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Some clues about the efficiency
I copied this text out of the daily updates I get from the yahoo group, I hope Rick doesn't mind.
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This is not as simple a question as most think. I have a battery right now at 19V that is supper sulfated, 20 years out of service, which nothing was able to touch till now...
I have seen 12V batteries climb higher than 40V with some of our prototypes. When batteries are really sulfated they will easily climb high before they come down with these kind of technology. So the question is always, what is the state of the battery? If it is brand new, I mean right off the truck from the factory, then it will not climb really high, and the desired voltage will depend on how fast/hard your are pushing it. Same with the other direction in loading it. You can push a dead battery up high under charge, but that does not mean it is necessarily resting at a high voltage. You let it rest for a minute and see where it comes down to.
If you are charging slowly a new or newer battery then your charging voltage will be close to the resting voltage, and is a good indicator. But if the battery is sulfated you will not know.
The sealed batteries are more critical than the open flooded types in this. If the sealed batteries get too high they will off-gas and you will loose time on them. However, it may be a little trade-off to off-gas them a little to get them rejuvenated if they need it.
It is not easy to explain all the details of how batteries work. What I explain on this list is that rejuvenating a battery is not efficient and should not be confused with what you want to do regularly with a good battery. A good battery can be taken from 50 to 70% capacity on the low side, to 90% on the high side with these charging systems to get maximum efficiency out of them. If you attempt to charge them the last 10% all the time you will loose out. This is why many people have never seen any OU for many years. Don't get me wrong, if you use conventional charging systems then you must fully charge them or they will sulfate, and each cycle looses time. And people always want a fully charged battery. But to get into an ideal efficency system, you can get away with using our technology and not have to fully charge your battery most of the time, or possibly ever. I have done this for a long time to know this. Again, I have many discarded batteries that are better than new now. We are changing all the rules here. This is a new day.
Rick
> I would be concerned also. do not charge above 14.5 to 14.8 the SG charge will NOT STOP INCREASING! this is not a smart circuit, it does one thing pumps radiant!!
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> Â I would see if the units perform better on seperate batteries, I have not had an experience of running 2 sg's off of one battery.
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> Tom C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Falvey" <bifalvey@...>
> To: "bediniWheel" <bedini_monopole3@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:23:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [Bedini_Monopole3] Overcharge !! ?
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> Hello. I am concerned for my battery which I am trying to condition.
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> Â Â This is the 3rd cycle and its really taking off. the first 2 cycles it wouldnt charge past 13.5 or so volts, but this cycle its going all the way to the ceiling it seems! Right now its charging at 15.8 volts and increasing .01 or .02 every half hour. I know wheel charging is safer then other charging methods, but for a 12v 4.5 Ah battery on a wheel, whats a good ceiling? just wait until the charge starts dropping to do load tests? I wish I could see inside the thing... Â
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> Whats strange is on my other wheel is another identical battery and its not going over 13.5, and that one is on its 3rd cycle too. Maybe it just needs time, but it is charging slower.
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> also a side question. Right now I have 2 wheels charging 2 diffrent batteries, but sharing the same source battery. Some gigantic 100 Ah battery that lasts and lasts... Â So its 2 circuits conjoined at the source. Anyone know any reason why I shouldn't do this? some radiant phase fighting or something... its working well for me atleast.
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> Thanks!
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Look at that group if you need more information, people are replicating and giving their reports every day.
Julian
I copied this text out of the daily updates I get from the yahoo group, I hope Rick doesn't mind.
::::
This is not as simple a question as most think. I have a battery right now at 19V that is supper sulfated, 20 years out of service, which nothing was able to touch till now...
I have seen 12V batteries climb higher than 40V with some of our prototypes. When batteries are really sulfated they will easily climb high before they come down with these kind of technology. So the question is always, what is the state of the battery? If it is brand new, I mean right off the truck from the factory, then it will not climb really high, and the desired voltage will depend on how fast/hard your are pushing it. Same with the other direction in loading it. You can push a dead battery up high under charge, but that does not mean it is necessarily resting at a high voltage. You let it rest for a minute and see where it comes down to.
If you are charging slowly a new or newer battery then your charging voltage will be close to the resting voltage, and is a good indicator. But if the battery is sulfated you will not know.
The sealed batteries are more critical than the open flooded types in this. If the sealed batteries get too high they will off-gas and you will loose time on them. However, it may be a little trade-off to off-gas them a little to get them rejuvenated if they need it.
It is not easy to explain all the details of how batteries work. What I explain on this list is that rejuvenating a battery is not efficient and should not be confused with what you want to do regularly with a good battery. A good battery can be taken from 50 to 70% capacity on the low side, to 90% on the high side with these charging systems to get maximum efficiency out of them. If you attempt to charge them the last 10% all the time you will loose out. This is why many people have never seen any OU for many years. Don't get me wrong, if you use conventional charging systems then you must fully charge them or they will sulfate, and each cycle looses time. And people always want a fully charged battery. But to get into an ideal efficency system, you can get away with using our technology and not have to fully charge your battery most of the time, or possibly ever. I have done this for a long time to know this. Again, I have many discarded batteries that are better than new now. We are changing all the rules here. This is a new day.
Rick
> I would be concerned also. do not charge above 14.5 to 14.8 the SG charge will NOT STOP INCREASING! this is not a smart circuit, it does one thing pumps radiant!!
>
>
>
> Â I would see if the units perform better on seperate batteries, I have not had an experience of running 2 sg's off of one battery.
>
>
>
> Tom C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Falvey" <bifalvey@...>
> To: "bediniWheel" <bedini_monopole3@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:23:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [Bedini_Monopole3] Overcharge !! ?
>
>
> Hello. I am concerned for my battery which I am trying to condition.
>
> Â Â This is the 3rd cycle and its really taking off. the first 2 cycles it wouldnt charge past 13.5 or so volts, but this cycle its going all the way to the ceiling it seems! Right now its charging at 15.8 volts and increasing .01 or .02 every half hour. I know wheel charging is safer then other charging methods, but for a 12v 4.5 Ah battery on a wheel, whats a good ceiling? just wait until the charge starts dropping to do load tests? I wish I could see inside the thing... Â
>
> Whats strange is on my other wheel is another identical battery and its not going over 13.5, and that one is on its 3rd cycle too. Maybe it just needs time, but it is charging slower.
>
>
> also a side question. Right now I have 2 wheels charging 2 diffrent batteries, but sharing the same source battery. Some gigantic 100 Ah battery that lasts and lasts... Â So its 2 circuits conjoined at the source. Anyone know any reason why I shouldn't do this? some radiant phase fighting or something... its working well for me atleast.
>
>
> Thanks!
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Look at that group if you need more information, people are replicating and giving their reports every day.
Julian
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