Free energy generation wiki

[Nick]

Hi all

I started reading through this forum a couple of months ago and I have to say... WOW! The information on this site is great! Thanks to everyone who's contributed!

I now use up all my spare time to browse through the huge amount of information available here. And because of the selfless nature you all ascribed to, I feel i should contribute in anyway I can. So I've decided to put forward an idea that takes advantage of my experience and which I hope will Interest everyone. But let me first try and explain why I think the idea is necessary.

I'm enjoying my discovery of free energy. When the proof hit home, I felt a sense of self satisfaction that only comes from having insight. However, its unfortunate that most of us outside academic communities no longer have the time for this type of discovery. Everyone is now subjected to huge volumes of worthless commercial information, we've become blind to the process of discovery. Everywhere we look We can see someone who's found the answer for us. As companies get better at exploiting our expectations, it seems most of us now don't know how to look. And this is where I think the free energy community could do better. All truly useful information comes from looking hard, there's no escaping that! But we can at least make things a little easier for people to see the community for what it is. If all the information within the free energy community was gathered up and made accessible to everyone, then you'd only have to look hard in one place. This forum goes some way to doing exactly that. A good example would be the "Electric Motor Secrets" thread which holds all the information needed to experiment with Dr Peter Lindemann's "Rotary Attraction Motor". And if the facts could be collated and explanations given in a structured formatat, I'm sure there would be more people experimenting on it.

So the idea is to start an open source book (wiki) which aims to collate and compact all of the useful, usable information we know. To shape it into what could be the future foundational block of free energy discovery. I find the prospect of having such powerful information in such a compact, easy to read format very exciting! It is a chance to present free energy principles in a format much more acceptable to the average person. By subscribing to the ideology of bite sized information, we can speed up the process of discovery and get far more people involved. And if the book were to focus on fact rather then loose conjecture, the ideas may well become more acceptable to the mainstream.

Thats got to be a good thing right??

Nick

[navigator]

I think its a great idea...for someone with extremely thick skin!

[Inquorate]

A great idea

Especially with the understanding of the aether that this forum has come to, but that does not exist in a compiled form.

Aye

[Nick]

Hehe, I guess so... Anyone know a Wiki literate elephant?

Maybe I got carried away writing this thread. Its just I can remember what all this looks like from the outside. Type in free energy on the internet and you get bombarded with UFO's and unfounded claims. Doesn't exactly scream credibility even if it is all true.

If you look on any successful open sorce software project you'll find extensive documentation and a helpful community to contribute to it. We've got the community, now it just needs some official documentation.

Usually, it takes someone to get started before anyone shows much interest. So I just wanted to see what you all think. If there are enough thumbs up i'll get started!

Anyone else?

[marseye]

Hi Nick and everyone,

Synchronism ? That's funny that I had the same idea of a wiki some days ago, to expose, condense the tracks followed in the renewable energy subjects here. But, in my case, that's only a wish which I couldn't help, since my english is painful to read...

I find that, despite there are great ideas and systems around, it's hard to follow an idea when there are so many posts, not all essential at all, in a successful thread.

Definitly a good idea, to gather useful infos only. But let's wait for Aaron's and his mates' reaction first, since there is a copyright for everything laid along the lines here, and that we accepted when signing for the forum's rules.

[Cloxxki]

If you write it, I'll read it! And where possible, contribute.

Free Energy is a jungle. Internet is jumping the shark, as it is with many information-related topics.

If you manage to condense the useful things out there into low-threshold explnations, that would certainly promote the joys of FE to the youth, and lesser educated (as yours truly) thinkers.

Perhaps it's just me, but where perfection has not been found, I always want to know, as we say in Dutch, "where the shoe is strangling". To understand the problem other have been having, can help those fresh to the matter to focus their ingenuity on the "trick" others have been missing. Being too educated in a field can put the "trick" right in our blind spot.

I'm looking forward to whichever you'll be coming up with, the contribution to this community would surely be greatly appreciated, and used for the better of it.

Regards,
J

[Aaron]

compilation

Hi Marseye,

I think it is pretty cool that you respect the copyrighted nature of this forum's content. I think a lot of people are unaware that anything on any website is pretty much automatically copyrighted these days even if it doesn't say it is.

However, we've always been excited to have this forum contribute to the global knowledge base of free energy as well as other topics.

Share this stuff as much as you can! Simply giving credit where info is coming from is always appreciated.

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Nick, welcome to the forum!

You have a great idea but I think Ash (Ashtweth) has done possibly accomplished what you have in mind.

He has done an incredible job at compiling a lot of the stuff going on here and elsewhere. His compilations are mostly a super long detailed file of just about any particular technology, inventor, etc... and he shows where all the info came from...talking about this and other forums, etc...

There is also Sterling's Peswiki page and that has quite a compilation as well.

Anyway, just throwing a few of these things out there in case it is along the lines of what you're thinking.

[marseye]

Aaron,

I definitly agree that any idea discovered in this forum should give credit to it.

It may be interesting to give here the links to Ashtweth's as well as the others' compilation job if it's already published, so that this thread is a good reminder.

I realize that I had read Ash's announcement some time ago, but I had quite forgot about it. And I haven't any link at hand. Ash's community is Panacea, right ? They're Ozies ? Quite worldwide spreading !

[nilrehob]

Great Idea! It would complement the other resources in a great way!

[Peter Lindemann]

Not a Good Idea

Hi all

I started reading through this forum a couple of months ago and I have to say... WOW! The information on this site is great! Thanks to everyone who's contributed!

I now use up all my spare time to browse through the huge amount of information available here. And because of the selfless nature you all ascribed to, I feel i should contribute in anyway I can. So I've decided to put forward an idea that takes advantage of my experience and which I hope will Interest everyone. But let me first try and explain why I think the idea is necessary.

I'm enjoying my discovery of free energy. When the proof hit home, I felt a sense of self satisfaction that only comes from having insight. However, its unfortunate that most of us outside academic communities no longer have the time for this type of discovery. Everyone is now subjected to huge volumes of worthless commercial information, we've become blind to the process of discovery. Everywhere we look We can see someone who's found the answer for us. As companies get better at exploiting our expectations, it seems most of us now don't know how to look. And this is where I think the free energy community could do better. All truly useful information comes from looking hard, there's no escaping that! But we can at least make things a little easier for people to see the community for what it is. If all the information within the free energy community was gathered up and made accessible to everyone, then you'd only have to look hard in one place. This forum goes some way to doing exactly that. A good example would be the "Electric Motor Secrets" thread which holds all the information needed to experiment with Dr Peter Lindemann's "Rotary Attraction Motor". And if the facts could be collated and explanations given in a structured formatat, I'm sure there would be more people experimenting on it.

So the idea is to start an open source book (wiki) which aims to collate and compact all of the useful, usable information we know. To shape it into what could be the future foundational block of free energy discovery. I find the prospect of having such powerful information in such a compact, easy to read format very exciting! It is a chance to present free energy principles in a format much more acceptable to the average person. By subscribing to the ideology of bite sized information, we can speed up the process of discovery and get far more people involved. And if the book were to focus on fact rather then loose conjecture, the ideas may well become more acceptable to the mainstream.

Thats got to be a good thing right??

Nick

Nick,

I know you mean well, and you want to make learning this stuff easier and more accessible for beginners, but I believe that all attempts to do that will not work. A publicly editable WIKI has never worked. Even the original, WIKIPEDIA, now has monitors to make sure citations are not edited for political or personal reasons. If we take my Electric Motor Secrets thread as an example; the thread shows a method to produce an electric motor that has "no back EMF" and an operational COP>2. The science is excellent and the experimental method is disclosed for anyone to experiment with.

But there are millions of people in this world who believe that this result is impossible because they misinterpret the First Law of Thermodynamics and its "energy conservation" theorum. Currently, the Electric Motor Secrets thread is uneditable, and stands as a public record of experiments that have worked and failed, as people learned the process of building a motor based on these new principles.

Any attempt to cherry pick the "finished results" of the thread really only disconnects the new student from the PROCESS of learning, and simply hands them something to "believe and memorize" without understanding. This is what is wrong with the education system in the world today. Citing the information from these threads, even as a well written synopsis, does nothing to promote LEARNING. It also hands it over to the "intellectuals" who have never run an experiment in their lives who think we should all be "saved" from our heretical ideas. From my point of view, these threads are the ONLY SAFE PLACE we have been able to create where these "thought police" can't "correct" our discoveries!

In all of these threads, I have been interested in helping people learn HOW to think, and to learn how to TRUST there own thought process. This takes time, but is vastly more important than learning WHAT to think. If you never learn HOW to think, then you will be left, for the rest of your life, simply believing what you are told, or not; you will be forever crippled in the effort of "figuring it out for yourself".

Therefore, I do not think your WIKI idea is a good idea, at all, because I believe that the "slow way" to learn this stuff actually IS the "fast way".

That said, I appreciate your interest in making the information in these threads more accessible, and more easily accessed by more people. I definitely share these goals with you. We just differ in our ideas about how best to bring this about.

Peter

[Cloxxki]

Goods points by Peter.
But complications, certainly for this community, should not stand in the way of improvement.
What if this forum would qualify posters, based on their on-topic content and insight of (historical) developments in the field, to become moderators able to moderate content? Non-mods could be promoted to contribute, but their postings might be edited. See it as co-writing history books, as history unfolds. You want impartial authors for that, or at least ones that can present a topic neutrally.

[Electrotek]

Nick, welcome to the forum!

You have a great idea but I think Ash (Ashtweth) has done possibly accomplished what you have in mind.

He has done an incredible job at compiling a lot of the stuff going on here and elsewhere. His compilations are mostly a super long detailed file of just about any particular technology, inventor, etc... and he shows where all the info came from...talking about this and other forums, etc...

There is also Sterling's Peswiki page and that has quite a compilation as well.

Anyway, just throwing a few of these things out there in case it is along the lines of what you're thinking.

And the New Energy Congress is also a great resource.

[Nick]

Hi Peter,

I have seen a lot of your superb work on my comparatively short travels. I have also read through your electric motor secrets thread many times. Its because of this I can say with confidence that we do not differ much in our opinion. I have after all learnt most energy principles from you.

Perhaps I have given the wrong impression with my opening post. I do not disagree that learning how to think is imperative. If there were more people with your level of patients this world would not be in the state it is. I ended up at this forum because I MADE the time to be interested. As a result I've been rewarded with a wealth of information. The kind of information which can't be substituted in a wiki. For instance, I wouldn't get almost real-time feedback in a wiki. I am not suggesting a fast track, spoon fed way for people to make these machines, just a solid start which then points to yours and other established works for experiment.

As I stressed in my first post, most people don't need to discover the truth any more, what they believe to be a solution will be provided without them having to lift a finger... except to pay. Its impossible to force education on those comfortably conditioned people, but you can spark interest enough to then educated. That's where I think a Wiki might best serve its purpose. To reach people by filtering out what most consider fantasy. To make them mistake the information for established science. In short, We need to do what you have done so well in your EMS DVD. Give simple explanations in an easy to except context, with real world examples. It can only add credibility whilst pointing even more people towards your method of teaching.



Hi Aron, marseye

Thankyou for pointing out these great resources. Ash has done a fine job of collating information found here: Panacea University. It does however differ in aim. If the idea were to gain momentum, It might be best to keep out any subjective criticism of anything.

Hi Cloxxki,

Perhaps it's just me, but where perfection has not been found, I always want to know, as we say in Dutch, "where the shoe is strangling". To understand the problem other have been having, can help those fresh to the matter to focus their ingenuity on the "trick" others have been missing. Being too educated in a field can put the "trick" right in our blind spot.

I like that! learning how to think is important and so is NOT reinventing the wheel.


Sorry for the lack of speed in posting back, my small business is demanding a lot of attention.

Nick

[ashtweth]

Great themes discussed guys,should go on some writing some where and not die in this thread, i think the quality of information in our genre is important, and i think a way to bridge the gap with the mainstream faculties is also in order to get others in more "respected" circles to HELP, yes HELP not just accept. If you could police it like Peter says then fair enough.

A wiki for built working and tested FE maybe? hmm Back up and wider resources to reach more people IS important but you have to have the QUALITY there. Thats why we build on the Panacea uni.

I think a CENTRALIZED one that's policed with engineers around the world who build and report is a good idea also, hang on that's the panacea university . We ALL need to contribute in one place to keep it effective and efficient, the THEME of Wiki that way is the great strength, and is why the Panacea uni is a collective effort.

My 2 cents would be built and working Wiki as opposed to RESEARCH.....

[Nick]

Great themes discussed guys,should go on some writing some where and not die in this thread, i think the quality of information in our genre is important, and i think a way to bridge the gap with the mainstream faculties is also in order to get others in more "respected" circles to HELP, yes HELP not just accept. If you could police it like Peter says then fair enough.

A wiki for built working and tested FE maybe? hmm Back up and wider resources to reach more people IS important but you have to have the QUALITY there. Thats why we build on the Panacea uni.

I think a CENTRALIZED one that's policed with engineers around the world who build and report is a good idea also, hang on that's the panacea university . We ALL need to contribute in one place to keep it effective and efficient, the THEME of Wiki that way is the great strength, and is why the Panacea uni is a collective effort.

My 2 cents would be built and working Wiki as opposed to RESEARCH.....

Hello Ashtweth,

I haven't had a chance to look more closely at Panacea uni yet. As you say, there's no point in duplicating efforts. Perhaps this thread could serve as a reminder for your site as marseye suggested!

Yup, a "Built and working" wiki would be another good resource. Hehe, anyone got a link for this one?

cheers!