Effects of Recirculating BEMF to Coil

[rave154]

GOTO,

thanks for the comments, i9 just got back from town, got a 100omg & 500ohm 22 turn pots for fine tuning..but.....what id REALLY like to do is use the function generator from my sound-card....but i am inexperienced as how to take the output of it ( which i belive is AC, maybe 1.4V ).....and connect this to drive the mosfet......obviously the function gen would give me ultimate control of the frequency.

David. D

[gotoluc]

Yes David,

using the soundcard would be a better way to control the mosfet. I never have used it since the output is not high enough. I think we need a 12.5 volts peek to trigger the mosfet and I think the soundcard outputs up to 2 volts RMS. Maybe using a step up transformer to get the voltage high enough may work.

If anyone else has the solution please post your suggestion.

Luc

[rave154]

GOTO,

i was thinking of maybe using the soundcard function gen, to trigger the base of a 2n2222......which in turn triggers the mosfet ?


im not sure as my electronics knowledge is terrible.

anyways, for the time being until someone can help, i will use the precision resistors to control the frequency of the 555 and hopefully get to that narrow band where the fun begins. cant wait to see it on the scope !

David. D

[poynt99]

Hi .99

I don't think that all are ignoring your extremely well prepared document explaining what we are seeing, as not many have replicated the circuit.

Luc,

Indeed perhaps not many have built and tested the circuit, but you have and so have a few others. Not one person that has built and tested the circuit, including yourself has asked any questions about the information. So I must assume that either no one is interested in it, or that all understand it well enough to now characterize on their own, the results that they are seeing.

Let me ask you, are you 100% sure without any dough that this is all that is happening in this circuit?

Yes. I would bet my house on it.

I am confident that there are few if any folks out there such as Rosemary Ainslie working with these "standard pulse circuits" and claiming that they are producing overunity, would think even one second of wagering their house based on their claims.

I know that you don't buy 100% of the established EE since you are interested in the TPU and they say this kind of thing is not possible.

Correct.

If you read my posts, and you do! you know that I've been asking for help to find a way to measure the circuit not using conventional EE methods. Your help would be better applied in finding such a way then trying to convince others about conventional EE is the right way to look at this, since many don't completely buy conventional EE including yourself and I think you. I am open to proving this circuit has no desired effect but how do I prove it in an non conventional way.

Luc

I don't think you can honestly say that you have tried testing your circuit the conventional EE way. At least I have not seen you test your input power from the source as I specified quite clearly in the document...agreed?

How can you dismiss the conventional way of testing if you do not understand it and have not yet even tried it? Isn't it wise to first try the conventional way of doing testing to see what results you obtain?

The purpose of the document I made based on your videos and results was to EDUCATE. To move on to the "para-normal", shouldn't we first understand the "normal"? I have not tried to "convince" anyone of anything, other than to read and understand the document. Once completely understood, I leave judgment as to the "right way" up to the reader.

Steven Mark was an electronics wiz. He designed and built the TPU. Do you think I would have any hope in hell in achieving something similar to his device if I did not already understand the basics of electricity? One has to know the "normal" before one can recognize the "paranormal".

You say that many don't buy conventional theory, but those many include those that don't even understand conventional theory, so logically, how can one outright dismiss it if it is not even understood?

How to prove your circuit in an "unconventional way" I don't know at the moment, nor am I 100% certain what you mean by that. Do you?

Please list all the "conventional" ways that you do not want to try (and have already dismissed as being invalid) first, then we may have a chance of coming up with something that is "unconventional". Then I may be able to help. HINT: So far in your videos, you have not measured input power by any means, conventional or unconventional. I have already explained why.

Until then, you are currently left with the known tools at hand, and they are readily available and explained how to use.

Respectfully,
.99

[gotoluc]

GOTO,

i was thinking of maybe using the soundcard function gen, to trigger the base of a 2n2222......which in turn triggers the mosfet ?

im not sure as my electronics knowledge is terrible.

David. D

the 2n2222 to trigger the mosfet sounds like a good ideal the soundcard should be able to trigger it. You may need a resistor so the current of the soundcard doesn't blow the 2n2222.

my electronics knowledge is also terrible.

Let me know how it works out.

Luc

[gyula]

Folks,

Does not a soundcard limit the useful output frequency range over 20kHz or so?

I think the CMOS version of the wellknown 555 timer IC would serve as a general purpose function generator, it works up to 3MHz and cheap. Types are LMC555CN from National Semic. or TLC555C for Texas Instr.

rgds, Gyula

[gotoluc]

Folks,

Does not a soundcard limit the useful output frequency range over 20kHz or so?

I think the CMOS version of the wellknown 555 timer IC would serve as a general purpose function generator, it works up to 3MHz and cheap. Types are LMC555CN from National Semic. or TLC555C for Texas Instr.

rgds, Gyula

Yes Gyula! but from my tests the circuit shows drops in efficiency with frequencies over 5KHz, so a soundcard frequency range should be enough.

Thanks for recommending the those models of 555 since in the Resonance topic I was saying it would be good if we can get in the MHz range. Please have a look and see if you can help with a circuit that can switch a mosfet H-Bridge but have Duty Cycle adjustment. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post61069

Thanks for your help Gyula.

Luc

[gyula]

Hi Luc,

Though I have answered Ren's question over that thread, I will show you an LMC555 circuit tomorrow.

rgds, Gyula

[petersone]

Hi All
I have been reading this thread with great interest,and I hope the following is not off topic. For the last 2-3 days I have been trying out a very simple test,as follows.It only has 3 parts,a set of machanical points,a coil(half a transformer) and a battery to charge.All 3 are connected in series,the points only come together long enough for the current to rise to max. in the coil at as fast a frequency as I can get,I have done a number of charge/discharge cycles,I've tried different rechargable batts.1.2v,9v and 12v car batt.and they all seem to charge,the flyback seems to put out more than it takes to energize the coil,is this possible?I have scoped the coil output to optimize the points setting.Your questions/comments would be VERY welcome.
peter.

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc,

Though I have answered Ren's question over that thread, I will show you an LMC555 circuit tomorrow.

rgds, Gyula

Yes, you're right! I forgot about your post. Too many things on the go

If you have a circuit that can adjust duty cycle using the CMOS version of the LMC555C or TLC555C maybe post it there as a suggestion since I would like to be able to go up to the MHz range and Ren said his could not.

Thanks for your time Gyula

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi All
I have been reading this thread with great interest,and I hope the following is not off topic. For the last 2-3 days I have been trying out a very simple test,as follows.It only has 3 parts,a set of machanical points,a coil(half a transformer) and a battery to charge.All 3 are connected in series,the points only come together long enough for the current to rise to max. in the coil at as fast a frequency as I can get,I have done a number of charge/discharge cycles,I've tried different rechargable batts.1.2v,9v and 12v car batt.and they all seem to charge,the flyback seems to put out more than it takes to energize the coil,is this possible?I have scoped the coil output to optimize the points setting.Your questions/comments would be VERY welcome.
peter.

Thanks for posting your test Peter

That is the big question here. If you read .99 document it will explain what is going on with these kinds of circuits. From that information you should have a better understanding or you may have questions to which .99 said he would be happy to answer.

Myself, I have never had success in using one battery to charge another with coil flyback more then the supply battery depletes. That doesn't mean it is not possible though! just that haven't been able to do it yet. Well... maybe that's not correct... I actually managed to get the 2nd battery voltage up faster then the 1st battery but after a load test it was clear it wasn't usable power since it dropped in voltage twice as fast That's why I'm not showing batteries being recharged in my videos.

Don't let any of this stop you as I could never tell you for sure it can't be done just because I can't do it.

Keep us updated and thanks for sharing.

Luc

[poynt99]

Myself, I have never had success in using one battery to charge another with coil flyback more then the supply battery depletes. That doesn't mean it is not possible though! just that haven't been able to do it yet. Well... maybe that's not correct... I actually managed to get the 2nd battery voltage up faster then the 1st battery but after a load test it was clear it wasn't usable power since it dropped in voltage twice as fast That's why I'm not showing batteries being recharged in my videos.

Luc

That's interesting Luc. Thanks for your honesty and for sharing that. I tried that too and wasn't even able to get the charge battery to show charging/voltage-rise at all.

.99

[rave154]

Pwm

heres the PWM circuit that im using.

its basically the right hand half of the circuit Dave Lawton uses for HHO production, only difference is that pin 4 goes to positive. caps at bottom can be switched for frequency range & adjustable by pots, both frequency and duty cycle are adjustable.

[rave154]

Correction

small correction to circuit of my previous post, pins 4 AND 8 go to 100Ohm resistor coming from the "+"

feel free to delete my previous post

[rave154]

Hi,

its 2.01 am ( i work nights ), playing around with GOTOLUC's & my circuit,

i just had the bedini running along with the pwm..output bulb at about 30-40% as usual, with 110VDC standing on the cap, i stil cant see why the bulb doesnt glow full brightness with "not much voltage" standing on the cap????

however, i disconnected the NEG from the bedini and of course the motor started to run down in speed and of course the voltage on the cap started to drop obviously, as this was happening i also disconnected the NEG of the PWM circuit and the bulb flashed brilliantly........WHY?

ive tried this a couple of times now, same every time