty interesting.

[rickoff]

Hi Cloxxki,

Carlos subtitled the video, but the person who made the video is known as MrTitan1976 on YouTube. Yes, a strong bias would appear to be what he is after, and it appears that the Rodin coil is definitely capable of producing such a magnet.