Hubbard Coil

[morpher44]

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wow - Publication date Oct 3, 2012

Patent EP2505807A2 - Self-sustaining electric-power generator utilizing electrons of low inertial ... - Google Patents

[Dave45]

Excellent Morpher 44
Thanks for the link

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LT superconducting wire
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sacred geometry - 8 small circles around 1 large circle

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[morpher44]

Heterodyne PHI Ratio Frequencies - DOH!

So over the holidays I started winding some Hubbard Coils again.
I absolutely KNOW -- somehow -- that Hubbard's PHI relationship matters,
so I took care to maintain that relationship between the diameter
of the center core and the 8 smaller cores.

Now playing around with my pulse-generator and my scope, I can see that these air core coils I made self-resonate at:
53mm diameter ~ 536.5Khz
32.76mm diameter ~ 868Khz
So that is interesting. The frequencies here maintain that PHI ratio.
It makes sense because Fr = 1 / (2*PI*sqrt(L*C))
and if you compute the ratio of the two Fr values, substituting
L*1.618 for one of them, you see that the frequencies will maintain
that ratio too. NOTE: Assuming the C value is approximately the same.

This is an interesting property -- and MUST have been intentional.
I did a quick search of the web for Frequency times PHI, and I found this
URL:

Phi: The key to zero point.

Hubbard you sneaky dude!!!!
I gotta build me this thing again.

The claim is that you can get 3x power over your input ...
and some replicators have claimed that they have gotten this.
If your coils are nicely matched here such that the PHI relationship
is maintained physically, with same turns on each coil,
you should be able to heterodyne the oscillations and
maintain this strange mathematical magic.
Wow!

--morpher44

[Dave45]

That awesome Morpher, could we tune in harmonics this way.

[gene gene]

Morpher you said it Wow!!!

The math here is over my head, but physically maintaining the PHI relationship within the coil structures, RINGS!! in my mind as brilliant thinking.

Best of luck with your build, Gene

[Itsu]

I absolutely KNOW -- somehow -- that Hubbard's PHI relationship matters,
so I took care to maintain that relationship between the diameter
of the center core and the 8 smaller cores.
--morpher44

Interesting, so you say that when starting of with only that in mind, you end up with a selfresonance of these coils also in the PHI relation (despite the number of turns (guess you keep them te same), the used spacing/wire and the length of the coils (guess also the same) and thus different inductances)?

Could you tell if the inductance of the different coils also are in the PHI relationship?

Regards Itsu

[morpher44]

PHI squared

Interesting, so you say that when starting of with only that in mind, you end up with a selfresonance of these coils also in the PHI relation (despite the number of turns (guess you keep them te same), the used spacing/wire and the length of the coils (guess also the same) and thus different inductances)?

Could you tell if the inductance of the different coils also are in the PHI relationship?

Regards Itsu

Calculating inductance can be done using the formula found here:

Inductance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Specifically:
L = u0 * N^2 * A / l

l - length will be the same for the big coils and small coils
N - number of turns -- keep this the same for big and small coils
u0 is a constant 4E-07 * PI (henries/m).

So we are left with A. A will NOT be the same and is calculate
by 2 * PI * (D/2)^2 where D is the diameter.

So we see that the radius are the PHI relation ship, yes, but the
square of the radius maintains the PHI^2 relationship.

Hence the two inductances maintain a ratio of PHI squared.
Make sense?

[morpher44]

Waveforms with PHI ratios...

Morpher you said it Wow!!!

The math here is over my head, but physically maintaining the PHI relationship within the coil structures, RINGS!! in my mind as brilliant thinking.

Best of luck with your build, Gene

Gene,

To simplify things a bit.... What Hubbard was simply trying to do, I believe, is create a coil that has a geometry that lends itself to self-oscillations that is self sustaining -- self reinforcing. We know that coil geometry plays a role in what inductance you get and what frequency you will self oscillate. That is well known. We also know that mathematically, PHI has a unique property where wave forms that are related with the PHI harmonic will self re-enforce.

Taking those two KNOWNs, what coil geometry would lend itself to being the most optimum to produce reinforcing oscillations?

What is "brilliant" here is that instead of just thinking about positive feedback using ONE frequency for an oscillator, we have this various powers-of-PHI thing going on here. Harmonics with PHI ratios?

So simple, so elegant. Why didn't I see this before. I've been thinking about this for 3+ years and couldn't see it.

It should be possible to create an oscillator that produces PHI ratio harmonics with this geometry.

[Itsu]

Make sense?

Hmmm, yes that makes sense.
PHI = 1.618033988

Doing it a different way confirms:
When i use the one outer coil with diameter of 50mm that means that the center coil needs to be 50mm x PHI = 80.9mm.
Taking the following values for nbr of turns = 90 and length of coil = 20cm i get:

outer coils 50mm 90t 20cm
center coil 80.9mm 90t 20cm

Calculating the inductance of these air coils with:
Coil Inductance Calculator - 66pacific.com

I get:
outer coils L= 89.6uH
center coil L= 221uH

The 221uH is close to the "outer coil L" x PHI^2 (89.6 x 2.6180) you proposed which is 234.5uH.

Finally calculating the selfresonance with:
CalcTool: RLC or LC circuit calculator

i get:

outer coils Res.= 5316.99Khz (L= 89.6uH / 1 Ohm / 10pF)
center coil Res.= 3385.51Khz (L= 221uH / 1 Ohm / 10pF) (When i use 234.5uH as L, i get 3286.61Khz)

The outer coils resonance should be at 5477.87Khz using the PHI relationship with center coil being 221uH (3385.51Khz), but
when i use L=234.5uH (3286.61Khz) i get 5317.84Khz, which is very close.
I guess the deviations (221 verses 234.4) are to be explained by the (self)capacitance of the coils which is bigger for the center coil

To be complete:

outer coils 50mm 90t 20cm L= 89.6uH Res.= 5316.99Khz (1 Ohm / 10pF)
center coil 80.9mm 90t 20cm L= 221uH Res.= 3385.51Khz or 3286.61Khz when using L=234.5uH (1 Ohm / 10pF)


Regards Itsu

[morpher44]

golden nuggets

Hmmm, yes that makes sense.
...
To be complete:

outer coils 50mm 90t 20cm L= 89.6uH Res.= 5316.99Khz (1 Ohm / 10pF)
center coil 80.9mm 90t 20cm L= 221uH Res.= 3385.51Khz or 3286.61Khz when using L=234.5uH (1 Ohm / 10pF)


Regards Itsu

Thanks Itsu.
Those web calculators may round up/down, etc.
Its probably better to work with the math in terms of equations and symbols and see what cancels, etc... trig.
Its pretty clear here, though, that he was thinking about the frequencies and the PHI relationship between them. The coils, when made, will be a bit imperfect -- implying you may have to TUNE adding or subtracting turns, or adding capacitors in parallel with the coil, etc. The machine being made, however, is trying to create these reinforcing frequencies that have the nice PHI relationship.

I've been thinking about this a bit this morning and there are possibly OTHER geometries to consider:

1. Russian Doll approach -- place cylinders inside each other with coils wrapped around them. With just TWO coils, you have a basic transformer. I have two coils with the PHI relationship. I tried this and to my amazement, if you pulse the bigger outer coil, the inner coil experiences a HUGE voltage increase -- ala Tesla coil. So why stop at two? Why not have several cylinders each with a PHI ratio diameter?

2. Pancake coils arrange on a cone with PHI relationship. Each flat pancake coil could have an inner diameter that allows it to sit on a cone structure @ its place in the PHI array. Next pancake coil down is is to have an inner diameter with the PHI^2 ratio, and so on. Each of these pancake coils should reinforce each other inductively, but do the very nice feature of transforming FREQUENCY. You would maintain in the coils the PHI^2 ratio for inductance, and the PHI ratio inner diameters (and outer diameters). This cone-stack-of-pancake coils might be interesting to experiment with.

3. Stack of Rodin coils - Why not create a CONE of Rodin coils, each made from torroids that maintain the PHI ratio with respect to diameter? Again we can create the self-reinforcing effect of waveforms and the frequency transformation.

4. We would need to work out whether or not 1-to-1 ratios for the transformers is necessary or whether or not you can get away with have voltage step-up/step-down by utilizing different turn ratios -- but preserving the PHI ratios where necessary. There essentially are various degrees of freedom here: Number of turns, turn ratios between coils, PHI-ratios for sizes of structures, etc.

5. Creating a circuit for a multi-frequency oscillator with each frequency being a PHI ratio harmonic of each other. Such an oscillator would probably BEST be made with these sorts of coils and there may be something about the magnetic fields interacting this way that is important The BEAT frequencies between these magnetic fields may turn natures key. Certainly human beings appreciate the beauty of PHI, as does nature.

I'm sure some of you creative folks out there can think of other ideas ... but I really really like this because it appears so simple.
It really points to the fact that we need to be reverse-engineering these MYSTERY devices. There can be little "golden" nuggets of truth in their design that although were not effectively communicated by the inventor, never-the-less, are expressed in the invention itself.

Cheers,

Morpher44

[morpher44]

Two frequencies problem...

In basic physics, there are formulas for two sine waves and how they BEAT to create a 3rd frequency.

This is a good link. See "Two Sine Waves With Different Frequencies"

Superposition of Waves

So given this equation, can you solve it such that frequency A
is the faster frequency, frequency B is 1.618 slower, and the resulting BEAT frequency, frequency C is 1.618 slower than B?

In other words, can you create a BEAT frequency from two PHI ratio sine waves that produces a wave that continues to maintain the PHI ratio relationship. If yes, than take C add it to B and produce D ... and so on.

Seems doable, right?

[Itsu]

Hi M,

i can see that you are "thinking" about this stuff already for a long time.
I like your pancake coil idea (being populair nowadays), but have a hard time visializing this.
I have to reread it severall times i guess.

This signal (modulated) we see under: "Two sine waves with different frequencies: Beats" in your link above, we see also in these induction plate replications from JL Naudin, Woopy etc.

For now i will start simple by winding some air coils in the PHI relationship and do some measurments on them.

Thanks, regards Itsu.