What is the REAL story with this "Mylow Device"?

[jibbguy]

I'm afraid this has a lot of "questions"; but doesn't offer much in the way of "answers" . But perhaps together, we can work out what the heck is going on with this very strange event!

April, 1979 ... The date of the major Patent being awarded on Howard Johnson's all-magnet motor technology.

April 2009 (EXACTLY THIRTY YEARS LATER): A highly controversial new replication of the Howard Johnson "Stonehenge" all-magnet motor has taken up the interest of the Open Source and Free Energy communities... Polarizing them into 2 camps, and causing more uproar than has been seen in years.

Q1 [Question One] : What is the significance, if any, of the "Exactly 30 Years" time frame here?

... Just coincidence?

Could it be that there was an ordered "30 Year Ban" on this technology... And that ban is finally now over? If so, how does the alleged inventor, Mylow, fit into all this?

Q1A: Is it that Mylow just happened to have an all-magnet motor at just the right time to escape the usual suppression? In other words, was he simply the "first" to come along when the ban was nearly over, so he was mainly left alone when many previous inventors over the years with similar discoveries were suppressed?

Q1B: Or could it be... That behind the scenes, this inventor Mylow is being nearly 100% manipulated and controlled by the government, and is being used as the means to get this technology out to the public? That Mylow IS the "carpenter statuette", the Pawn that is only a small part in a huge plan (a reference to the very odd video he posted, where he repeatedly referred to the "symbolism" of the little statuette)?

Q1C: Or is the whole thing a carefully crafted, professionally done fraud? We can see from what has transpired, that this thing is either "for real"... Or if not "real", then it is no prank or individual's hoax. In this scenario, it was planned and started well in advance (at least 10 months previously), and there are signs of a significant budget and resources being used here (and we would then have Sterling being lied to about the "NSA involvement" from the Congressional Office, or his friend "JB", which Mylow could not have perpetrated by himself). In this scenario, the "30 years" is just another piece of data that could possibly be used as false "proof".

Of course the main and VERY VALID and sustainable reasons for still adhering to this "fraud" possibility despite the several convincing videos are Mylow's continued and inexplicable refusals for allowing any Independent Verifications to be done... And also the very strange comments filtered through Sterling Allen from Mylow that have raised eyebrows.. Specifically the ones about "MIB" / NSA involvement that are quite astonishing, and when taken at face value, frankly very hard to believe for many (since we have seen instances over the years of fakers hiding behind "MIB Suppression" stories).

Going back to "Q1B", the "Controlled Mylow as Pawn" scenario.... There are several reasons to support this, imo:

> As the end of the "30 year ban" approached, the government needed a means of getting the technology released in such a way that questions about the years of suppression, and the topic of energy suppression in general, were avoided (this was important as there are several highly important technologies, such as the Stanley Meyer system for very efficient generation and combustion of Hydroxy, still "on the shelves" that they DO NOT yet want released.. Despite the highly questionable and frankly unbelievable comments about a "Summer Release" of technologies).

> So a private citizen was chosen as a DENIABLE means of getting the technology released to the world. This person was ordered by the government to do and say what it would take to get the Open Source and free energy communities to embrace and replicate the technologies; so that it appeared it was a "natural" occurrence. This possibly included "coaching" to complete a working device, and even added in the "secret spice" about "MIB involvement" as a "hook".

> In support of this scenario, note the original device had channel magnets on the rotor. These proved hard to find. For this and other reasons, only a hand-full of people in the community took up the challenge to replicate. None were successful. Then a few weeks later, we have a second device: This time with much easier-to-find bar magnets on the Rotor, and curved DC electric motor magnets on the Stator. It is almost as if they WANTED more replications... By making it easier to do so.

> Another interesting angle to the "Mylow As Controlled Pawn" scenario is that it could explain the otherwise "inexplicable" refusals to have any independent verifications such as eyewitness visits and tests & measurements performed on the device. He could have done this many times, easily and by a multiplicity of ways, but always found an excuse not to (... And imo, some of the excuses were quite transparent). If this is all true, and Mylow was / is only a "Pawn" to get the technology released in a plausibly deniable way... Then his controllers did not want him to be the "main focus":

They want the independently done REPLICATIONS to be the focus... Thus minimizing the chance of the government people being exposed as pulling all the strings "behind the curtain". When multiple replications are finally seen, Mylow's role would become much less important, and the new replications take center stage... Thus helping to insure that the controllers stay in the shadows. These people LOVE to have others do their "dirty work": They are masters at manipulation, and when a "regular citizen" can be used, it lowers their vulnerability to exposure.

> In the above scenario, this points out a significant FAILURE on the part of the government "handlers".... They expected more replications to happen sooner. They apparently completely mis-read how we would view this, and underestimated our ability to "smell" something fishy going on. They thought we would all immediately jump on the band-wagon and start replicating, without serious question! Thus they had to come out with the later design with the cheaper and more common rotor bar magnets, and create the more convincing videos.

Lol, if this is the case, it appears they are not only going to leave any future replicators alone and not "bother" them; but they are probably shaking their heads and wondering what it will take to get us off our collective duffs and replicate the device!

The above are theories based on observations... And i do not claim to know any answers, or even to be the first one to think of them. My ONLY interest here is to get an article about this technology out there into the public realm ASAP... Lol, but certainly not until i know what is going on here!!

Please comment if you have any ideas about what is going on with this strange affair! I am not interested in arguing my points (yours would be just as valid), just finding some "truth"... And imo, the one thing many of us can agree on is this:

It is EXTREMELY unlikely that this event could transpire exactly as claimed. Something, i don't know exactly what yet, is "odd" about it. I'm not suggesting anyone is a "liar" or a "scammer"... And if there is a big difference between the reported events and the actual truth, imo it is probably because there is another force at work here behind the scenes... And any blame must be put on this force, not their victims.

It is my experience that life is not "Black and White": It comes in 256 shades of Gray. And it is my opinion that this affair has another answer than either: "Mylow is a scammer!", Or that "Mylow is telling the truth!". Just where this gray-scale leads us, is the ultimate Question.

[Joit]

I think at last, Mylow has a working Device.
That he finnished it about 30 Years later is maybe just accidently, even i
think, it isnt 30 Years, till the Patent is out, and a working Model is here,
that can be earlier or later been as 1979.

You see a lot of Attempts to build a working Motor, but the one from Mylow runs, simple as it is, and he shows that he dont use Tricks, with all his Power.

The real Shame what i see there is, what this Guys at OU.com and YouTube do with it.
Even when it looks pretty Clear, they prefer to discuss first 200! Pages about it, and cry close all second Post its a scam and a Fake.
Mylow try to explain it best as he can, and all he get for it are Slaps.
And the biggest Crybaby from them sit behind his PC and do Magnetic Simulations, and 'have no Time', to prove it, but still the biggest Whiner from all.
Go figure, close 300 Pages of Post, and less or no Rebuilds, what even would look similar to Mylows Motor.
Some Guys seems think, when they put some Magnets together, it must work, because it did for someone else.
And if they wanna be the Police for a Truth, then they should care about all the other Lies, with what we have to live,
instead cry Scam, and rebuild, and see, if they can something improve or really show, it dont work.

I even dont think, that its controlled, that it goes now public,
and maybe he still got it a while now, and first now he give out the Vids,
and sometimes, you get the last Idea, when you see other building similar Devices.

What the Story with the Mibs is, i think noone can say it, when he wasnt there.
But there are enough Examples, that Peoples get chased, when they have some unusual Findings.
And the List of Death Scientists is long.
So i dont think, its only for his PR, what he tells about.

Another Thing for me is weird, that you cant get that Forms of Magnets easly, when you dont order them.
All this HDD Magnets are made like, you get no chance, to do something else with it,
as to use it in Harddrives.
But it seems like its well knowed, to putting the right Magnets into a Motor can increase the Efficience.

For a Guy, who wanna make it public over the Mibs, you can look at Soukup,
a German 'Researcher' what claims he got a Motor, but all what he shows,
looks more like Crap and as if he will fool Peoples.
No Compare to Mylow, what actually does it in silence, and Sterling did come at him over YT and OU.com.
I dont think, that something like this is planned from Mibs, they would be more public, and i bet, more clumsy.

[jibbguy]

Nice comments, Joit. You make good points.

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Here is the Patent i was referring to, #4,151,431 ; dated "April 24, 1979" .

Howard Johnson: Permanent Magnet Motor

Permanent magnet motor - Patent 4151431

Notice in the second link that it was first filed in "1973"... I believe that this is the one that Mr. Johnson had to take to Federal Patent Appeals Court to finally get awarded.

[Stealth]

Coincidence or not, I agree that if you are going to cry foul, then at least you should take the time to prove it doen't work. Even if yours doen't work, this does not necessarily apply to his. There are so many factors that can influence a design. Only a few millimeters off on the stator or rotor magnets could make the difference between defeat and success. My replication didn't work, but I don't think it would take a great deal of experimenting to tweak the magnets and create a self running motor. It is not easy when looking at a video or a patent, without tolerances, magnet strengths, size and materials they are made of, really effect, not only the efficiency, but the overall operation of the motor(machine). I do0n't think many people are like me, they build a magnet motor of their own design, or replicate one, and claim that it's impossible to build one that will self run. I have built many replications that don't work, for whatever reason, but I still believe it's still possible. So I keep trying. Time is my least available commodity. There is never enough. Good Luck. Stealth

[Iotayodi]

Mylow alone is responsible for any negative or positive statements about it. The device wasnt given enough personal audience which brought about the negative remarks. But even with other devices that had multiple persons present, have had their claims shot down. Some are even being sued or in court. The whole Mylow thing has turned into a soap opera. Its a waste of time for anyone to make negative statements on the device unless someone has the "exact" setup. The setup may even have to be in the same latitude as mylow is. Its just a model for study not a Political disaster. If you spend your money on building the model,then you must find out why it works or doesn't work. Most will tell you it cant work because of the natural laws of physics. They are hard to break or rearrange. But if you do you are in the books. Even if Mylows device works,the question still remains on how long it works. I dont see it working for any real amount of time myself. But Mylow is given it the old college try and you cant berate him for that.

[Matthew Jones]

I think it works. I think it will run for a good amount of time. The only problem in current state is its useless. It just spins. It has no means of a net gain in power. Not to say it doesn't have potential.

I personally don't think that it is an exceptional conspiracy. The fact that it is 30 years to date is probably more coincidence than anything.

The NSA thing is the most perplexing. I just moved away from the Baltimore Washington area. I lived 10 minute from NSA for 15 years. I know hundreds of people who are employed there, including neighbors.
They do not run operation or have law enforcment type agents. They simply just proccess data for information. They monitor phone calls, they read papers, they intercept radio communication, ect... and the only people employed by them that carry badges are the security team.
I could go on....

Why it hasn't been duplicated is beyond me. I have yet to see anything that looks like good details on it. That may be primary reason. He's not giving all the details, or not giving them correctly.

He should point to is resources for magnets. He should give the specs on the aluminum in his platter. Alot of factors could be at play.

I feel for him. Especially if its real.

Your right thought, replica's do need to be started.

Matt

[rickoff]

> In support of this scenario, note the original device had channel magnets on the rotor. These proved hard to find. For this and other reasons, only a hand-full of people in the community took up the challenge to replicate. None were successful. Then a few weeks later, we have a second device: This time with much easier-to-find bar magnets on the Rotor, and curved DC electric motor magnets on the Stator. It is almost as if they WANTED more replications... By making it easier to do so.

Yes, no channel magnets could be located anywhere that matched the dimensions of Mylow's alnicos. Since no replicators succeeded when using similar magnets, but not exact duplicates, that left no way to actually prove that Mylow's setup could work, or not work, as claimed. Using such obscure magnets for his build made independent verifications impossible. While at first look the bar magnets appear to be something one might more easily find, that really isn't the case either. Sterling Allan asked me, last week, if I would make an attempt at determining the dimensions of Mylow's bar and stator magnets, and I spent a considerable amount of time going through all the bar magnet videos in order to approximate the sizes. What I found, concerning the bar magnets, is that they measure 1/2" x 1/2" x 1.875" in length. If you attempt to find bar magnets of those exact dimensions at magnet supply stores found on the Internet, I am reasonably certain that you will have no luck. I checked with at least a dozen suppliers who sell ceramic magnets, and found several magnets with the same length, but not with the 1/2" x 1/2" dimensions. So here you go again, another build that cannot possibly be duplicated. Perhaps he bought these at the same surplus store (or whatever it was) that he found the alnicos at, and again they are "the last of their kind." Then again, if one of your theories is correct, perhaps Mylow is being handed these magnets by some entity exactly for the reason that no one else will be able to replicate Mylow's exact setup, or be able to verify or disprove what Mylow claims to have done. On the face of it, Mylow appears to be your "average Joe" type of guy who is tinkering around and perhaps stumbles on a discovery of merit. The greatest problem that has caused so many naysayers to jump out of the woodwork is that darned columnar base he is using. The size is such that it could, in fact, house a small electric motor and enough battery power to run the motor for at least 10 minutes (length of his videos) at the low 80 rpm rate we are seeing as his top speed in the bar magnet videos. He takes the rotor plate off the base and shows the bearing at the top end, but whatever lies beneath that is anyone's guess. If he had taken the base completely apart before the end of his last video then that might have quelled nuch of the rampant disbelief of the naysayers, but he didn't do that and now says that he is putting everything away and will make no more videos. I was willing to believe that Mylow's claims may have been genuine, but it seems that if he really wanted to prove that they were then he would have welcomed personal inspection by some well known, independent authority, just as you have pointed out. That didn't happen, even though there were offers, and perhaps that is the "nail in the coffin," so to speak, for many who have been watching this saga unfold. I'm still not entirely convinced, however, that his results were not authentic. In experimenting with my own setup (see "Rick's Pipe Dream" thread), which is actually a somewhat radical departure from what Mylow was doing, I definitely was able to achieve rotational movement when configuring my magnets in a similar fashion. Since the time of those preliminary tests, I have ordered and received a sufficient quantity of magnets which I will use for further tests. If a similar configuration to what Mylow used does not pan out quickly, I won't be spending any further time with it because I really built my test rig for experiments to explore my own ideas. Even if I succeed with a Mylow type of simulation, that of course won't actually verify the validity of Mylow's build. It might, however, show that what he claims to have done may have been possible. I really do think that a useful magnetic motor is possible, and I'm hoping that others will join me in an effort to standardize a test apparatus so that results obtained by one will be achievable by all when using commonly available construction parts and magnets. Unlike Mylow, I will give complete specs for everything in my build, and absolutely nothing will be hidden or obscure about it. It is a "WYSIWYG" build, with nothing left to the imagination, and no conceivable mode of it operating other than by magnetic interaction. I hope to achieve some positive results soon, but if not I will keep at it until I do. Now that I have the apparatus and the magnets, I can experiment with it every day.

Best regards,

Rick

[sigzidfit]

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[ashtweth]

the Real story should be us all in the shop and getting (or seeing ) it working and getting it out FIRST. Any thing else is a distraction

[Mark]

The thing that bothered me the most about his video is when he was adjusting the disk or rotor. His hands could not be seen and he kept reaching up near the bearing and moving things, possibly turning on a motor. Why wouldn't you just move the stator to line things up? It would be much easier to see what you were doing and just makes more sense. I really want to believe it works but too many things just dont add up. Until someone can replicate it I wont believe it.

[Hoppy]

The thing that bothered me the most about his video is when he was adjusting the disk or rotor. His hands could not be seen and he kept reaching up near the bearing and moving things, possibly turning on a motor. Why wouldn't you just move the stator to line things up? It would be much easier to see what you were doing and just makes more sense. I really want to believe it works but too many things just dont add up. Until someone can replicate it I wont believe it.

I agree: Video 17 1.38 to 1.57 says it all for me. Listen carefully to all his words during this sequence.

YouTube - (NEW VIDEO #17) Magneticmotor1 (Mylow) Magnet Motor

Hoppy

[Joit]

Seriously, when you look for any little Hole, where someone can hide something in it, then all would need to make her Videos at a Glasstable.

Otherwise are there more then enough Moments, where you can say,
it runs, but for the other Moments, where you cant see all, they count Zero?

I just ignore Devices, where i am not sure, if they work or not,
but there is no Point for to cry Scam and Fake.
Mylow dont even claim, he did do something unique, or wanna get a Prize for it.
He shows what he did do, and who are willing to try it out, can do that.

And for myself, i prefer more, to see more Videos from him, even when i cant say, i am sure, and maybe learn something new,
as to see him Deleting his Account all few Weeks and redo all his Videos new,
because he got bothered like, he is Criminal..

Edit I looked now at the Time, you mentioned, he is adjusting the Disc at the Bearing below.
What Ghost else are there ? Just shaking my Head sometimes..

[rickoff]

Mylow's newest setup dimensions

The photo below is a still photo sent to Sterling Allan by Mylow, which I have marked. This straight-down overhead view enabled me to precisely extrapolate the measurements of Mylow's latest setup. This revises the specifications that I derived earlier from other videos of Mylow using the bar magnets. Those videos did have some overhead views, but appeared very distorted because of the camera angles, which skewed the measurements significantly. My new data is offered below to anyone interested, and is far more precise.


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Additional still photos, with much better quality and detail than the videos offer can be found here:
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/MagneticMotors/Mylow/v2.0/Photos

Rickoff

[everwiser]

The thing that bothered me the most about his video is when he was adjusting the disk or rotor. His hands could not be seen and he kept reaching up near the bearing and moving things, possibly turning on a motor. Why wouldn't you just move the stator to line things up? It would be much easier to see what you were doing and just makes more sense. I really want to believe it works but too many things just dont add up. Until someone can replicate it I wont believe it.

This is what bothered me about the video as well. His hands stay out of sight and he makes a point of talking about "having to get it positioned just right" or some such nonsense. His hub/axle/shaft/whatever is too big. There is no need for something needing to have minimal friction to be so large. Add to this that it's all sitting on some kind of cloth making it really easy to hide some wires that (IMHO) he's hooking up while his hand(s) are hidden. It just really smells to high heaven...

[Michelinho]

Hi all,

I think everybody should be worrying at how he could make it work instead of how he could fake it. I've seen such discussion at another forum getting sour and insults and innuendo were flowing instead of ideas. That kind of attitide is not productive. Keep it to yourself if you have no hard proof.

As rick said in another post, we must stay positive.

Take care all,

Michel