scalar wave detector

[Tehnoman]

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"Third. The most essential requirement is, however, that irrespective of frequency the wave or wave-train should continue for a certain interval of time, which I have estimated to be not less than one-twelfth or probably .08484 of a second and which is taken in passing to and returning from the region diametrically opposite the pole over the earth's surface with a mean velocity of about four hundred and seventy-one thousand two hundred and forty kilometers per second."

471240000 / 299792458 = 1.572 x speed of light

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Well, this makes me wonder.

How can we be sure that this "Tesla wave" traveled over the earths surface? I am suspicious because the ratio of acquired speed is closely related to well known constant Pi [3.14159]. If we compare the distance to opposite side of sphere (ok, earth is not perfect sphere, but close enough), then distance through it would be "d" (from diameter), but distance around it (half the length of circle line) would be "Pi/2 * d". "Pi/2 = 1.571", awful close for sure.

I bet that if we would describe this situation as if the signal have traveled trough the globe rather than around, we would get precisely speed of light "c". Sad to say, but this proof of signal traveling faster than light doesn't convince me at all.

Btw, have read pretty much from Meyl too, haven't found anything better. My thoughts about him can be found in another topic, titled "Faraday vs Maxwell".

[morpher44]

Meyl

As for speed of light, etc, morpher please read Meyl's book.
Love and light

Found it. Thanks
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/60_Primaerli...alar-Waves.pdf

Very interesting stuff.
This sounds a lot like Dr. Stiffler's work.

[morpher44]

Fast Waves

How can we be sure that this "Tesla wave" traveled over the earths surface? I am suspicious because the ratio of acquired speed is closely related to well known constant Pi [3.14159]. If we compare the distance to opposite side of sphere (ok, earth is not perfect sphere, but close enough), then distance through it would be "d" (from diameter), but distance around it (half the length of circle line) would be "Pi/2 * d". "Pi/2 = 1.571", awful close for sure.

Yes yes. Makes sense. But ... I would be highly surprised
if the wave could go directly through the earth unless it was indeed
scalar, passing through all matter.
We don't know if Tesla assumed direct diameter distance or
circumference distance. He doesn't say I don't think.
Radio waves actually bounce up and down off the ionosphere
and might take LONGER -- slightly -- than a circumference distance.

I have puzzled, for years, over why the great pyramid of Giza
encodes PI/2 in the pyramid angle.
If you imagine the electro-magnetic wave going from center of base to
apex, and another wave going from center the outer circumference
-- if one is speed of light ...and the other is 1.57 speed
of light, they would arrive to the exterior
at the exact same time.
That would mean the geometry is perfect for standing waves
at some frequency derivable from the pyramid measurements.

Perhaps the pyramid can detect ... and convert ... scalar transmissions to transverse transmissions.

[morpher44]

journey to the other side of the earth.

I bet that if we would describe this situation as if the signal have traveled trough the globe rather than around, we would get precisely speed of light "c". Sad to say, but this proof of signal traveling faster than light doesn't convince me at all.

Tesla "estimated" 1/12 second -- 84.84mSec or so.
Regardless of the distance he assumed, his wave
would go out and come back with that phase difference.

Assuming speed-of-light, that is roughly
25,452,000 meters (15815 miles) round trip.

The diameter of the earth is 12,756,320 meters (7926.41 miles).

Hence, assuming speed of light, Tesla's estimate was
a wave that traveled 1.995 diameters of the earth.

This would imply that his wave was intended to go STRAIGHT through and back
again to arrive so fast. Had it traveled the circumference,
which is 40,075.16 kilometers (24901.55 miles),
he should have estimated 133.6mSec or so.

HE WAS HACKING THE PLANET!

[boguslaw]

Well, this makes me wonder.

How can we be sure that this "Tesla wave" traveled over the earths surface? I am suspicious because the ratio of acquired speed is closely related to well known constant Pi [3.14159]. If we compare the distance to opposite side of sphere (ok, earth is not perfect sphere, but close enough), then distance through it would be "d" (from diameter), but distance around it (half the length of circle line) would be "Pi/2 * d". "Pi/2 = 1.571", awful close for sure.

I bet that if we would describe this situation as if the signal have traveled trough the globe rather than around, we would get precisely speed of light "c". Sad to say, but this proof of signal traveling faster than light doesn't convince me at all.

Btw, have read pretty much from Meyl too, haven't found anything better. My thoughts about him can be found in another topic, titled "Faraday vs Maxwell".

You are right. That is exactly what Tesla stated. This scalar wave is propagating at c speed no more but directly through the Earth which is nothing more that a wire of big diameter. On Earth surface occur something which is flows faster then c and seems to be exactly like Tesla said - first infinite ,then slowdown to c then again being infinite.

Something like that maybe : Subluminal

[Xenomorph]

Scalar waves speed

In : Besprechung des Abschnitts "Scalar Waves"

the author states:

The wave equation belongs to the best-researched equations of the theory of the partial differential equations. An important sentence says that the signal speed of solutions cannot cross the speed of light.

There are no superluminal solutions, consequently also no superluminal zero-potential waves.

Statement:
The scalar potential has a peculiarity: it propagates instantaneously everywhere in space, undiminished by distance.

Comment:
The zero-scalarwaves do not have this quality of the propagation at infinite speed in space certainly. Since with U is also -Ut, the Oschman's "scalar wave", a solution of the wave equation (8). However, after the theory of the partial differential equations the signal speed of the solutions of the wave equation is not bigger than the speed of light. In spite of the ineffectiveness of the zero-potential waves in the physical world a physical statement is possible here:

Oschman's "scalar waves" cannot spread out at superluminal speed.

So according to this scalar waves cannot travel faster than light.

[Inquorate]

In : Besprechung des Abschnitts "Scalar Waves"

the author states:





So according to this scalar waves cannot travel faster than light.

I'll bet they can do some pretty neat things though..

We must not forget we are wading through theory and misinformation, experiments will sort the chaff from the grain.

Love and light

[morpher44]

Ball lightning

I was reading here:

Google Image Result for http://www.crystalinks.com/ball.lightning.jpg

that "Until February of 2006 there was no convincing laboratory demonstration of ball lightning. In that month, Israeli scientists announced that they had created a short-lived effect using the same technology found in microwave ovens."

Does anyone know more about this.

The theories mentioned here include:
" * that some stored chemical energy is slowly being released, providing
persistence and thrust.
* that ball lightning is some form of induction phenomenon.
(Ball lightning having allegedly been witnessed inside metal aircraft.)
* that the lightning is a Hill's vortex, like a smoke ring.
"
After watching Stan Deyo's lecture, it would seem
"vortex-smoke-ring" would be the idea promoted since
Deyo (and others) have made a convincing argument
that energy can be preserved in this way at it travels.
It would be DIRECTED and travel longitudinally.
Hence it would be scalar.

On a very close inspection of a spark between spark gaps,
I can see, at times, a vortex forming -- like a tiny
tornado.
I am sold on this idea that energy can be released in this way.
It seems perfectly logical that it could occur.

The solution to creating a vortex involves geometry only.

Here is a video that shows a possible "natural" ball lightning
event.

YouTube - Ball Lightning Weather Phenomenon

If this can happen in nature ... then scalar waves are real.

[Inquorate]

Another ball lightning candidate

YouTube - UFO Storm Part 2 - Dublin Ohio - June 2008 Is it a UFO or Ball Lightning?

About 50sec in..

We're going to fire up ren's hairpin circuit tomorrow, should have more on wether the detector picks up events while in the faraday cage

Love and light

[morpher44]

man-made ball lightning

YouTube - ball lightning

YouTube - Microwave "Ball Lightning"

YouTube - MicrowaveCam.com - Grapes Plasma Fireball Captured

YouTube - MicrowaveCam.com - Microwave Grape Fireballs! (slow motion)

[Tehnoman]

Yes yes. Makes sense. But ... I would be highly surprised
if the wave could go directly through the earth unless it was indeed
scalar, passing through all matter.
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Well, radio waves or Hertz waves, call it what you want, is not so weak. We know for sure that EM transverse waves at visible frequency (light) can't go through matter, but we don't have so intuitive knowledge about other frequencies, number of which is pretty high.

You are right. That is exactly what Tesla stated. This scalar wave is propagating at c speed no more but directly through the Earth which is nothing more that a wire of big diameter. On Earth surface occur something which is flows faster then c and seems to be exactly like Tesla said - first infinite ,then slowdown to c then again being infinite.[..]

Nice pictures, haven't seen them before. Kind of agree to some of them. But yet - we can't conclude about some "strange" wave existence from such circumstances. We must isolate the non-transverse EM wave, that is the only way.

In : Besprechung des Abschnitts "Scalar Waves"
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Sorry to say so rude, but it is bull****. Wave equation itself doesn't say anything about speed of wave propagation. The speed of light limit is given by Maxwell-Heviside equations and postulated in Einsteins TOR.

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We're going to fire up ren's hairpin circuit tomorrow, should have more on wether the detector picks up events while in the faraday cage
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Yes, that is what I like more. As I said - we have to isolate that non-transverse EM wave. Faraday's cage is one good thing to start with. But - it have to be done right. You must ensure that the area inside cage is really shielded from outside world (one elegant way to prove that is to put cell phone inside and try to reach it - if it is out of coverage, then you have succeeded), and also don't allow any wires to enter or leave the cage, any measuring must be done inside the cage and power must come also from inside.

If then You acquire some sort of signal (and prove that anything inside the cage doesn't generate it), then it is really something.

Good luck!

[morpher44]

scalar antenna

If then You acquire some sort of signal (and prove that anything inside the cage doesn't generate it), then it is really something.
Good luck!

I admit I'm naive when it comes to scalar waves.
It seems to me that unlike transverse - hertzian waves,
a different sort of antenna might be needed to receive
LMD scalar waves.

I found this experiment very interesting:

The L.M.D./T.E.M.Test

The video for it was quite good as well.

This presentation implies that the LMD scalar wave
exits the TOP of the coil cylinder (if that is the coil shape you
are using).


It therefore might be appropriate to AIM the coil, similar to the
way you would aim a gun, with the coil mouth the exit point
for that sort of wave.
Yes I watch Warehouse 13. Fun show!!!
It should float out like a RING.
It will retain its spin circumference if the magnetic field
can be retained, as it travels though the natural environment.
When it HITs the Faraday cage shielding, it may dissipate all
around the surface of that material. If that material is
highly dense, atomically, like LEAD, it may not penetrate.
If its a thin aluminum shielding (turkey pans), it might ping
on the outside, but create an equal and opposite PING on the
inside which can be detected.

I suspect not enough is known about scalar waves and what
they can and cannot do.
I'm not convinced the faraday cage test is meaningful until
this is better understood.

I think the more interesting phenomenon is the over-unity phenomenon
if that can be shown to happen.
If more power is received than you sent, you have something important.

So I wouldn't get bogged down with Faraday cage experiments.
I personally would instead study the POWER implications of
scalar.

[Inquorate]

Bogged down

@ morpher - I agree, it is not to get bogged down in Faraday cage stuff, but hopefully conclusively prove that scalar waves are of a different breed to hertzian waves.

if so, then we can debate the differences, but until we have experiments like this to show people, it is all theory and conjecture.

Ren's been held up today, I'll try get my hairpin up and running, else perhaps will be able to share more tomorrow.

Thanks everyone for the level of interest in this project, and above all the honest views being expressed.

Love and light

[Tehnoman]

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So I wouldn't get bogged down with Faraday cage experiments.
I personally would instead study the POWER implications of
scalar.

Of course. No one is saying that if Faraday cage experiment fails, You should drop it. But one of the most noted property of scalar waves is that it is able to go through Faraday cage shielding.

So the experiment would be simple and results - strong.

@ morpher - I agree, it is not to get bogged down in Faraday cage stuff, but hopefully conclusively prove that scalar waves are of a different breed to hertzian waves.
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Agree. More than that - conclusively prove that there is other kind of waves than Hertz transverse EM waves.

[Inquorate]

Ok, detector flaw

The detector's magnetic field goes beyond the Faraday cage. That is a problem.

I fired up my 60kv circuit for it's RF hertzian waves, and even if the detector is in the cage, it still picks up a little bit of the RF.

I tried it with just a piece of wire looped on the end of the Oscilloscope probe, and the 'Faraday cage' stopped the RF radiations.

So, I wonder if scalar waves will be picked up by a simple coil??

Probably at least by a tesla pancake coil..

so, back to experiments which I love.