Phi Transformer / generator

[vzon17]

I am going to build a phi transformer, like on this diagram I attached. I was wondering if anybody has tried this yet and if they got any good results.

There are some nice magnets I found that are a cylinder with a hole down the middle and they are magnetize diametrically. They can easily be put on a shaft for spinning and be a ready made genetaror rotor.

Anybody want to join my group also that will be dealing with this and any other related pulsemotors and bedini SSG motor and Adams motor and Bedini FEG type setups, I started a yahoo group for that. more for beginner level stuff. So if you want to share join up.
rotarymagnetics : Rotary Magnetics

[Ted Ewert]

I am going to build a phi transformer, like on this diagram I attached. I was wondering if anybody has tried this yet and if they got any good results.

There are some nice magnets I found that are a cylinder with a hole down the middle and they are magnetize diametrically. They can easily be put on a shaft for spinning and be a ready made genetaror rotor.

Anybody want to join my group also that will be dealing with this and any other related pulsemotors and bedini SSG motor and Adams motor and Bedini FEG type setups, I started a yahoo group for that. more for beginner level stuff. So if you want to share join up.
rotarymagnetics : Rotary Magnetics

Been down that road already and I wouldn't get your hopes up. This configuration does not do what it says it does. Lenz law is in full force and the output is very low.
I even tried a number of different configurations, none of which worked worth spit. This is one of those designs that only works well on paper.

Ted

[petersone]

Hi Ted
I have to agree,Mr Lenz has plenty say about that one.
Butch la Fonte over at ou has an interseting set up for a Lenz free genny,have a look,see what you think.
peter

[wrtner]

Hi Ted
I have to agree,Mr Lenz has plenty say about that one.
Butch la Fonte over at ou has an interseting set up for a Lenz free genny,have a look,see what you think.
peter

Where about in that dog's dinner of a site? It has just under 7,000
threads, mostly complete crap.

Don't forget the Phi variant where the coils appear wound on a
semicircular core which is brought up to the main circular core.
(Two of them would look a bit like a pair of big ears).
Paul.

[Ted Ewert]

Don't forget the Phi variant where the coils appear wound on a
semicircular core which is brought up to the main circular core.
(Two of them would look a bit like a pair of big ears).
Paul.

Doesn't work either.
Magnetic induction in a generator is a particular thing. In order to efficiently produce current, the cores have to be short. Look at how a car alternator is constructed for a good lesson in core and coil design.
When the magnet passes all that core material in the phi design, it realigns a lot of magnetic domains. This takes work which is unrecoverable (hysteresis losses). There is no getting around this loss. It's not a matter of the current going two ways and canceling out, because it's a local, physical effect.
There are also eddy currents induced into the core material which add to the drag. If this were not enough, you further have significant magnetic field strength losses due to the length of the core.
In short, it don't work so well.

Ted

[petersone]

Hi Paul
Yes I agree,the site is a bit of a mess,I will post the direct link in 2 ticks,I don't know if the idea is any good,but a clever one,I think.
peter

[petersone]

Hi Paul
New LaFonte Group generator design
That's the page,I think, probably no Lenz,and probably no juice!!! but neat.
peter

[wrtner]

Doesn't work either.
There are also eddy currents induced into the core material which add to the drag.
Ted

Supposing the toroid was made of segments of permanent magnets
(if such could be found)? Would this obviate the need for magnetisation
etc?

Petersone: thanks for the link.

Paul.

[Ted Ewert]

Supposing the toroid was made of segments of permanent magnets
(if such could be found)? Would this obviate the need for magnetisation
etc?


Paul.

If the core were magnetized in one direction, how would any energy be induced into the coils? You might get a little when the magnet passed by the coil, but you need a changing field in the core to induce electricity in the coil.

[vzon17]

Got a start on the Torriod coil.

I have a torriod core that is about 2 inches in diameter. I have stated winding the wire for one section there will be two sections that go 1/4 way around the core. I am winding them like telsas bifilar coil. wind the coil down one side and then carry the wire back to the start and lay down the next layer . thay way the cails are all going in the same direction instead of back and forth like most coils.

Study the attched diagram. notice how if you follow the blue wire from left to right it then attches to the red wire goes back to the left side and lays down another winding. This is different than the bifilar coils everybody is used to winding. I am doing this and then reapeating the process for 4 layers.

[airmachine]

Dont Waste Our Time....

Im electrodynamic enginner for Praga University, and this generator "DO NOT WORK", WE SPEND YET 23000 EUROS IN MATERIALS AND... DO NOT WORK"

COP = 0.7

10W= 8.1W
30W= 24.3W
60W= 48.7W
100W=84.3W
500W=426.5W
1000W=821.3W

[Blargus]

Thanks for this thread, very helpful.

[wrtner]

Alexander Frolov has been working on this. I would be surprised if the project is rubbish:

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/ph-machine.htm

[wrtner]

...and his "200% power amplifier"
http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/projects.html

[Blargus]

The claims are: 1200 Watts coil out with about 1076.4 Watts in into the driving motor at 3450 RPM.
8 amps @117volts at noload
9.2 amps @117 volts at full load

The output of about 1200 Watts is already a total overunity operation !

As they just increase the input power by about 140 Watts only between idle and load state and they get 1200 Watts output it seems indeed a case, where Lenz law is violated ! (the driving motor
is inefficient in this case)

Thanks a lot for the link! So forgive me but it seems like what he's saying is that the experiment proves that there is a mitigated Lenz effect, but not as Patrick Kelly says here an "8.5 COP." Would be more like 1.1 COP? But still if true pretty amazing.

http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/TopTen.pdf