rethinking science

[TRON]

recently, i met an older engineer (a Asian gentleman) who used to work on LARGE government projects. MR G. is well over 80 years old and had some interesting insights into science. The two discussions we had in his shop/home were about how science has missed the RADIANT energy all around us. His contention is that MATTER and ENERGY are NOT related. He says that the E=MC2 formula is WRONG. Matter and elements radiate energy that is eternal. they are like antennas, they do not produce the energy...like when you burn a piece of wood you are just seeing the release of existing energy by causing to different materials to react together, carbohydrates in the wood and oxygen in the air...or something like that (his english was very hard to understand).

He is very adamant about the fact that (in his opinion) the universe of matter is 1/3 the size of the energy universe. I explained Stan Meyers system to him and he decided that i wasn't thinking along the same lines as he was. His point was that when we release hydrogen from water we are using technology, not science. He said that when we look into space we see millions if not billions of star systems that are radiating energy everywhere and that these energy fields do not cancel each other out, they do not interfere with each other. Like our Sun as relates to solar photovoltaic electricity, we should be focusing on capturing free space energy, or picking it up with antennas of some sort. I will try to get more information out of him... he seems to be hiding some dark secrets,,,, he also stated that the Big Oil companies would never allow us to mass produce this kind of system.

All of the great discoveries of the future will come from understanding that the physics that is taught in books and in colleges is FLAWED because they are starting out with the belief that MATTER PRODUCES or is THE SOURCE of ENERGY. We need to RE-THINK SCIENCE from the ground up!

[Peter Lindemann]

Excellent

TRON,

I agree 100%. Your friend is both wise and knowledgeable. Learn all you can from him.

The biggest impediment to making this intellectual transition, is the emotional upheaval it causes. We have all been lied to about how the Universe works, in a wholesale manner. Modern physics is nothing more than a "hand maiden" in the Castle of Financial Barons. It has nothing to offer, either itself, or a hopeful public in need.

Peter

[Vortex]

Tron,
It isn't hard to find examples that do not fit into the "mold" of what we have been told.

As Peter said "100% agree", and he has been telling those that would listen this for a very long time.

Peter,
it would be great if you have time, to review the link below and maybe expand or explain what is covered there. If nothing else, take a quick look
at the images on that web page.

All,
I'm still lacking a "ah-ha" moment .. I have the "oh-it's there" feeling due to the research I've done. I see and read things where I lack the background knowledge to grasp the meaning or to make use of it.

For example in the link below: "THIS IS POWER .. NOT ENERGY."
I'm lacking a good mental image of the difference between power and energy.

Link originally posted by Ted Ewert here.
The link is a single web page : Compelling Questions About The Grand Unified Theory
Which is busting loose and declaring a lot of "laws" are just wrong.
Newton, Thermodynamics, Faraday, etc.


About the link above, I have a "feeling" about this information but not grasping it.
It would help me to know it does or does not relate to things Peter Lindemann has told us.

Thanks
Randy

[uusedman]

can you please start posting everything you get from him? all info is welcomed.

[Peter Lindemann]

Interesting

Tron,
It isn't hard to find examples that do not fit into the "mold" of what we have been told.

As Peter said "100% agree", and he has been telling those that would listen this for a very long time.

Peter,
it would be great if you have time, to review the link below and maybe expand or explain what is covered there. If nothing else, take a quick look
at the images on that web page.

All,
I'm still lacking a "ah-ha" moment .. I have the "oh-it's there" feeling due to the research I've done. I see and read things where I lack the background knowledge to grasp the meaning or to make use of it.

For example in the link below: "THIS IS POWER .. NOT ENERGY."
I'm lacking a good mental image of the difference between power and energy.

Link originally posted by Ted Ewert here.
The link is a single web page : Compelling Questions About The Grand Unified Theory
Which is busting loose and declaring a lot of "laws" are just wrong.
Newton, Thermodynamics, Faraday, etc.


About the link above, I have a "feeling" about this information but not grasping it.
It would help me to know it does or does not relate to things Peter Lindemann has told us.

Thanks
Randy

Randy,

The link definitely has some good stuff, but even this author has not shown designs that "best embody" the ideas he is promoting. Straightening out your head does not automatically make you a good engineer! Diagram 10 is a good example. His design is missing three simple features that making lifting water, at least 32 feet, a self-powering process, using Centrifugal Force.

A working system would include a stationary standing pipe with a passive "check valve" at the bottom, in a lower water pool. At the top, the interface between the standing pipe and the rotating section is provided by a device called a "rotary union" (such as this: Rotating Swivels - Rotary Swivels - Rotary Couplings - Rotary Joints - Rotary Unions) The rotating section at the top is spun up with a starter motor to produce a "vacuum" in the center to "lift" the water up the pipe (artificial siphon) and the high pressure water at the perimeter by Centrifugal Force. It uses standard nozzle technology to blast the water ejected by the system into stationary "Pelton Wheel" type cups that re-direct the water blast back at the wheel to push it again. The nozzle reaction torque combined with anything else you can extract from the water bounce-back, is used to relieve the energy of the motor turning the upper wheel. If you can reduce the amount of electricity the motor uses by 50% or more, then you just lifted the water for a major discount. If you can relieve the motor by 85%, then all the better.

This is a matter of engineering design and managing the nozzle and receiver cup geometries. Here, we can see that a larger diameter wheel helps because the pressure of the water coming out the nozzles is driven by the Centrifugal Force. The reaction torque from the nozzles is based on the velocity of the water ejected. At the point where the water is ejected from the nozzles at twice the perimeter speed of the wheel, the probability of "self turning" becomes very good! So, once you have the geometry right, relieving the start motor 100% should be possible.

The water is then caught in a pool at the higher elevation, which can then run another identical system on its return to the bottom. The return system does not need a motor to spin it up, because it has 30 ft of water pressure to get things started. The combined energy gain from gravity and centrifugal force should be substantial.

There are dozens of these "windows of opportunity" in the Natural World. Developing a well engineered design for a machine that operates in a stable manner in one of these windows takes more work.

That's just one example. Enjoy.

Peter

[Joit]

I guess, he is pointing you to Orgonenergy, some claim it as the Sea of Energy, where we live in.
Henry Moray did build a Device after this Principle,
and i found a Document today, what describes more around it,
beside Energy at Hurricans, what increase speed up by herself and cool down the Air around herself,
some Schauberger Models and Explanations, Rotation of the Planets, N- Maschines, and it seems its all connected together with this Theorie,
even when i more think, its a lot of Truth in it, as only Theorie.

[boguslaw]

Moving standing waves all around.
Matter Waves and Buddhist Thought - Explaining Tetrode and the EPR Effect

and electron is just interference pattern.

it is ultimate knowledge prepared for us from the origin of the spacetime byt Good God, but we were mislead and still are. That knowledge lead directly to new paradise or creation that's why you will not see it in commercialized world. With that knowledge creation of matter from nothing is possible and available for everyone withouth huge energy.
You can eliminate any virus for example immediately ...

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Brilliant stuff, this is how we need to think if we are to succeed in finding new energy. The problem is to think in this way after being brain washed all those years in school and uni: Perhaps we can take out our brain and wash it in the machine and then put it back again, only joking I think I will go with a split personality idea


Mike