Electret experiments

[Bodkins]

dont forget you need really low amps to get one to work, that why i used a flyback tramsformer.
maybe a ideal to think about hign voltage resistors!

nice magnet movement

[rave154]

INQ, fantstic stuff there !!! LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!! was making hungry after a while strangely.

BOD, i havent forgotten about your pwm circuit, got set back a few things, but, i seem to have stumbled across an even more robust one using a mosfet rather than a 2n3055... so any day now.

Ahimsa,

David. D

[Inquorate]

Low amps

One of the drawbacks of my mechanical switch is that the razor blade contact doesn't allow much current. Fortunately, that's a plus for this experiment.

Now it's just a waiting game.

I'm going to melbourne for the weekend, but next week I'll prob return to the switch experiments.

Love and light

Ps three cheers for electric pie !

[ourbobby]

hi guys,
nice to see a current discussion on something that interests me.

Looking at the Karl Schappeller Device, the internal coils are stated to have an electret contained inside the coils of 6mm copper tubing. These are then connected to copper wire as they exit the devise.

Now here is the topic I am attempting to research. Does one pour the melted waxes into the copper tube and then connect the HV polaring supply to each end of the tube? I think that this should work. However, for those familiar with this devise, would not the electret contained tube short out as soon as the external wires are connected? Unless, if someone has experimented with electrets, would this set up a pulsing motion of charge - discharge?

I await some interesting comments!!

Regards

[Bodkins]

hi guys,
nice to see a current discussion on something that interests me.

Looking at the Karl Schappeller Device, the internal coils are stated to have an electret contained inside the coils of 6mm copper tubing. These are then connected to copper wire as they exit the devise.

Now here is the topic I am attempting to research. Does one pour the melted waxes into the copper tube and then connect the HV polaring supply to each end of the tube? I think that this should work. However, for those familiar with this devise, would not the electret contained tube short out as soon as the external wires are connected? Unless, if someone has experimented with electrets, would this set up a pulsing motion of charge - discharge?

I await some interesting comments!!

Regards

hi ourbobby
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...te-matter.html


dont get my started
with the internal coils i was understanding that you need pure amps not volt like the electrets?
the electret is a proof of concept that make the prime mover is possible, i think the wax is on the outside of the sphere and in the middle of the spherecoil? i was thinking algea but i dont now if that right now, from my research it looking like some black matter, think about the earth!
I see volts as light energy and amps as dark/shadow
the raindow holds the world together (and you, chakra)

with electrets you need a postive and negative so if you wish to try it you will need a middle wire in the 6mm copper.

anyway this is my electret YouTube - Atenna Electret
YouTube - Electret(thank Branden)

[ourbobby]

Hi Bodkins,
Yes I have the Davson book, and I am looking through it. Most interesting. I like some of the concepts that are presented.

I like your observation of the central wire for the circular electret. It satisfies the requirement as you say of providing separate nodes to determine a negative and positive environment. Also, allowing a charge to be taken off.

I am not sure about the amps though. But, I take your developed knowledge as a workable hypothesis.

If I understand some of your comments, regarding the sphere, I think that you might be suggesting that the "flux" created inside of the sphere is as a result of the developed "energy" that is reflected back into the coils and produces current. This in turns becomes the external energy source. The electret meanwhile reduces the internal pressure through its constant voltage potential, by allowing the current to pass through. Getting a bit heavy at the moment.

I will have to reread the primary physics, try to get a better understanding.

Thanks for the reply and good tip on the wire.

[Inquorate]

ourbobby

got a link or a pic to the device you are talking about?

i'm going bush in a moment, but i'll get back to you tomorrow

[ourbobby]

got a link or a pic to the device you are talking about?

Hi there,
I shall upload a Karl Schappeller.pdf for you to browse. I have found it provocative to say the least. Especially as I was thinking that most of the early energy machines may have been doctored using Radium chloride, as suggested of the Hans Coler device and the Hubbard Devise.

[Bodkins]

http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm

when waiting read!

[ourbobby]

Hi guys,
my research on electrets has progressed further. I now have worked out that there is a temperature coefficient for the variuous ferroelectric compounds. For example. Barium Titanate is 118degrees centigrade (curie Point),above which, when it reverts to being a dielectic material. Below this looking at electret properties. Curie point is a critical factor.

I have not worked out have to "polarise" the Barium substrate, as if it is done at this melting point, similar to the wax process, it would need platinum wires for the charging process. Looking at 1350 degrees centigrade just for sintering.

Will have to try and compile a list of materials and their properties in relation to electret opportunities. And, the heat ,Curie points, for "Spark - heat" requirements

Not a lot of information out there. However, as one who likes to extrapolate information, I would suggest that there is a connection between the Barium electret characterists and the Floyd Sweet VTA process where he uses Barium Ferrite magnet

regards

[RAMSET]

Like this?

Bodkins
All

I wonder what the COP is of this device.

YouTube - Dirod 1

Or this one.

YouTube - Bonetti Machine clip #3

TK

[ourbobby]

Bodkins
All

I wonder what the COP is of this device.

YouTube - Dirod 1

Or this one.

YouTube - Bonetti Machine clip #3

TK

Hi,
When measuring COP you have to remember that you are measuring input against output. In the first video, the input is manual, the output is a bouncing ball. To show the COP, you would have to use a measurable input such as a motor. The output bouncing ball would have to activate some sort of drive mechanism from which it would be possible to obtain a measurement that could be measured efficiently with the input measurement.

I doubt that this devise would significantly obtain a COP of greater than one. First there would be too much drag on his magnets(?) on the large wheel. This is evidenced by the increase in speed from the increase in hand turning of the drive gear.

What you should be looking for here is the obvious use of electrets. See if you can spot them. It is this which makes this video interesting.

Regards

[sucahyo]

@Inquorate, in case you want to use one wire current, I think you may need to find the best position for the diode. I got surprise just now when learning that holding the rectified neon leg can make the voltage measurement jump from 10Volts to 240volts:

YouTube - Rectifying one wire current, ground position is important


I don't know if HV diode capable of rectifying closed loop radiant oscillator HV output.

[Inquorate]

That's strange.

The neon was connected to oscillator on one leg, and when you added ground line to the other leg was when you got different readings?

[ourbobby]

Electret mechanics

Hi guys,
what sort of shrinkage has to be allowed for when using the traditional waxes when making an electret?

Regards