Veljko Milkovic' - 2 Stage Oscillator

[bugler]

Hi all,

we have discussed several times the 2 stage oscillator.

What I don't understand is that if the energy coming out is about 12 times the input in why there isn't already anybody who is using this machine to obtain electricity.

It doesn't look too difficult to transform the mechanical energy into electricity.
Why is it not being done?

[theremart]

12X out...

I am questioning the 12X out myself....

The energy that comes out is in the form of mechanical advantage.

The best video I have seen so far is the one where the inventor of this device takes a mechanical flashlight and is able to light several other flash lights from the force it takes to light one flash light.

Many are trying many methods to store the energy coming out of this device. One of the best I I have seen so far has been Daftman's drawing on the teep forum.

The idea I had was to store the output energy as either air or oil pressure, so one could then easily move this to the start of the machine to continue to build up excess pressure... The device makes a great pump it would seem you could give the push needed at the other side with a storage of air or oil pressure. That was my way to do it.... But to get it to work you have to work out all the problems of harvesting the energy coming out.

What I think would be a good idea would be to build a pump with this device, and compare it to a standard pump. Then compare how much energy is used to pump the same amount of water.

[bugler]

I think it would be quite easy to transform the mechanical energy into electricity. Doing that it's old technology. Of course it would be possible also to store as compressed air.

I can't understand why is not being done?

I am beginning to have doubts aobut the free-energy thing.

For instance, we are being told that some centuries ago a guy had a gravitational wheel that produced electricity. Somehow nobody manages to make it work now.

The same can be said about so many things (Tesla switch, Gray, Mayers, etc).
Don't get me wrong. I am studying to become a mechanical engineer because of Tesla, Moray, etc and the amazing work of Peter Lindemann spreading the information. But I can't understand why nothing can be reproduced nowadays.

What do you think of all this?

[theremart]

What do I think...

You must define terms with free energy. Often others use terms that sound like free energy, but are only smoke screen to get you to send them $, or to get them a platform to stand on.

There does not seem to be free energy anywhere. There may be cheap energy, but as it is said, in order to have water, you still need to put in the plumbing to get it to where it needs to be. You still need to heat it and filter it. The water may be free but getting to the point you can use it may cost you more than what you put in. If you look at solar cells most do not pay for themselves till several years down the road ( for an example ) as compared to the cheap grid electricity.

As to the Veljko Milkovic' - 2 Stage Oscillator device, it seems to me that it should work, yet what is lacking is a self running system that to me would prove that. I do wonder if it there really is a 12X gain out. The distance that the heavy weight is lifted is very small, but the distance of the lighter weight on the other side travels is very great. I do wonder if it is only mechanical advantage. .... nothing more than a lever.

Mechanical advantage is very useful, it can help pump water it can do useful work. But I am wondering as I look at the device, is can it sustain itself? Then the next question is, can it store excess if it can sustain itself. It seems child's play to have one of these devices running 24 hours a day storing up energy in terms of compressed air. But, this is yet to be proven. The best I was thinking of myself was a solar powered pump. I was thinking running this device with a Bedini type circuit (magnet on the pendulum ), one could charge a battery and also pump water. But I am under the impression it still would be just as simple to put the solar cell to a pump directly. I tried charging capacitors up to give a jolt to the magnet when it passed by, but that was not successful.

This is a hobby of mine, I believe I could be much further down the road if I had a machine shop, and more electronic skills. But it does not stop me from dreaming of how to use junk in better ways.


I am glad that Veljko Milkovic' has shared his inventions, it does make me have hope that one can do it. The power of so many sharing their ideas is awesome.

[ABCStore]

Piezoelectric effect can be used to generate some electricity.

ABC

[Vortex]

The 2 Stage Oscillator, as most replicate it, is a delicate balancing act between the heavy hammer side and the pendulum. As you theremart has stated, the heavy side moves very little distance.

That heavy side distance can be extended to many feet and the extreme delicate balance between the heavy and lighter pendulum side is much more forgiving. It does not have to be perfect.

How this greater distance is obtained is to allow the horizontal structure, between the heavy hammer side and the pendulum side, to move freely up and down in about a 150 or more degree range on both sides. Yes, chaos occurs.

A device configured as described above stays in motion much much longer than the original 2 Stage Oscillator. It moves feet instead of inches as well. Yes it is a chaos movement, but it does have an oscillation.

How does one extract energy from the heavy side ?
Rope and pulleys? Pulley/rope transfers the up/down movement of the heavy side, no matter how much chaos there is, into hydraulic pressue.

Veljko Milkovic shows us in a video, of which I can't find now, that pulleys rob energy from a device regardless of how free spinning they are before being loaded (put into use)

Therefore, in later development, shafts off the heavy side (top and/or bottom), a more delicate balance, a smaller top/down degree of movement of horizontal structure could allow not using pulleys?????????

I've built a simulation of this device only, without any pulleys.

Just
Randy

[ABCStore]

How does one extract energy from the heavy side ?
Rope and pulleys?

No, piezo.

ABC

[CosmicFarmer]

ABCstore your BRILLIANT ..

How about having a STACK of piezoelectric elements, that keep the hammer motionless, and the pressure on the piezo's are harvested as energy? since there is no dis-harmonic movement of the armature, your just taking oscillations and translating them. Just one piezo might break because that is a lot of force...

If you had a stack of 20 piezoelectric discs, that would be alot of power...
Side note, what about piezoelectric shoes? Something for kids..... Anyway.

Also, you could just apply a ratchet system with a small cog touching the hammer and a large cog connecting a generator? And apply the pulse idea to push the pendulum, but instead of trying to charge a battery with the flyback, push the flyback into a secondary coil to assist in the coil-push?

[Chip Shorter]

Its very hard to extract energy from it. Whatever you do on the back end kills the front end. Looked promising. The minute you try to load it the pendulum falters. I used a Bedini style oscillator on the pendulum part.

[CosmicFarmer]

The pendulum falters because of the disharmonic movement of the larger arm, however when the larger arm is held motionless, the pendulum still transmits force back and forth, but keeps swinging.

In his video, the inventor has a much more balanced device then I have seen other replicators make, and I could imagine that a well balanced device would have less of that problem, chipsorter....

So thats why I recommend a piezoelectric stack to keep the hammer arm from moving around alot. The force still transmits but the disharmonic movements of the arm are neutralized or minimized.

Imagine a stack of 20 to 30 piezos... That would be alot of power!!!

Just use some sort of rubber glue to separate the elements and distribute the force so you dont snap the crystal, and keep the movement arm where it only has less then a percentage of 1 degree of movement... Or keep it still... The pendulum will keep wobbling without the problem of slowing down.