GSEA (from naudin)

[CitizenDC]

Glad to hear you bulilt one

Hello Rave154,

Glad to hear you built one!

I've done 1 replication of the GSA a little while back and also used JLN's schematic.
I do not have a scope. I reasoned that if the output voltage exceeds the input voltage like what Seike/Naudin reported then it will justify me buying a scope to further investigate this device.

My results:
At 15v@2.5A input I got 20-21VDC output, however,
2 of my 3 voltage(one analog, one digital) meters reported the same while my RMS meter reported around 10-12VDC.
Which do I believe?

Another problem was that even though the GSA ouput is Fully-Bridge-Rectified and filtered by a capacitor I get AC readings on the digital and analog meters.
To me it looks as if the AC being generated in the transistorised coil cannot be properly rectified with standard 1n4007 diodes. I reasoned the AC in this circuit may be oscillating at the transistors (2n3055 npn) maximum of 2Million Hz which as I imagine regular diodes are not suited for.
I will at some stage look into fast switching diodes.
Perhaps someone can suggest a part number for a diode you think will work?

One last observation. The heatsinks I'm using are large (about 10x12cm).
Leaving the unit to run for 30 minutes causes much heat.
I understand that this specific GSA will use around 35-40watts, however I expected from what Seike wrote that it would run cold with negative energy moving through it.

I'm about to start with my second GSA. This time it will be based on Seike's NPN design using 3x2SC521A transistors.
I also noticed this design is not in the 8th Edition of The Principles of Ultra Relativity book.
Also there are numerous sections of the book that have been removed.
Chapter 14 - Solid State Battery (Revised) (Ceased)
Chapter 19/20 - Tachyon Oscillator (Revised) (Ceased)

The 7th Edition also contains 349 pages and the 8th Edition only contains 188 pages.

As seen here the next design I will build. I dont see this in the 1986 Edition of Seike's book, so I'm guessing its from the 7th Edition -->


cheers

[rave154]

CIT;
glad to know you built one,

im going to have another go at it, this time using PNP trans ( as stated in the book ) and not NPN. ive also managed to get some 12V 20 watt ulbs whic look identical to what Naudin used. this project kind of got put on the back burner as im currently messing with flyback & also Rodin Coils

Adios for now,

David. D

[lamare]

Quite an interesting circuit.

There appear to be certain similarities with Hans Cohler's "magnetstromapparat":

Hans Coler's "Magnetstromapparat" & "Stromzeuger" (British Intelligence Objectives SubCommittee Report #1043
The Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat Device

[CitizenDC]

CIT;
glad to know you built one,

im going to have another go at it, this time using PNP trans ( as stated in the book ) and not NPN. ive also managed to get some 12V 20 watt ulbs which look identical to what Naudin used. this project kind of got put on the back burner as im currently messing with flyback & also Rodin Coils

Adios for now,

David. D

Great. When you get time to build it, I'd be interested to hear about your findings.
Once I complete the next GSA I'll post my findings here, if you dont mind that is.

cheers,

[rave154]

CITIZEN, i lookk for wards too it :-)

as to the "gaining extra voltage than the supplied voltage" even though no inductors are used...the gain in voltage of Dc..reminded of a youtube video called "cold electricity" where a similar gain is shown, althoiugh in this case inductors are used... here is the vid....im not sure this is connected to the GSEA in any way......but worth a watch for 5 minutes...

YouTube - Gray Supply Concept Cold Electric Bulb

David. D

[CitizenDC]

CITIZEN, i lookk for wards too it :-)

as to the "gaining extra voltage than the supplied voltage" even though no inductors are used...the gain in voltage of Dc..reminded of a youtube video called "cold electricity" where a similar gain is shown, althoiugh in this case inductors are used... here is the vid....im not sure this is connected to the GSEA in any way......but worth a watch for 5 minutes...

YouTube - Gray Supply Concept Cold Electric Bulb

David. D

Cool. Thanks for the video link. That is an interesting effect. I'm not sure if its related either, but something similar happens when I short or put any load on one of the the GSEA's outputs.
One of the bulbs I'm using in my GSEA always goes super bright. The amperage also goes up though around 80%.

cheers!

[CitizenDC]

Hi Guys,

I finished the Seike replication. yay

The results are quite different when compared with my Naudin replication.
For starters, my transistors are running cool.
Secondly, when I place a load onto one of the output phases, my input load drops. With my Naudin replication, any output phase that I placed a load onto always increased input current draw.
When doing output voltage tests I get way higher votage outputs than reported by Seike. On one phase, the reported output voltage is 38-40v with 15.2v input power.

Question:
I need to check if the output is being reported correctly. There is a resistor test you guys do. Do you simply place a 1ohm resistor in series with the output power and then take measurements again? If the values match then the voltage is real?

I'll post more results as soon as I can.

cheers!

[rave154]

Citizen

Interesting stuff there DC !

As you may or not know, i have kind of got wrapped up in the "rodin" thing..though i will come back to the seike circuit ( kind of ran out of bread boards , even though i have 8 of the damn things ! lol )

could you post a schematic of your exact setup, so at least its there for posterity....or at least so its there for when i finally get back to re-duplicating it :-)

Keep tinkering man :-)

David. D

[CitizenDC]

Hi David,

could you post a schematic of your exact setup, so at least its there for posterity....or at least so its there for when i finally get back to re-duplicating it :-)

Will do.
I'll complete the parts list and schematic along with a few photos and have these up here in a couple of days (quite busy at work right now).

i have kind of got wrapped up in the "rodin" thing..though i will come back to the seike circuit

Cool, It'd be great to have more hands to help with all this.
Best of luck with the rodin experiments!

[CitizenDC]

Seike Replication.

Parts list:

3 x Toshiba 2SC521A Transistors.
3x 10ohm 10Watt cement resistors (I recommend 50)
3x 10kOhm 0.5 Watt - Linear Carbon Pots (adjusted to 7.5kohm)
3x 1k ohm 0.5 Watt - Linear Carbon Pots (adjusted to 500ohm)
3x 0.1uf 50v ceramic disk capacitor.
1x Copper wire outer ring 1.44 meters in length 3.2mm in diameter.
1x Copper wire inner ring approximately .18 meters 3.2mm in diameter.
3x small block connectors mainly used to allow easy capacitor changes.
1x large block connector to join outer ring ends.
3x wires of .95mm joining from 10W resistor to the 3 transistor collectors.
Bread board wire .58mm wire used to connect inner circle to outer pots.
Additionally .58mm wire used to connect outer circle to outer pots.



The following scope shots have been taken between phases. The input power driving the circuit is 17.1v and 2.6 amps.

Phase A-B


Phase B-C


Phase C-A



I did a simple hFE test on all 6 transistors before selecting three for this experiment. Transistor C has double the gain of transistor A and B.
I think it may be the cause of the differences in scope shots. I'll have to replace it with another and see.

Will post more info when I get the chance.

[citfta]

Very Impressive

Hi Cit, that is a wonderful build. I am very impressed to see such a good build. Most of what I see are circuits with jumper wires running all over the place so that you can't tell what is what (like mine) LOL. I do have a question for you though. How are you taking your measurements? Are you taking them from one collector to another or some other place. When I looked at the original circuit from Seike it appeared he was taking the three phases from each of the collectors. But when I looked at the Naudin site you gave a link to he was taking his measurements from the base and collector of the same transistor. I don't see how Naudin's way of measuring could be correct. I hope to get a chance to put that circuit (Seike's) together sometime in the next week or so. Keep us informed as to what you learn from yours. Again congratulations on a great build, citfta

[CitizenDC]

Hi Citfa

Hi Cit, that is a wonderful build. I am very impressed to see such a good build. Most of what I see are circuits with jumper wires running all over the place so that you can't tell what is what (like mine) LOL.

Thanks Citfa. I spent quite a bit of time on this project as I was aiming for a design that I can easily make changes and adjustments to.

I do have a question for you though. How are you taking your measurements? Are you taking them from one collector to another or some other place. When I looked at the original circuit from Seike it appeared he was taking the three phases from each of the collectors.

I've taken my measurements between phases. The power coming out of each phase is AC. You can then full wave rectify it with 4 diodes to get DC.

Here is a pic with a little more detail to show what I mean:

I hope to get a chance to put that circuit (Seike's) together sometime in the next week or so. Keep us informed as to what you learn from yours. Again congratulations on a great build, citfta

It will be great if you more folks can build these.
If you get stuck finding a supplier for the 2SC521A transistors, contact littlediode.com and they can source it for you.

and Seike's schematic I based my GSEA on.



cheers

[citfta]

Measuring phases

Hello again Cit. Thanks for the quick response to my question. In looking at the way you are measuring it appears you are measuring it the same way as Naudin did. I don't think that is going to give you an accurate picture of what is going on. If you look closely at how you are connected you will see that the yellow lead on the right is connected to the collector of transistor C. I believe this is correct according to the Seike schematic. But the black lead on the left is connected to the base of transistor C. I believe it should be connected to the collector of transistor A to give you an accurate picture of phase A-C. The capacitor you have it connected to is going to block the DC from the collector of transistor A. If you move it to the other side of the capacitor then you would be connected to the collector of transistor A. You also asked earlier if some one knew how to do the 1 ohm test for current. If you connect a 1 ohm resistor in series with a load you can measure the voltage across the resistor and the voltage you get will be same as the current going through the resistor. In other words if you measure a half volt from one end of the resistor to the other end when it is connected to the load then the current through the resistor will be one half an amp. I hope I have helped a little. citfta

[EgmQC]

@CitizenDC

Realy nice replication but your wave form doesnt look right and i think i found the problem, look at the picture on JL Naudin website, the 3 resistor are "non-inductive" , yours are inductive. if you place a capacitor in parallel with one of your resistor you can even find the resonant frequency , it will act like a LC tank, that distort the wave form and the result because of the inductive resistance who is like a coil.

what you need is a resistor like this one : http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/rhnh.pdf

its what JLN used in his replication.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

[rave154]

Beautiful build DC

as well as taking the advice about the resistors, also bare in mind that seikes own schematic used PNP transistors ( in the pdf as i recall i think )

But, great neat build