Zero Friction <> All Gravity Wheel Designers Listen Up

[CloudSeeder]

@FrzWaterLab: You're a very deep thinker. I had to reread your ideas a number of times to picture what I think you're suggesting. Ordinarily using heavy glass would be a negative to the motion... but since you are going to use the float suspension balls to mimic weightlessness weight is not so negative after all.

I don't know enough to say whether it'll work like you say but it does sound plausible and you are having fun!

[CloudSeeder]

@FrzWaterLab: About the only negative you could have might be if the unit is Off Balance, which I encountered with one of mine. However, come to think of it, a person could deliberately make a pair of off balance wheels side-by-side having excess wobble that would slide magnets over coils from one side to the other.

What you want to do is try to turn negatives into positives that add to your device. Look for it. Energy is Energy.

[Cloxxki]

Once more media than just gravity are persued to obtain acceleration, my question is: what function does gravity still have? Lose weight, and lay flat would be my first response. I am accepting wheels that require a start-up bump :-)

[CloudSeeder]

@Cloxxki: I didn't know we were chasing acceleration. I thought the objective was more a steady speed device. At any rate every engine has to be bumped to start, even combustion. A gravity wheel has to be pushed. What good is gravity? Well, once we find the equation for spinning then you make the device larger and put a gear on the axle that meshes to a generator gear.

The outer wheel of the device exerts a spinning ever-happening leverage to the axle gears. Leverage, in motion. Not really needing to accelerate, just needing to overpower the resistance of a generator with its own inertia. At least, these are my conclusions so far.

[Cloxxki]

I only mean that once you require magnets or electricity, whichever way generated by the device itself, to complete a rotation at the same speed as the previous, overcoming frictions, then the gravity part was useless. Might as well take it out of the equasion. It either spins by itself on gravity alone, or the gravity "work" can be obsoleted. If an electric or magnetic feature is the one last thing to make the whole device "go", then gravity consitutes friction more than it does actuation. Lay it flat, be happy. Just a different thread needed then :-)

I want a gravity wheel, but if it takes electronics, I doubt it is a gravity wheel.

[CloudSeeder]

Oh sure, I gotcha. Well, Julian, he's working on a side track combining my flotation ball and wheel shape together with electronic stuff he knows that I don't know. The ideas he figures out might end up being useful to "real" gravity wheels. I like the guy.

Of course if it wasn't for gravity a wheel wouldn't be spinning at all <> it would be floating. hahaha A lot of the pains I had in my shoulder muscles has left today so I'll get with building my new model tomorrow. The one down in the bottom picture this page => APCO Windfall from Trickle Current , Project 7, this gif => http://www.newpath4.com/solarplasmas...eyjune2009.gif .

I'll make it first without all the fancy extras I told you about, see what it does. Personally I'm rather certain it will spin because of how close it got before as in the picture. If it doesn't spin, I'll start adding extras and changing some angles. I would like to, if I can, have one spinning by November 10 because that's the day I put Millenial Dawn online in 2005.

[CloudSeeder]

large plastic Xmas tree ornament type balls. They're super smooth on the outside.

If Julian (or anybody) does use the floatball "system" on the axle ends they should find something different than toilet bowl floats because they have lots of ripples on the outside. What is needed is some large plastic Xmas tree ornament type balls. They're super smooth on the outside. You would come right close to friction free then... especially after spraying on some Pam cooking spray. You could also add some kind of chemical to the water that would slicken the H2O & maybe even heating the water a little, but of course that would be CHEATING. hahaha

[CloudSeeder]

Styrofoam! Lightweight. Easily cut &amp; shaped. Stiff &amp; Strong Styrofoam! Got'cha!

Styrofoam! Lightweight. Easily cut & shaped. Stiff & Strong Styrofoam!

Whew. Got'cha! One-Piece Construction! oh Yeah.

Julian, it also comes in round balls.

The Doctor is IN.

[CloudSeeder]

And others using pendulums could use plastic mesh, the real stiff kind. Less inertia needing to be under constant Force => helps carry through the dead spots and/or rebound energy. Lightweight (near zero weight) makes the pendulum forces do more towards maintaining rotation speed. <> If in case using the light frame reduces momentum spin too far you can add counterweights out at the edge, at some in-between spots as needed.

[FrozenWaterLab]

Foam Balls?

OK foam is good but I plan on using freion cans as their easy to get for nothing. punch holes in end (Or drill) and I'm going to mount small berrings in the holes also.
My idea is to take the major portion of the weight off the pillow blokes and stabilize with mag bearings in rotation and back and forth motion of the shaft. Rotation with mag's on the shaft on both sides of the wheel and an outer ring mounted to the frame. Lateral shift could be stabalized with 3 ring mag's, 1 mounted on shaft and two to the frame like this,
Frame=N-S Shaft=S-N Frame=N-S
Tricky part will be alingment so their is no side pressure on any berring.

The bearings are their to position the shaft. Apparently their are problems with Permanent mag bearings not being stable for some reason.
So you need the bearings for fluctuation.
The overall friction should be reduced though.
I like the float idea because you adjust it by add or removing liquid.
Wonder how Mercury would work for liquid? Ball shaped container would need very little for a ball shaped float.

My wheel is very heavy. it is made from 1/2" plate 24" in diamiter and a 1" shaft. Balancing is very important. I beleave that the flotes will make this fairly easy. float it with all parts in the same position in relation to the shaft Then add weight to the upper side till it wont move (Turn) on its own.
FrznWtr

Styrofoam! Lightweight. Easily cut & shaped. Stiff & Strong Styrofoam!

Whew. Got'cha! One-Piece Construction! oh Yeah.

Julian, it also comes in round balls.

The Doctor is IN.

[CloudSeeder]

Yep, Frozen, great idea using the float liquid also to raise/lower. Super. I'm not a chemist but someone mentioned to me once about my car engine that uses also water, saying you can add some chemicals to change the surface tension of the water. You might could increase the buoyancy since your overall weight is heavy.

Unless you wanted to get really fancy and make a vacuum in the top of the enclosure. It sounds good what you're doing, and having fun drilling holes in cans too!

[CloudSeeder]

edit: "Raise/lower" as in lateral balancing, keeping system perpendicular.

[CloudSeeder]

Pendulum Builders a Tip:

Seems the styrofoam can't take much pressure from the sides, a tendency to snap in two. I was expecting that. I'll have to strengthen it up with metal paste. Altho I am kicking around the idea, now that I know the exact shape this thing needs to be... of molding it real quick with this Fast Set stuff. It sets solid in 3 minutes. I would hafta be very fast.

I might try it, make the two pieces, one on each side with it, and round it so it will slip down over the central threaded rod as before. Three pieces instead of one like I was wanting to do.

You pendulum builders need to place the pendulums closer to the axle. Closer to the axle + increase their weight to make up for the lost force from being closer in. Yep.

[CloudSeeder]

Dry Metal Sleeves, Threaded Rod for the Axle &lt;&gt; almost zero friction:

Smoother than John Travolta | Grease Lightning

This new frame spins really slick, like greased lightning w/out any grease.



I still have to add the arms & weights but here's the test movie:
I gave it a little push to see just how friction free it is:

http://www.newpath4.com/10242009Peli...FrameTest1.mov

I used sets of nuts with a lock washer in between to keep the sleeves disconnect from threaded rod. The large washers pulls the 5/8 dowel rod upright up completely perpendicular to the thread rod axle. And later on a generator gear can be easily added onto the axle end. At that point of adding resistance I would have to drill ther washers through the dowel rod and bolt solid. Don't need to do that right now.

[CloudSeeder]

1500% Force Magnification from Gravity Wheel Levers:

It takes extremely little effort to spin the arms but when you pinch the threaded rod~axle between your thumb & first finger to turn it it takes a lot more force, at least 15 times more, maybe more than that but I don't want to exaggerate.

What that means is there's a 1500% force magnification from the leverage.

This is going to be a cake walk.