Magnetic Field Without Current

[Tishatang]

Hi All,

Go here: Maurice Hately, Fathi Kabbary, X-Field Antenna,US Patent 5,155,495

Scroll down page to US Patent # 5,155,495 by Hately.

I think this patent is important. It is about a new antenna design, but I think it should be looked at from the point of view of generating energy.

"The basic premise of this radical design is that a magnetic field can be produced without current flow in a wire. Hately and Kabbary claim that using the reversed (negative solution) form of Maxwell's fourth equation, they were able to prove that a magnetic field does exist between two capacitor plates to which a Radio Frequency voltage has been applied.

From this beginning Hately and Kabbary report they were able to produce direct synthesis of the electromagnetic field using two large capacitor plates and two large cylinders of short length. The capacitor plates, called "D plates" for the term "D" in the Poynting theorem, were positioned parallel to one another to form a capacitor. The cylinders, called "E plates" were positioned one above and one below the D plates. When the cylinders were driven by a radio frequency power source, they produced high-frequency E-fields, thus the designation "E plates".

Crossing effect

To synthesize the electromagnetic wave, radio frequency power is fed through a power divider / phasing network to the D and E plates. The resulting electric and magnetic fields are cross-stressed in phase to synthesize the Poynting vector and produce radiated power within the small area surrounding the antenna. This effect is what gives the Crossed-Field Antenna (CFA) its name. "

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This might explain how some Don Smith and the Kapanadze devices work? According to Don Smith moving magnetic fields do not create BEMF like moving conductors do. The number of stations listening does not affect the output of the transmitting station. Here is a way for creating moving magnetic fields with little or no input power required?

Go here where this antenna is homemade called an EH antenna:

Robert hart -- EH Antenna

If we take a natural source of AC energy, either from the atmosphere or from an earth battery. We feed the source into a tunable tank circuit just like a radio. This gives us a gain of voltage equal to the Q of the circuit. We feed one leg of the tank circuit to one plate of the EH system. The other is phase shifted and fed into the other plate of the EH system.

The two phase shifted signals are mixed in the EH assembly creating (synthesizing) a magnetic wave radiating outward. Nearby is an inductor. The rising and falling magnetic field induces power into the inductor which we collect. If Don Smith is right, the power collected will not reflect back to drain the source at the tank circuit? The higher the frequency the higher the power and the smaller the components.

Could this be the secret of Moray and others? By simply using an extra inductor somewhere to correct a phase shift would create a magnetic field by just using voltage and no or little current. Maybe also the secret also of the Testatika which has the high voltage front end?

These links and the basic idea was originally posted on OU Forum by user iflewmyown. His post and my response seemed to have fallen into a black hole.

I think it deserves some discussion.


Tishatang

[witsend]

Hi Tishatang, I'm answering your post because it deserves attention. Just as a question - do you see this as Don Wilson's 'trick'? I don't think he's using anything more than complex inductors applied to a switching cycle to get resonance. But probably wrong and either way it's very interesting.

Never knew about ground batteries until this reference and then asked my pals. Very interesting too. Have lots to learn here.

[Inquorate]

sounds very promising

Dr stiffler would like this, but I confess that understanding how to implement this effect is currently beyond me. I hope someone takes it up though

[Tishatang]

The thing to remember is that this patent is for a Transmitting Antenna, not as a free energy device. We are going to use it in a different way than the patent and the homemade ham radio antenna design calls for. Normally, classic physics says we must have current flow in a wire to produce a magnetic field. This patent proves mathematically and with actual devices built, than we can synthesize a magnetic wave with just voltage and no current in the wire.

If we take two condenser plates and apply AC voltage only, little or no current (high resistance). And then take two additional plates offset at 90 degrees and apply AC voltage at the same frequency, then the phase angle will produce (synthesize) a magnetic wave with little or no current.

Those of you who have experimented with the joule thief circuits should be able to prove proof of principle with a simple setup and not need to worry about the phase angle part of the circuit by maybe doing the following:

Build a 90 degree device using pipe or tin cans with two flat plates between them. Drive one pair with a joule thief circuit powered by a small battery. Drive the other pair with a similar joule thief battery powered circuit that you can slowly sweep the frequency with a 555 timer. Place a collector coil nearby. When the two frequencies match, you should get a reading on the collector coil. The two voltages, in 90 degree in phase will generate (synthesize) the magnetic wave which should induce voltage on the collector coil.

Theoretically, we can have coils all around the device and collect more and more energy without causing additional drain on the small driving batteries.

I am guessing that this principle has been hidden in many free energy designs. It has been proven to work in antenna design.

[Bodkins]

Hi Tishatang,great thread , Im working on the earth battery and i can up the voltage no problem,I think to any level, is this what you need?
no current or very little, but voltage lots if your need it,
so move from the point that in a week or so i will have a video of pure voltage
from the ground,
I also understand that 90degree phasing is the answer to a lot of natures secrets we need to work with her,
YouTube - Electric flow HV
I see the postive as female(outside of wire) and negative as male(inside of wire) everything has gender thats what we have been missing for a long time, this understanding is in EVERYTHING.
like aromaz said in his quote about (we need new experiment new ways of looking at the problem) or something like that. but its no the experiment we need to change just the way we look at it,

[Tishatang]

Yes, Bodkins, you got it. Here is a way to convert voltage potential into energy. Simply put, if you took two separate high voltage potentials with little or no current available, and slammed them together at 90 degrees, you would create an electromagnetic wave.

It might also work with static DC potential that is modulated with an AC signal?

Let us say you had a static DC of 1000v on the pair of tubes and on the pair of plates. It is not not costing much in terms of energy to keep the potential there, not really doing any work. Then you apply an AC signal of 100 volts on one pair and the signal delayed or phased shifted by 90 degrees on the other pair. Again, not a lot of work being done, just varying voltage potential. But the two voltage potentials will collide generating a magnetic wave of potential 900 to 1100 volts. You could intercept this wave with an inductor and do work.

Better yet, modulate the AC at 455 Khz and use standard 455 Khz IF stages from an old superhet radio receiver as your collectors. You will have ready made tunable resonant collectors to gather your energy.

All this is just off the top of my head for ideas. It has been over 50 years since I studied electronic theory. But I feel this principle should be explored.

[Bodkins]

It might also work with static DC potential that is modulated with an AC signal?
I aggree with you on this,
we are now at a postion that we understand what we are working with before have a device build, this is the only way to work for a colective mind delovopment,
1% inspiration 99%trail and error. I dont think so! keep in off the top of your head, we need to build it tesla style, have it working in the mind first.
as for phyical build im doing the battery of Male (-) no Female(+) or very little F.
Tishatang, I have not read all the link but i got it in one with the 90degree.

I work from visual, can you draw a setup?

[Bodkins]

i see 90 degree as the X and Y of a triangle with the Y being the harvestable energy

[Tishatang]

I don't know how to use a draw program. But, if you go back to first link listed here and scroll down patent to fig 6 using flat plates and fig 7 using cylinders, you can get a visual of basic device.

Maurice Hately, Fathi Kabbary, X-Field Antenna,US Patent 5,155,495

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Witsend and those of you who are interested in theory can go here download pdf under Theory/ Eh and Hz Antennas. And yes, Bodkin they have come up with another triangle design you already guessed. They call it the HZ antenna.

EH Antenna Systems

Lots of bold claims in the pdf, recommended reading.

[Tishatang]

Hi All

Here is a link to a .pdf on Don Smith:

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Smith.pdf

If you scroll down to about page 15, you will find drawings on his "Dipole Transformer Generator". It is exactly the same layout as what is described in the antenna patent I started this thread with. What Don Smith neglects to tell you (his secret) is that the fields of the plates have to be in phase at 90 degrees! the dipole is energized with a high voltage coil, missing is the phase angle circuitry shown in the antenna patent.

Don Smith has been discredited many times as a fake. Why would a fake document so much detail and have so many references at the end of this .pdf paper? I suggest you all download this and read the whole thing, especially his science arguments.

Tishatang

[sucahyo]

Would a HV transformer with two output but in a different phase can be used? And we use radiant oscillator to make the HV?

[Tishatang]

@sucahyo

Two outputs should be fine as long as they are 90 degree phase relative to each other. Many output transformers are center tapped, making them 180 degrees out of phase. In this case, one leg would have to be delayed an additional 90 degrees. This circuitry is shown in the antenna patent and the homemade antenna links. It seems to be based around a simple toroid transformer in the patent. Trimmer caps are used for fine tuning.

The frequency for 20 meter wavelength is approx 15 Megahertz and about 7.5 megahertz for 40 meters. Which uses 7 and 5 turns respectively. If the radiant oscillator freq is less than 7.5 Megahertz, you would have to add more turns. We are using educated guesses here, because we are exploring new territory.

Don Smith recommends freqs above 20 Kilohertz. The higher the better, because Ohm's law only works at freqs below 20 Khz. Evidently, some of his devices run at over 200 Megahertz!

[Inquorate]

90 degrees

Ok, I'm gonna go out on a limb and ask... What is 90 degrees phase relative?

[Tishatang]

"What is 90 degrees phase relative?"

Good question. I think what is confusing is that there are two 90 degree things going on. First, these is the physical separation of the plates 90 degrees from each other. Then we simply can't pulse them at the same time, but one must be delayed relative to the other by 90 degrees. By offsetting the phase 90 degrees, the voltage fields interact with each other and synthesize the magnetic wave a short distance away from the interaction.

This is all speculation on my part from reading the patent and the antenna article. Until some experiments can done with actual hardware, we are just guessing. The good news is that I have contacted iflewmyown from OU Forum. He is really busy for the next two weeks. Then he will start to do a build from this idea. Maybe in two or three weeks he will join this Forum and add his expertise? Even though I am not in a position to do a build, I thought it important to bring these ideas to the table.

[sucahyo]

Many output transformers are center tapped, making them 180 degrees out of phase. In this case, one leg would have to be delayed an additional 90 degrees.

How many ways we can make it 90 degree phase relative? Is there an easy way to do it which also independen from frequency change?

Since most of our PWM is in KHz range, would a half loop work?
edit: I am not clear, do we have too add turn or reduce it for lower frequency?

The EH antenna look like a good TV antenna. Do you happen to know how to make a TV antenna with this technology?