Biffilar Coils ala Tesla Type - with copper foil

[baroutologos]

Hello at all,

Ok, most of us have read the Tesla patent about biffilar coils (parallel wound -series connected). Most of us have used it in Bedini's SSG for triggering purposes. Fewer have employed it as a passive coil for power generation.

We have found so far that they excell in passive power generation mode under right circumstances.

I though in order to be enhanced, it must be made with copper foil. Has anyone any experience with biffilar coils, parallel wound series connected made with copper foil?

Has anyone any insulated copper foil supplier on his mind? ANyone has any table for finding equivalents of copper foil to normal awg?

Answers will be greatly appreciated.

edit: See pic below for what i mean

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Mark]

I dont know of any copper foil but I have purchased flat wire. Its just like regular motor wire, coated only its flat and you can purchase it in many different sizes.

[baroutologos]

I dont know of any copper foil but I have purchased flat wire. Its just like regular motor wire, coated only its flat and you can purchase it in many different sizes.

Ok, flat wire is fine. i hope you do not mean square.
In my region there is not any vendor available. Do you know any on-line one?

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Tecstatic]

Remember "radient energy" or whatever you call it is RF (radio frequencies), so you have to consider the skin effect, where only a thin layer at the surface is conducting. This make foil much more efficient, as it is almost surface only.

Farnell / Electronic Component Distributors / Suppliers / Electronics, Electrical Parts, Electrical Components and Wholesale Electronics.

has copper foil, I will not say it is cheap, you can check it online in their shop.

Use two rolls of polyethylene isolating tape for each copper foil layer for insulation, to reduce the risk of a hole defect in the insulation can create a short circuit.

Eric

[Mark]

look under specialty wire here Alpha-Core, Inc.

[Inquorate]

Radiant not RF

I respectfully disagree with radiant being RF; I believe it produces RF, but is scalar.

Love and light

[Jbignes5]

Weather you are right or wrong here is the definition.

Field effects of scalar energy
SFT suggests that scalar energy can move through space much like an electromagnetic wave. However, the operating principles are different. The regular expansion and contraction of a scalar bubble/void is like rythmicly splashing water on a pond. It sends out ripples through the general scalar field that can subtly affect the size and strength of distant scalar bubbles/voids. This means that a pair of magnets that are rhythmically opposing/attracting each other are sending out scalar ripples through space that will slightly perturb the scalar bubble/void between a second pair magnets nearby. The net effect is that the attraction and/or repulsion between the second pair of magnets exhibits a change in strength, even though the magnets and fields themselves are motionless. According to skeptics, the following description given for an application to a communication system reportedly failed to give reproduceable results.

[Tecstatic]

What I meant is when the energy enters your circuit, it shows up as RF. Thats what you have to consider when selecting your conductor.

Look at the big Bedini monopole where he uses Litz wire to maximize the surface ares of the conductor.

In DrStifflers thread we use a lot on effort on the scalar subject.

Eric

[baroutologos]

Thanks guys, and especially thanks Mark!

It is what i am looking for!


Regards,
Baroutologos

[Mark]

Your Welcome that flat wire is pretty awesome. I can get 50 volts off a small window type coil with no core.

[morpher44]

Nagaoka coefficient

Has anyone any experience with biffilar coils, parallel wound series connected made with copper foil?

I wrapped a coil around a jar. In the jar was aluminum foil -- a diamagnetic. I was not getting the predicted inductance. It was off by a factor of 5 to 10 (too small). Is the Nagaoka coefficient, therefore changing because the coil is wrapped around a diamagnetic material? I had never learned this in school, but perhaps it is well known.

There is also the weird Boyd Bushman coil which levitates above an aluminum surface.

If your goal is to increase Q (finer tuning, narrower bandwidth, HIGHER resonant peak), then consider the honeycomb coils -- used in the old days of radio.

It sort of makes sense that if the Q is very very high, that the power you could pull would be more intense. You have to watch out for the self resonance / saturation point.

I wonder if a tri-filar winding, with one winding being steal, might not increase inductance since Nagaoka coefficient would approach 5000.

Coils are fascinating.

[Otto-]

Hello all,

Im all the time posting at Overunity.com about my work on the TPU problem and now Im here to help if I can.

@baroutologos

I made my last TPU with a copper strip, not foil. It depends for what you want to use this copper strip or foil.

If you want to use such a copper foil/strip be veeery careful because even the plastic isolation between the windings is "working", to say so. Sparcs, arcs, heating and much more disaster is normal when you use such a copper foil in a pulsed system.

Otto

[baroutologos]

I see you have some experience with copper flat wire huh?
It is not insulated as the normal copper wire we know?

To state my purpose, i plan to utilize it in a specialy energizer, in biffilar form, parallel wound (2 strips) series connected that will go at kilovolt range.

Not appropriate?

Regards,
Baroutolgos

[Otto-]

@baroutologos

My copper strips are pure copper without any isolation. I used plastic foil to
isolate the 2 copper strips. To use oridinary plastic foil is not so good because the cap/core will heat up.

Your plan is veeeery good. If we have 2 copper strips, each isolated from the other, we have

1. a capacitor
2. a core

I would NOT connect them in a biffilar way.

Maybe the Tesla patent 568 176 would help? Look at the 1. picture. There you can see a strange looking capacitor. In Teslas patent drawings you can very often see capacitors but the point is HOW he draws his capacitors: oridinary caps, double caps, tripple caps....

Now imagine this caps are caps ANd cores!!

Yes, Im thinking always in a "wrong" way.

Otto

[baroutologos]

@Otto,

I am experimenting with Mr Thane Heins Perepiteia setup. The inventor, as well as Minde and me, we have confirmed that billiar coils ala Tesla type are the way to go. They produce decent current at kilovolt range if done right.

So, i thought the way to enhace its peculiar properties it is to have instead of usual round wire, woven with flat wire, insulated at kilovolt range. This will give good capacitor-coils i suppose. Who knows, experiements will tell.

Regards,
Baroutologos