Effects of Recirculating BEMF to Coil

[Jetijs]

Hi Luc.
Thanks for the schematic you sent me. I could not get to energeticforum for couple of days for some reason. Anyway, today I replicated this effect using light bulbs. The coil had about 200 turns of AWG21 wire, air core. The timer was set to about 7% duty cycle and frequency of about 1.6kHz. The bulb on the negative terminal did not even light up, was just barely red glowing, but the bulb on the recirculating side was at about 40% brightness. I measured current flowing through both bulbs, on the negative side bulb it was about 130mA but on the recirculating side it was 620mA. That is about 4 times more. This was done with pulsing about 60 VDC through the coil using an array of batteries in series. Will try out more coil setups and voltages tomorrow. Great stuff!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

when the mosfet is off it is on

Hi Luc and all, I have just seen the latest TK videos and he is saying that when the mosfet is off the load is drawing from the battery, I am a little lost on this one, can anybody help

Mike

[poynt99]

Hi Luc and all, I have just seen the latest TK videos and he is saying that when the mosfet is off the load is drawing from the battery, I am a little lost on this one, can anybody help

Mike

I think TK is saying the opposite. Don't confuse voltage with "ON", and no voltage with "OFF".

A LOW voltage on the MOSFET Drain means the MOSFET is ON, not OFF!

Please keep in mind folks that these voltages are referenced to ground. So when the Drain voltage measures 0V, that is because you can not measure voltage across a short circuit, can you? If the MOSFET is a short circuit (Drain and Source are connected together), then we consider it to be "ON" correct?

.99

[sebosfato]

Hi guys i would like to show you what i came up with working on recirculating current. this circuit create a very high voltage and recirculating current. 2 series Resonant coils are thick and uses 2 high amps diodes and 3 capacitors in my case water capacitors. 1 of the capacitors just balance the circuit.

I was doing some simulations on multisim but computer is broken now.

Is like a dual quasi resonant joined together. My intention was to break down water molecule so i made it to recirculate high amps dc.

this technology was from stanley meyer and he didn't showed his connections very well so here it is.

when the first capacitor is charged the diode allow the current to flow in one direction so it discharge sending the current to the other capacitor creating a 360° quadrature resonance.

the red and blue line show the current flow 180° each

hope it help you understand recirculating current

[gotoluc]

Hi All,

I have just uploaded a new video for your evaluation and opinions.

Please post your comments.

Link to Video: YouTube - Effect of Recirculating BEMF to Coil test 9

Luc

[Inquorate]

Inductive loads

I'm sold regarding an energy gain.. I am however wondering if you could show, for entertainment purposes an inductive load. Like a fan perhaps.

[rave154]

GOTLUC,

i have successfully recreated your test, not fully yet as im a bit tired from work, but i have got the "input bulb" barely glowing with the output bulb about 30% brightness, it is all VERY dependent on frequency AND duty cycle, i havent put my scope on it yet to get the same freq & duty as you had ( will do once ive had a nap)...but certainly looks very promising.......in a purely "entertaining" kind of a way.

Ahimsa & Namaste,

David. D

[Hoppy]

Hi All,

I have just uploaded a new video for your evaluation and opinions.

Please post your comments.

Link to Video: YouTube - Effect of Recirculating BEMF to Coil test 9

Luc

Hi Luc

Don't forget that you only have a very short duty cycle ('on' period) with the bulb connected into the pulsed circuit. Could it be that the overal power consumption of the circuit changes, causing the battery drain to be slower when the supply is pulsed? Try increasing the duty cycle (lengthen the 'on' pulse) progressively whilst observing the drain rate of the battery and bulb brightness to answer this question.

Hoppy

[rave154]

a few quick measurements,

mosfet bulb is only perhaps 1-5% bright, coil bulb is about 30% bright.

mosfet bulb :- 12mA DC, 18mA AC, 0.1mV DC, 3.8mV AC

coil bulb :- 29mA DC, 18mA AC, 0.0mV DC, 7.1mV AC *****


*** = when measuring voltage across coil bulb, coil bulb changes from 30% brightness to 0% while mosfet bulb changes from 0% brightness to 30%.......ie, they swap over brightness's.

DC, AC above refer to the setting on the meter and not to any rectification etc.

David. D

[gotoluc]

GOTLUC,

i have successfully recreated your test, not fully yet as im a bit tired from work, but i have got the "input bulb" barely glowing with the output bulb about 30% brightness, it is all VERY dependent on frequency AND duty cycle, i havent put my scope on it yet to get the same freq & duty as you had ( will do once ive had a nap)...but certainly looks very promising.......in a purely "entertaining" kind of a way.

Ahimsa & Namaste,

David. D

Namaste David,

glad you are seeing the effect

Keep us updated with your findings.

Ahimsa & Shanti

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi guys i would like to show you what i came up with working on recirculating current. this circuit create a very high voltage and recirculating current. 2 series Resonant coils are thick and uses 2 high amps diodes and 3 capacitors in my case water capacitors. 1 of the capacitors just balance the circuit.

I was doing some simulations on multisim but computer is broken now.

Is like a dual quasi resonant joined together. My intention was to break down water molecule so i made it to recirculate high amps dc.

this technology was from stanley meyer and he didn't showed his connections very well so here it is.

when the first capacitor is charged the diode allow the current to flow in one direction so it discharge sending the current to the other capacitor creating a 360° quadrature resonance.

the red and blue line show the current flow 180° each

hope it help you understand recirculating current

Hi sebosfato,

interesting idea and circuit you have. Can you let me know if you have built and tested this.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc

Don't forget that you only have a very short duty cycle ('on' period) with the bulb connected into the pulsed circuit. Could it be that the overal power consumption of the circuit changes, causing the battery drain to be slower when the supply is pulsed? Try increasing the duty cycle (lengthen the 'on' pulse) progressively whilst observing the drain rate of the battery and bulb brightness to answer this question.

Hoppy

Hi Hoppy,

the duty cycle has no importance here and the frequency of 1.5Khz is high compared to something like grid frequency @60Hz. Also, the output side in the test is DC because a capacitor is there to smooth out the output. My test is comparable to DC.

Luc

[gotoluc]

a few quick measurements,

mosfet bulb is only perhaps 1-5% bright, coil bulb is about 30% bright.

mosfet bulb :- 12mA DC, 18mA AC, 0.1mV DC, 3.8mV AC

coil bulb :- 29mA DC, 18mA AC, 0.0mV DC, 7.1mV AC *****


*** = when measuring voltage across coil bulb, coil bulb changes from 30% brightness to 0% while mosfet bulb changes from 0% brightness to 30%.......ie, they swap over brightness's.

DC, AC above refer to the setting on the meter and not to any rectification etc.

David. D

Hi David,

I'm happy that you are getting results.

I would suggest not to use a meter to measure Amps as it will not give you true results.

I'm still looking for a way to measure and if I find something I'll share it. I'm also opened to suggestions but not using conventional electrical measuring methods.

Luc

[Armagdn03]

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Interesting way of measuring in video number 9. However Im not totally sold on how it was done. Perhaps try this.

Measure the voltage drop of the single battery, and create a ratio, voltage drop / initial voltage.

Measure the voltage drop of the 9 batteries, and create the same ratio, then compare the two.

In all fairness, I think that this has way to many variables to be too accurate, but it should give a decent idea.

Just a thought.

[rave154]

GOTLUC & others,

somebody mentioned "does it work with an inductive load?"

sooo, purely for entertainment, i took out the "output bulb" and replaced it with a 12v dc motor ( just a small ish one ).


baring in mind that i am only pulsing the coil with 12V as opposed to the 170VDC that you were using GOT, the motor did not run BUT...it did make my coil start to sing and ALSO... when i attempted to spin the rotor of the motor by hand ANTI-clockwise.....it would only spin 1 rev and then stop dead, when i span the rotor clockwise it span about 6 or 7 revs and i could hear the effect on the singing of the coil.

ok, now im about to split the 555 power from the coil power so i can up the power to the coil....again......purely for entertainment ;-)

David. D