Manipulating Of Magnetic Flux

[Michael John Nunnerley]

I thought that this would make a good supporting thread for all other threads which are working on a possible PMM where all ideas could be thrashed out and tested away from main construction threads such as RICK'S PIPE DREAM where I have posted a leed in to this thread.

I have been looking at different possibilities of being able to use perminent magnets as a form of free energy and as so I have been conducting experiments on this subject. There have been many claims in all areas on blocking magnetic fields, you tube is full of it, but there is one thing that, CAN NOT BE DONE, at the moment, and that is to block a magnetic field.

What can be done is to manipulate those fields so as they can be used. There are many patents of which many people have tried to replicate and have failed, and why is that, well ALL patents do not tell the WHOLE story, if they did they would be shooting themselves in the foot. I have patents and they are like this, the patent writers do this as a safe guard for their clients, the Howard Johnson patent is but one, if you build it as the patent IT WILL NOT WORK, 100 percent garantee, but IT DOES WORK if you know what is left out to make it work.

Well enough said at the moment, lets see who wants to participate in this thread.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

First video,as example

I have just uploaded my first video on this subject, please read the notes on the right of my page, but post all comments on this thread please so as we can keep all in one place for all to use.

Mike

YouTube - centraflow's Channel

[Stealth]

To block a magnetic field, take two magnets with same polarity, n-n or s-s, now insert a piece of the appropriate thickness of steel between the two magnets. Neutral reaction. The attraction cancels out the repulsion. Good Luck. Stealth

[jibbguy]

Great idea for a thread Michael.

I was watching the two videos produced back in the 1980's by
the team lead by Dr. Gerhard H. Beher, Professor Chemical Engineering at Virginia Tech, which included Howard R. Johnson and Steven Davis (Videos posted by YouTube User "Magnetman1000"). They show some of HJ's gate devices (and in the background, something that looks like it is possibly a wooden-constructed "Stonehenge"), as well as the flux mapping method and software.

Discovering Magnet Gates Part One

YouTube - Discovering Magnetism Magnetic Gates Howard Johnson 2006 part 1

Discovering Magnet Gates Part Two:

YouTube - Discovering Magnetism Magnetic Gates Howard Johnson 2006 2

In the first vid, it was perhaps a bit boring to watch Dr. Beher talk about maps... But when i watched it the second time through, and he was pointing to the underseas topagraphical map of the North and South Atlantic oceans... I started to think maybe he was trying to tell us something there... Maybe he was showing that two insecting realms of flux appear much like the mountan ranges on the bottom of the sea; maybe they create a "ridge" at intersection that can be used somehow. He seemed to give this scene some significance beyond just a simple example.

In fact, there may be a few more interesting "clues" snuck into those videos. I say this because these people were not naive; they knew how important their work actually was... Despite the very "laid-back" and mundane feel of those videos.

One question would be; what are the significance of some of the screen Plots they showed (they are interspersed throughout, at the beginning and end as well)... If we knew specifically what they were plotting it could be helpful (lol what would be better would be to have this program and stored data ourselves! ). We can also see a "train car" gate device with a totally different magnet arrangement than the one shown in the Bedini Shop video from a couple weeks ago.

At the end of the second vid, there are some very bold statements made, indeed.

Has anyone out there ever seen these particular videos previously (i mean before about 2 weeks ago)? I would be very interested to hear their history.

Electro-mechanical plotters like they used were common back then, they were called "X-Y Plotters" (i used to work on them back in the early days of my career, they used a precision carbon-graphite pot in a long strip, and an analog voltage for positioning). Later, a similar but all-digital tech was used with large vertical pen plotters used by Engineering Depts to print schematics and blue-prints. These old engineering pen plotters can still be gotten as "scrap" (the technology has mainly been replaced by wide body ink jets now), but the ones to get are the older type "X-Y Plotters" with two moving axis, and not the type with just a roller for the "Y" axis movement (like a modern consumer ink jet has).

One of these old "X-Y's" cobbled together with a method for moving the probe up and down would provide an automated X/Y/Z data sampling capability. A Hall-effect probe could then be "scanned" in 3 axis and samples recorded for each cubic mm or two. The data sample should represent both Gauss Strength and Polarity, and the data could be plotted and analyzed many different ways once the data was recorded.

There is a lot of work to building such a "3-D Magnetic Flux Scanner", and one would need to know programming to get it to work: Both writing software and probably FPGA firmware . But it would seem to offer a tremendous pay-off in that when we can visualize the "Spintronics" on a screen, we could then design either devices or magnet shapes themselves to take best advantage of the Magnetic spin vortex regions... Leading the way to working all-magnet devices with significant torque.

Lol the question would be, why has no one else besides the Virgina Tech / Professor Beher team apparently done this?

EDIT: The more i look at the end of the second video, the more it appears the "bold statements" were added later and were not part of the original video. I don't know what significance this has, but it needs mentioning.

[cody]

jibbguy,
Great videos man! I havnt seen those yet There has to be an easier way to measure those magnetic maps now with all the technology and such. I bet someone with a cnc machine, gaussmeter and some software could do it. I wonder what happened to that younger guy in the videos, he is probably still alive and im sure he knows a lot about what howard was up to.

[cody]

mike,
i have played with similar setups too, with the rooney stator. It is interesting. Have you seen the recent stuff with weird eddy currents. YouTube - weird eddy 1
YouTube - weird eddy 2

[Michael John Nunnerley]

To block a magnetic field, take two magnets with same polarity, n-n or s-s, now insert a piece of the appropriate thickness of steel between the two magnets. Neutral reaction. The attraction cancels out the repulsion. Good Luck. Stealth

Hi Stealth, thanks for your comment but this does not BLOCK the field it only diverts. You can not ever, as of yet, have an inbalance of north and south fields, there is always a mathamatical balance. I am here trying to establish different ways of bending or rerouting the field lines so as they can be used to create usable energy. When north seeks south, or in reverse, the energy is consumed within itself, it is not lost in the free space around the magnet.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

HI Jibbguy

Yes I have seen those vids, they are very interesting and I agree that a plotter would make things very much simpler, but money is in short supply in these hard times well it is in this house. I am not sure when this video was made, but judging by the computor I would say early 90's.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

mike,
i have played with similar setups too, with the rooney stator. It is interesting. Have you seen the recent stuff with weird eddy currents. YouTube - weird eddy 1
YouTube - weird eddy 2

Hi Cody

the Rooney stator does not work as he says, you do not need the batteries, I showed the same thing in my video by redirecting the flux lines, far more simple, and wait until I upload more vids

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Pdf Book For Download

HI all

Here is a book in pdf form for a free down load and I think that all will be very interested in this as it is an ongoing book on all possible free energy devices

Mike

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKbook.pdf

[Michael John Nunnerley]

The above book just about covers all known free energy devices, patents,working diagrams and script etc. it is , I think, the most complete book on these matters and goes into magnetic flux manipulation all be it for motors or for generating power without fisical movement. Some of these have been replicated and do work, but further development needs to be made to make them more practical and usable. It is an enciclopidia of free energy waiting to be developed, so lets get at it I have started on some of the none moving magnetic generators and adding what I think are improvements.

Mike

[oldHermit]

magnet manipulation?

I stumbled across this page from Tom Bearden's site last night:
The Tom Bearden Website

Has anyone tried anything like this? Given the time, I might try later today. If it does change the polarity, I'll post. If not.... I'll play with something else.

oldHermit

[Jacob S]

Great idea for a thread Michael.
Lol the question would be, why has no one else besides the Virgina Tech / Professor Beher team apparently done this?

I think that you answered your own question when you were describing how time-consuming the construction of the device would be.

I seem to recall that Graham Gunderson has also said that there isn't a lot of work being done in magnetics here in America (I'm guessing because it's considered so basic and well understood, that funding tends to go towards other projects). It could also be possible that this work isn't compatible with Quantum Electrodynamics, which would make the work sort of inconvenient (I'm not sure if it's compatible with QED or not, I'm just throwing that out there).

In 1998, Jean-Louis Naudin reproduced a poor-man's version of the work.

A Topographical Mapping of the Magnetic Field (Bar Magnet)
A Topographical Mapping of the Magnetic Field (Ring Magnet)

It looks like he just threw a magnet in a box, put graph paper over the box, and then took measurements with a Gauss meter (using the graph paper as a guide for where to measure) and used a computer program to plot the points.

[jibbguy]

That is very interesting Jacob, i hadn't seen that. Msr. Nauden never fails to amaze, that guy has done it all!!

The problem with the hand-held system is accuracy, which would become highly important with complex field interactions with multiple magnets (where such an automated plotting system will pay for itself in designing motor-generators, imo... Even possibly for conventional ones of greater efficiency )

I don't think that the reason it wasn't tried more often is because it is so "well understood" though... I believe Dr. Beher's Study never made it into the mainstream scientific literature, or any text books.

And according to accepted theory, the "North-attracting-North" phenomena which this is linked to is just not supposed to happen. Until we see how it graphs (the well-known spiral-like "cone shaped" graph in red and green being an example of this), we cannot understand it; but with the graph it starts to make a little sense and backs-up Mr. Johnson's video demo of the train gate, where there was the certain "cusp" point where the car was repulsed by the "tunnel" gate right up until that invisible very sharp "mm-wide" line where it was suddenly drawn in with great force.

That shows that there is a "ridge line" of greater intensity and Gauss differential, kind of like a strong build-up caused by "compression", right where the fields meet.... And imo, this was what Dr. Beyer was trying to show us in the beginning of Video #1 with the underwater topographical map of the Atlantic.

And compared to many scientific systems, the cost of this one would be "peanuts'.... When pricing some Gauss Meters, i saw several of them well over $6k in price (that's just the instrument box with probe). There are Chemistry Prof's who spend much more on glass pipets every year than this X-Y Plotter would cost ... And the signal monitoring & recording instruments my old company sold were often $100k or more; and were some of the cheapest stuff in these research labs i used to visit

But i am sure that there is much about magnetics that is being very heavily studied (including "Spintronics")... Just not openly and i would agree that some of this has to do with the conflicts to accepted theory. Some it also has to do with military secrecy. But the point is, seeing the current condition of the planet, can we afford that kind of silliness anymore?

History shows us that these paradigms don't change until they are "forced"... This usually being some undeniable event or invention coming along that makes the current Emperor suddenly look naked, and continued denials look just silly. As a recent example of this, look at "Energetics" of Israel's "Superwave" system for cold fusion getting up to "COP>25" with LENR (as well as many other successes with it around the world)... Which in turn resulted in the US Navy Research Lab's surprise acceptance last March.... Lol, believe me few in the scientific mainstream WANTED to do a "180" turnaround on LENR (many had been heavily invested and were ON RECORD debunking it for years): They had no choice, events forced their hand.

They somehow avoided that elephant in the room with magnetics 30 years ago (possibly because of what i have heard, that Virginia Tech is also the main training ground for the N.S.A. lol).... But times change, and so will this. I suspect that we will find that the greatest asset of this 3-D Magnetic Plotting device will not be regarding the actual results: But with the "Stripping of the Emperor"

[Michael John Nunnerley]

the meg

I stumbled across this page from Tom Bearden's site last night:
The Tom Bearden Website

Has anyone tried anything like this? Given the time, I might try later today. If it does change the polarity, I'll post. If not.... I'll play with something else.

oldHermit

Welcome oldhermit

This is how Tom started to develop the MEG, you can read up on this on various sites. It is a field of research which I am in at the moment but I do not want to post about this in this thread, I may in the future start another thread on my research only to say that you can manipulate magnetic field with very little energy and in return extract a vast amount of energy from that manipulated field.

I would like here input from all on different forms of manipulating fields and I do not mean GREEN fields, to use a pun

Mike