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Browsing this forum and the wealth of linked websites, I just stumbled across:
Free Energy | Messias Machine
Decades old, seemingly simple to replicate and measure, but little useful links online other than presentations of the concept and dreams implementing the idea, supposing it would work.
So, is this or is this not an efficient water pump? kWh in vs. water volume pumped up a height. Is water lifted with less force (from the powered rotation) than when lifting the bucket the equivalent with a rope?
Are any of you aware of recent replications or developments?
I read that the attached flywheel is considered to be of importance and a possible way to make the machine self-running.
Naturally, ways to gain energy from downward water flow by turbines, and ultimately closing the loop, were sought, but as far as I know never realized in full.
An alternative setup came to me. What if we first have that central bucket/funnel, sucking up water. Water at one point (rpm) start spilling over. Yet, it is directed down a conal slope, or inverted funnel if you will, at an angle which is preferable for returning energy to the central (and out of the same part) central funnel. I suppose, water being trown out backwards. Multiple such stages could be part of the same "radially wrinkled" plate. Perhaps later stages could themselves draw in water should the original flow proove to thin out too much to be usefully flowing anymore.
But without that complication, I wonder whether the CF from water remaing on the same funnel/flywheel unity, being recycled, would only add heft and drag, or could actually add to the function of the Messias Machine.
Other ideas that come to mind would aim to gain maximum height and flow from a single funnel tower. How far can this be taken, and does it get more efficient with scale?
I wonder what 21st century minds have done or may still do with this basic concept, especially for the improvement of life and projects like irrigating the Sahara. Looking forward to your input.
Thanks,
J
Free Energy | Messias Machine
Decades old, seemingly simple to replicate and measure, but little useful links online other than presentations of the concept and dreams implementing the idea, supposing it would work.
So, is this or is this not an efficient water pump? kWh in vs. water volume pumped up a height. Is water lifted with less force (from the powered rotation) than when lifting the bucket the equivalent with a rope?
Are any of you aware of recent replications or developments?
I read that the attached flywheel is considered to be of importance and a possible way to make the machine self-running.
Naturally, ways to gain energy from downward water flow by turbines, and ultimately closing the loop, were sought, but as far as I know never realized in full.
An alternative setup came to me. What if we first have that central bucket/funnel, sucking up water. Water at one point (rpm) start spilling over. Yet, it is directed down a conal slope, or inverted funnel if you will, at an angle which is preferable for returning energy to the central (and out of the same part) central funnel. I suppose, water being trown out backwards. Multiple such stages could be part of the same "radially wrinkled" plate. Perhaps later stages could themselves draw in water should the original flow proove to thin out too much to be usefully flowing anymore.
But without that complication, I wonder whether the CF from water remaing on the same funnel/flywheel unity, being recycled, would only add heft and drag, or could actually add to the function of the Messias Machine.
Other ideas that come to mind would aim to gain maximum height and flow from a single funnel tower. How far can this be taken, and does it get more efficient with scale?
I wonder what 21st century minds have done or may still do with this basic concept, especially for the improvement of life and projects like irrigating the Sahara. Looking forward to your input.
Thanks,
J