Atomic hydrogen furnace with COP of 21

[james west]

ICE or STERLING ENGINE?

I’ve been thinking about this atomic hydrogen effect and that the replication by J L Naudin only measured the heat gain and didn’t include in anyway the pressure gain from the diatomic hydrogen changing to monatomic form.
I don’t know how Herman Anderson ran his car but the sparkplug he patented didn’t look that special and his electrolysis cell discarded the O2 and kept the H2. Could his electrolysiser be used just to top up a sealed engine due to leakage of h2. Disconnect the cam belt, valves are not needed. Compress the H2 and disassociate with modified sparkplug. If the engine is at STP and 12:1 compression ratio should see a head pressure of about 350psi. Most cars have a head pressure of about 800psi but because the normal 4 stroke is no longer required the hydrogen engine will be 2 stroking so will get equivalent of 700Psi in 4 strokes plus the gain from the cam shaft rotating losses. Speed control via electrical energy supplied at the sparkplug.

OR,

Beta type sterling engine, again using a pressurised engine and corona discharge sparkplug, but more of the heat energy being used by the design of the regenerator in the sterling engine.

Any thoughts?

[eternalightwithin]

Ahh, actually Helium is about 4 times more powerful than Hydrogen.
108K versus 460K.

[james west]

@ lean mixture

i don't understand your question completely, but if you mean putting the atomic hydrogen back into water to aid further splitting then the answer is NO.
Lamuir showed that with his light bulb filament experiments (@ GE) that any water vapour killed the reaction. Diatomic hydrogen would split but you never get the energy gain from it re-combining, this is because it does not. What happens is the hydrogen proton joins to the water vapour and makes the hydronium ion, H3O.

[james west]

@ leanmixture

adding the hydrogen proton to water will make it more conductive but you will then have to supply the electron energy via your electrical supply to liberate it back into H2 gas. Where as in the atomic furnace reaction, I believe we are having a 4 stage reaction,
1/ supply electrical energy to ionize gas thus becoming electrically conductive.
2/ the H2 is stripped of its negative electrical energy, the electron charge. their is now a charge imbalance, the two protons left will be repelled from each other, hence disasociating.
3/ the protons cannot exist with a massive charge imbalance so "steals" the electron energy it needs from a highly electrically conductive source, the metal. this can be considered as pulling the energy in from the enviroment. hence the energy gain.
4/ the now charge balanced atomic hydrogen prefers to be diatomic with 2 electron energies in its outer valance partners up and forms diatomic hydrogen.

I hope this is useful explanation.

[Savvypro]

I'd like to make this a reference post, so can others check my calculations, the basis of my calculations, and my reasoning/conclusions.

Start of: Basis of my calculations:

From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie :

One gram calorie is approximately:

4.184 J (joules)
0.003964 BTU (British thermal units)
1.163x10(to power of)−6 kW·h (kilowatt hours)
2.611×10(to power of)19 eV (electron volts)

1 mole is about 12g - based on the weight of a mole gram of Carbon. Hydrogen is 1/12 the mass of Carbon: 1 gram. Based on the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(unit)

The following is from sciencegeek.net/Chemistry/taters/Unit5MolarVolume.htm :

Standard Molar Volume is the volume occupied by one mole of any gas at STP. Remember that "STP" is Standard Temperature and Pressure. Standard temperature is 0 ° C or 273 K. Standard pressure is 1 atmosphere or 760 mm Hg (also called "torr").

1 mole of any gas at STP occupies 22.4 liters of volume. Using this information, the volume occupied by any number of moles (or grams) can be determined. Conversely, the number of moles present in any volume of gas at STP can also be determined, and if the identity of the gas is known, this number of moles can be converted to a mass.

Standard molar volume is also useful for Density determinations at STP.
density at STP = mass of one mole / 22.4 liters

If the molar mass can be determined, from the chemical formula, for instance, then the density can be calculated. If the density is known, then the molar mass can be determined.

End of: Basis of my calculations...


Combining 2h to h2 gives off 109,000 cal/gram (this is one of the lowest figures for the atomic hydrogen reaction - see post 43 where I give the other figures I found).

1 gram calorie as stated above = 4.184 J

Therefore the resulting energy that is given off is: 456,056 Joules, 432.08 BTU's or 0.127 kW·h (109,000 x 0.000001163) per gram of hydrogen.

To generate 10kW·h (enough to run the average home with everything on), one would need about 78 grams.

1 gram at STP takes up 22.7 litres, 78 gram would take up 1,770.6 litres. A comparison would be about two IBC containers, each one being about 1m x 1m x 1m holding 1,000L.

The other option is splitting and recombining 1 gram of hydrogen 78 times. Or more times if the amount of hydrogen and volume is reduced.

For larger amounts of energy, the amount of times the hydrogen has to be split and recombined could get ridiculous - if you stay at 1 gram. For example: 1MWh would require 1 gram of hydrogen to be split and recombined: 7,874,015.75 times. However if you increase the amount of hydrogen to say 100 grams - it falls to about: 78,740.16 times.


If you want to keep things simple:

More power = bigger reaction chambers (unless you start to pressurise the hydrogen gas).
Bigger reaction chambers = less splitting and recombining of the hydrogen to get the same amount of output.

[Felix_the_cat]

[QUOTE=Savvypro;55759]Chet,

If a nuclear reaction was taking place then the Atomic hydrogen welding systems would all be banned.



Nuclear reactions without harmful radiation happens all the time in nature.
What we do with nuclear reactors is a misuse of nuclear energy.

[little_old_lady]

Basis of my calculations...

Combining 2h to h2 gives off 109,000 cal/gram (this is one of the lowest figures for the atomic hydrogen reaction - see post 43 where I give the other figures I found).

1 gram calorie as stated above = 4.184 J

Therefore the resulting energy that is given off is: 456,056 Joules, 432.08 BTU's or 0.127 kW·h (109,000 x 0.000001163) per gram of hydrogen.

To generate 10kW·h (enough to run the average home with everything on), one would need about 78 grams.

1 gram at STP takes up 22.7 litres, 78 gram would take up 1,770.6 litres. A comparison would be about two IBC containers, each one being about 1m x 1m x 1m holding 1,000L.

Am I right to assume that ~10kWh means that you have to split 1 gram 78 times per hour to generate or 1 gram every 45 seconds.

How long does it take to separate 1g (1.23L) of H2 into 2H?

[Savvypro]

Am I right to assume that ~10kWh means that you have to split 1 gram 78 times per hour to generate or 1 gram every 45 seconds.

How long does it take to separate 1g (1.23L) of H2 into 2H?

The definition of a Kilowatt hour (from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilowatt_hour) is:

The standard unit of energy in the International System of Units (SI) is the joule (J), equal to one watt second.

Inversely, one watt is equal to 1 J/s. One kilowatt hour is 3.6 megajoules, which is the amount of energy converted if work is done at an average rate of one thousand watts for one hour.

Based on the calculation in my previous post it's roughly 78 time (for 1 gram) to get ~10kWh.
The method used to capture the energy release, will determine the time interval between each splitting and recombining of the hydrogen. For example: one way is to dump the energy that is convert as it's being generated, into a buffer which releases the energy as it's required in the amounts required. Or you run the device once a day for example and charge battery banks, which then do the work of supplying the energy throughout the day.

Remember that these are paper calculations, I haven't taken into account efficiencies. E.g. how well you can convert the energy that is released into a usable form. As this all depends on the method and materials involved.

In terms of how long it takes to split the h2 to 2h, that’s down to testing - but I don’t think it would take too long for such a small amount.

[Savvypro]

One thing I forgot to add to my reference post (see post 97 above), was that it would only take 8,034 calories (33,614.26 J or 0.009343542 kWh) to split 1 gram of h2 into 2h - 78 times (78 x 103 calories = 8,034 calories).

103 calories = 0.000119789 kWh

1kWh would allow you to split 1 gram of h2 into 2h: 8,348.01 times

Question to all: does anyone remember how much it takes to cause the 2h to recombine back into h2?

For the next part I'm going to assume it takes the same amount to recombine, as it takes to split the h2 into 2h. If anyone remembers what the figure is or where it's listed - please let me know so I can update this post to the correct amount.

If it takes 103 calories to split and then another 103 calories to recombine - then:

1kWh / 0.000239578 kWh (2 x 0.000119789 kWh (103 calories)) = 4174.005 times

4174 x 0.127kWh = 530.098 kWh

Based on the assumption above, and the figures from post 97: 1kWh would result in 529kWh of cheap (almost free - but not free as you have to first build the device then input 1kWh of power) excess power output.

If we assume a total efficiency of just 50% - then we'd gain about 264.5 kWh from an input of only 1kWh.

These figures also assume that you don't have a feed back loop to provide the arc power, once the system is started. That you are always taking power from a different source e.g. the grid.

If any one has spotted any errors in my figures, assumptions or the basis of my calculations please point them out.

[William R. Lyne]

Does anyone know of any other documented replication attempts of the Atomic hydrogen furnace which was first proposed by William R. Lyne in his books: Pentagon Aliens and then covered in detail in his second book Occult Ether Physics (see page 81) - their available on scribd.com.

Over at JLNlabs you'll find the test of the Moller Atomic Hydrogen Generator which show results of different tests with one of them showing a COP of 21 - for run 83 which had an input power of 4.38w and an out put power of 92.97 over the 1 hour period it was tested.

Over at THE ATOMIC HYDROGEN REACTION Tom Bearden lists a possible explanation for what is causing the excess output of energy

Seams to me that this Atomic hydrogen furnace and maybe a helium version if the figures are correct (Lyne states that Helium would give off 460,000 calories/gram-atom about 4 time as much energy as Hydrogen) could well be a very viable method of getting cheap clean abundant energy.

[William R. Lyne]

The LAHF is the Rossi-Focardi LENR

I’ve been thinking about this atomic hydrogen effect and that the replication by J L Naudin only measured the heat gain and didn’t include in anyway the pressure gain from the diatomic hydrogen changing to monatomic form.
I don’t know how Herman Anderson ran his car but the sparkplug he patented didn’t look that special and his electrolysis cell discarded the O2 and kept the H2. Could his electrolysiser be used just to top up a sealed engine due to leakage of h2. Disconnect the cam belt, valves are not needed. Compress the H2 and disassociate with modified sparkplug. If the engine is at STP and 12:1 compression ratio should see a head pressure of about 350psi. Most cars have a head pressure of about 800psi but because the normal 4 stroke is no longer required the hydrogen engine will be 2 stroking so will get equivalent of 700Psi in 4 strokes plus the gain from the cam shaft rotating losses. Speed control via electrical energy supplied at the sparkplug.

OR,

Beta type sterling engine, again using a pressurised engine and corona discharge sparkplug, but more of the heat energy being used by the design of the regenerator in the sterling engine.

Any thoughts?

THE LYNE ATOMIC HYDROGEN FURNACE IS THE ROSSI-FOCARDI LENR DEVICE

In answer to your wonderings, the Lyne Atomic Hydrogen Furnace is the basis for the Rossi-Focardi LENR device, though the two Italian university professors created an ingenious version of my reaction chamber by packing a stainless steel cylinder completely with the "catalytic metal", nickel. They are not admitting where they got the idea. In 2003, I was made an honorary member of a Rome group of researchers Altra Scienza which can be verified by referring to http://asse.altervista.org/lahg.pdf and Swedish Researchers confirm Rossi and Focardi Energy Catalyzer as a Nuclear Process . I granted the Italian group permission to make copies of my Chapter VI from my1997 book Occult Ether Physics (1998 second ed.). That is apparently how the two university professors in Bologna obtained access to my plans (particularly page 103, "...the reactor surfaces which receive and catalyze the recombining gas atoms.") and page 104, "Activation energy" device (spark plug, catalytic metal, etc.).
I invented the Lyne Atomic Hydrogen Furnace in the embodiment contained in my book. Irving Langmuir discovered the atomic hydrogen reaction and invented the atomic hydrogen blowtorch, but he failed to realize that the process was over-unity because he was a relativist so he calculated (not measured) the input energy as being equal to the output as measured by him. I also invented the idea of the circuitous use of hydrogen over and over so no additional hydrogen is required, and is not "used up" but recycled.
The lack of hydrogen consumption in the Rossi-Focardi LENR and the failure to lose mass even in the long tests providing massive amounts of free energy prove that the process is not "cold fusion" and also disproves Einstein's equation, E=MC squared.
It is my belief that this invention and its energy can only be explained by ether physics, although certain physical processes can be explained by traditional means.
The transmutation of the nickel to copper is a surprise to me but may be explained by k-capture in which an electron is captured by a nickel proton producing a new neutron which would make it copper. I explain the reaction as follows: hydrogen is a light element. All light elements transmute in UV light. Transmutation is a "nuclear" process though it may produce no external harmful radiation. Tesla's theory of radioactivity is that radioactivity is the product of an element or compound with what he called Primary Solar Rays, which in effect can be captured by so-called radioactive elements (and therefore by artificially radioactive elements). So the excess energy is the product of the conversion of the energy of the ubiquitous Primary Solar Ray particles (produced by stars) into IR radiation (heat).
The plans in my 1997 (first ed.) and 1998 (second ed.) are fourteen years old. Since that time I have radically redesigned the furnace in such a way that anything anyone has achieved so far with my information is only scratching the surface.

[ZeroMassInertia]

Mr. Lyne could you elaborate on the alternate H1 supply by hydrolysis using lead amalgam cathode.
Just what is the composition of the amalgam. Thank you for your great books.

[SilverToGold]

Hi Bill, Good to see you posting here!

I love your work and hope to see more of it in the near future.

[quantumuppercut]

I've also been reading Mr. Rossi Q&A from this site:

How can 30% of nickel in Rossi’s reactor be transmuted into copper? « Journal of Nuclear Physics


Interesting...

[William R. Lyne]

Savvypro asked how much energy it takes to recombine H1 atoms to H2?

Does anyone know of any other documented replication attempts of the Atomic hydrogen furnace which was first proposed by William R. Lyne in his books: Pentagon Aliens and then covered in detail in his second book Occult Ether Physics (see page 81) - their available on scribd.com.

Over at JLNlabs you'll find the test of the Moller Atomic Hydrogen Generator which show results of different tests with one of them showing a COP of 21 - for run 83 which had an input power of 4.38w and an out put power of 92.97 over the 1 hour period it was tested.

Over at THE ATOMIC HYDROGEN REACTION Tom Bearden lists a possible explanation for what is causing the excess output of energy

Seams to me that this Atomic hydrogen furnace and maybe a helium version if the figures are correct (Lyne states that Helium would give off 460,000 calories/gram-atom about 4 time as much energy as Hydrogen) could well be a very viable method of getting cheap clean abundant energy.

In answer to Savvy Pros question about how much energy it takes to recombine the H1 atoms to form H2, the answer is that it takes NO energy. Recombination of the atoms happens for example in the atomic hydrogen blowtorch automatically when the disociated atoms come into contact with the weld surface. Obviously the presence of electrons (in metals) brings about the reaction releasing the tremendous heat.