New Hydroelectric Generator from Gravity Force

[Diego Del Marco]

Hello,

I invite you to see this my knol that describe a simple machine that produces electric power
from gravity force taking advantage of the properties of the liquids:

Renewable Energy - Electric Energy from Gravity Force - a knol by Diego Del Marco


Sorry for my English...

Diego

[Ted Ewert]

Hi Diego,
Welcome to the forum. I took a look at your animation and I have a few comments.
You designed an interesting machine, but I think it has a fundamental flaw. On its own, water will not rise above its own level. In other words, the force of the water entering each container will not make the smaller column of water rise above the highest level of that water. The floats aren't going to overcome this either. I would suggest doing a few experiments to confirm this.
There is nothing like building your ideas to learn and improve on your concepts.

Cheers,

Ted

[haethae]

I've been trying to build something like this for the past couple weeks except rather than using water pressure to spin the turbine, I use the falling water. You can make the water go higher by making the small tube skinnier and longer, but I don't think you can adjust the water pressure like that, but I'm not sure. I was also using weights to make it easier. Lifting and dropping a gallon of water a couple inches could get that same amount up a few feet.

@ted
That's true if the water is in by itself, but say you've got 2 tube, 1 5 times bigger than the other. The big tube would have 5 times the water since theyir equal heights. however, if you plit up the water and put a piston or something between the 2 bodies of water, the full weight of half the water will act on the other half, making the volume the same in both tubes.

EDIT:
attached a diagram
This is the starting position. Both valves are closed. Valve 1 is opened and the weights push down on the water, forcing it to come out the top and spin the turbine to fall onto the piston adding more weight. Once the platform hits the bottom, valve 1 is closed and valve 2 is opened. valve 2 opens a hole in the platform for the water on top to drain down. the weights can either be lifted or if it's less dense than the water, it'll act like a boat and float to the top. once all the water has returned to the bottom, valve 2 is closed and it's at starting position again.

Using 2 tanks is a great idea to keep it moving constantly. And using water rather than weights makes it less complicated, as well.

I think making valve 1 a one way valve would make things easier so there's no need to switch it. I've been trying to think of a way to fully automate the process using the forces at work, but all I can think of is having to manually switch it. I thought about suing a one way valve for valve 2, but I don't think there's any point where there would be enough force to drive it up.

[Diego Del Marco]

Hi Diego,
Welcome to the forum. I took a look at your animation and I have a few comments.
You designed an interesting machine, but I think it has a fundamental flaw. On its own, water will not rise above its own level. In other words, the force of the water entering each container will not make the smaller column of water rise above the highest level of that water. The floats aren't going to overcome this either. I would suggest doing a few experiments to confirm this.
There is nothing like building your ideas to learn and improve on your concepts.

Cheers,

Ted

Hi ted,
Thanks for your interest, I think that you speak about the principle of go myself communicating, but I exit from many Italian's energetic forum after not having exhausting answers and contrasting on:
1) it is gone communicating
2) hydrostatic paradox
3) perpetual motion
4) gravitational conservative field

I do not have money and space in order to construct a prototype enough

Diego

[Diego Del Marco]

I've been trying to build something like this for the past couple weeks except rather than using water pressure to spin the turbine, I use the falling water. You can make the water go higher by making the small tube skinnier and longer, but I don't think you can adjust the water pressure like that, but I'm not sure. I was also using weights to make it easier. Lifting and dropping a gallon of water a couple inches could get that same amount up a few feet.

@ted
That's true if the water is in by itself, but say you've got 2 tube, 1 5 times bigger than the other. The big tube would have 5 times the water since theyir equal heights. however, if you plit up the water and put a piston or something between the 2 bodies of water, the full weight of half the water will act on the other half, making the volume the same in both tubes.

EDIT:
attached a diagram
This is the starting position. Both valves are closed. Valve 1 is opened and the weights push down on the water, forcing it to come out the top and spin the turbine to fall onto the piston adding more weight. Once the platform hits the bottom, valve 1 is closed and valve 2 is opened. valve 2 opens a hole in the platform for the water on top to drain down. the weights can either be lifted or if it's less dense than the water, it'll act like a boat and float to the top. once all the water has returned to the bottom, valve 2 is closed and it's at starting position again.

Using 2 tanks is a great idea to keep it moving constantly. And using water rather than weights makes it less complicated, as well.

I think making valve 1 a one way valve would make things easier so there's no need to switch it. I've been trying to think of a way to fully automate the process using the forces at work, but all I can think of is having to manually switch it. I thought about suing a one way valve for valve 2, but I don't think there's any point where there would be enough force to drive it up.

Hi haethae,
your prejet is a lot interesting, gives the time to me in order translate well what you have written.
Have you other designs of your machine?
Have you some animated GIF?

Diego

[Diego Del Marco]

[QUOTE=haethae;56456]

Now I have translate well, your plan is practically equal to mine but simpler to realize. Regarding the turbine, in my design it is low while in the animation it is up, this because at the moment the plan expresses only an idea that can be optimized in according to time.
But now like tasks to proceed?
You will make a prototype?

Hello Diego