Marko Rodin

[Dave45]

Morpher
Have you tried the dipole experiment with your coil, and if you have can you get N out of one side and S out of the other.
Also was wondering if you had a signal generator and what effects the coil would have at Keely's frequency on water or ice, maybe an ice tube through the center of the coil, could be an ice dipole.
Great work by the way.
Dave

[blackchisel97]

Bedini and Rodin's coil

Hi,
Another observation; connecting Rodin's coil in series with charging battery I have noticed voltage rising faster. When I connected coil in such manner, voltage on charging battery went up 0.3V almost instantly. When I shortened, it dropped back. This battery never got charge more than 16.7V. With Rodin's coil reached 17V. Maybe it's just better matched impedance between Bedini and battery + Rodin?
I think that answer to the coil is in toroid shape (sort of "eight" figure) and wave form (sin) @ certain frequencies. As soon as my scope and wave gen. arrive I'll be able to do some more tests. My last coil took me only an hour to wind, getting better

Cheers
V

[morpher44]

monopole experiment

Morpher
Have you tried the dipole experiment with your coil, and if you have can you get N out of one side and S out of the other.
Also was wondering if you had a signal generator and what effects the coil would have at Keely's frequency on water or ice, maybe an ice tube through the center of the coil, could be an ice dipole.
Great work by the way.
Dave

Yes I quickly tried the monopole experiment .. for grins.
I did this sort of low current.

I don't trust that funky pole detector thing that Jammie uses ... and it is actually a pricey bit of equipment.
I tried using instead just a plain ole compass.
The compass detects both poles, although it is difficult to asses
how strong each pole is.
So there is probably a weak south and a strong north ... which
is still interesting ... but the compass will swing correctly
to either side as you would expect.

Perhaps with higher current to the coil the effect would be more pronounced.
I have 26 AWG wire ... and so I have to take care to not pump too much current. According to one wire table, 26 AWG can handle 2.2 Amps max.

re: ice dipole
Interesting idea. It certainly would cool it as you go for higher currents.

What I would like to come up with is some way of seeing the magnetic
field. I was thinking if there are some household materials that could
be put in a liquid that would respond to the field.
I know that kid cereals are pumped with IRON and people have
noticed that the cereal responds to magnetism.
It would be neat to see the vortex forming in a liquid substance.

[Dave45]

@ Morpher

I think babyoil with iron shavings might give a look or Ive heard an old tv screen will show the mag field, but only in 2D.
I made my own shavings if you have a grinder or dremel handy I placed a magnet in the spark spray pattern and collected shavings that way.

[morpher44]

iron shavings

@ Morpher

I think babyoil with iron shavings might give a look or Ive heard an old tv screen will show the mag field, but only in 2D.
I made my own shavings if you have a grinder or dremel handy I placed a magnet in the spark spray pattern and collected shavings that way.

Funny you should mention that. I was just looking at a chemistry set
in my closet and there is a bottle of iron shavings.
I put them in a jar and held them over the coil, to no effect.
I think my field is a bit too weak.
The viscosity of oil might be such that they won't move much
unless you have a much stronger field.
So I think I would need to improve my pulse generator to provide more
power to the coil ... and also I might need to go to a higher gauge wire.

[morpher44]

"Tuna Can" Rodin Dampened Oscillation Study

YouTube - "Tuna Can" Rodin Coil Dampaned Oscillation Study

[morpher44]

Rodin is a Magnetic Microphone

I'm realizing to study this properly, the Rodin coil should be far away
from test equipment that produces magnetic fields.
Its ok to receive fluctuation from the ambient environment,
but test equipment is not OK for a workable solution ...
unless what you are after is a sort of energy parasite.

I can see that my scope's power supply is likely spilling over to the coil, even at that distance of about 2 feet (60.9 cm).

Those who want to consider this sort of Rodin experiment should consider the magnetic fields in the vicinity.

I wonder if you can hook a Rodin up as a microphone and hear
the fields sloshing around?

[morpher44]

"Tuna Can" Rodin Coil Current Draw Experiment

YouTube - "Tuna Can" Rodin Coil Current Draw Experiment

[morpher44]

"Tuna Can" Rodin Coil Damped Oscillation Study (Part 2)

YouTube - "Tuna Can" Rodin Coil Damped Oscillation Study (Part 2)

[cody]

Well i guess ill add my findings and thoughts. Ive been playing with a rodin coil for a little bit. First off i have to say that the whole mono-pole thing that was brought up was basically understudyied and overstated. Ive seen no such evidence. A simple magnet or compass will tell you much more than the tool used in that experiment, it was the wrong tool. Secondly, as far as field strength, regular air coils outperform the rodin coil, the difference is substantial. Ive put a rodin coil head to head with an air coil of the exact same wire size, length and ohms. For any givin input, air coil wins as far as field strength hands down. Wiring it like rodin says with one wire + and the other - just makes a buzzing coil and you cant really detect the field so much, the air coil preformed the same way when wired like this. Its time to dismiss all the wild claims made by people who didnt know what was going on, including rodin himself. Next, the diaphramless speaker, once again can easily be done with an air coil and a magnet. All these silly claims were very easy for me to disprove, theres been too many people talking, not enough doing actual tests Now for the positive side of things. The thing that is very interesting about the rodin coil is that the field is centered. In standard toroidal coils, the field goes through the toroid, not the center hole. I can feel the field around the outer wires, but its weak, so it would make sense that in the center where all the wires come together it would have the highest field strength. It seems kind of odd that it stays polarized on each side, but the wires all go in one direction so it makes sense. Anyways, I just wanted to clear up some very basic misconseptions about this coil. Someone always gets mad at me when i have to be the voice of reason. I just tell it like it is, just like nature. Best of luck to everyone with further developments

cody

[morpher44]

Rodin Coil testing...

@cody

I have to agree with some of the things you have said... but let me
add to this a little:

re: monopole
I have to agree that the pole detector Jammie was using should not be trusted alone. In science you want to have as many ways to measure something as you can. So Nassim's suggestion to use a Gauss meter is a good one.
I tried a simple compass, and see two poles. It is very possible that the poles are not equal ... I can believe that ... and I believe there are ways of doing that. I was reading Leedskalnin's little "Magnetic Current" book and Ed talked about that too. I wouldn't dismiss Ed's simple statements because, he more than anyone, knew magnetism -- even if he couldn't express himself in the language we are accustomed too.
Perhaps different from you, though, I would encourage this so called "monopole" investigation and not attempt to debunk it, because it may lead to a better insight with respect to magnetism and its properties.

re: field strength
The Rodin coil creates a vortex field (or so it has been claimed).
So I think devising ways to visualize that -- and show it via video --
would be a way to inspire more research. Yes lots of coil geometries might be more efficient creating various fields or containing those fields. The vortex, however, is seen in nature and may be natures more efficient field shape. So what might make Rodin coils attractive is not that they can create a STRONG field, but that they can create a strong field using LESS power. So that would need to be examined.
By "air coil wins", I assume you mean a cylinder shape.
Cylinder shapes are notoriously BAD in terms of wasted fields.
That is why folks went to toroidal shapes for power transformers. They are more efficient and they contain the field. Rodin coils, I'm finding can do both. You can use it as a transformer, and the inductive coupling occurs pulling the field into itself. But then when used to emit a field (not as a transformer), the field bursts out. So as a coil it is multi-purpose. Very cool.
To confirm what I'm saying, put a load on the secondary, you will see the field strength around the coil diminish as it inductively couples inside. Remove the load, watch the field burst out like a vortex.

re: wild claims
I think Rodin, Jamie, etc. have been very honest about the limits
of their knowledge and hope to see that they do get funded by
a generous donor. They have a team of friends ready to start
this project in earnest. So I completely support that idea.
What I'm impressed by is that Rodin & co. have a very
"different" attitude here about sharing what they know with the
world -- which is what Energetic Forum is all about as well.
I think people intuitively feel that there are mysteries with the
Rodin coil. I'm one of them. Yes there might be some wild claims
as people jump to the wrong conclusions ... and then others get
to the bottom of what is going on ... and science advances.
What we are seeing here is the scientific process ... done via
the collective minds on the internet. It is cool to watch.
I am happy to participate as well, sharing the very little I know
about the subject. Others will come after and fill in the blanks.
What we need are some hard-core engineers and physicists to
chime in.
We know that the Germans were playing around with spinning fields
during WWII. We know that Nasa is very interested ... as are the
black projects who probably already have this technology.
Lets bring this technology out of the black and into the blue --
as it where.

re: speaker
Its cute. Its fun. Anyone can do it and everyone has MP3 players!!!
I have some real concerns about this though as a head phone
technology. I don't think it would be wise to strap on two
vortexual fields to your head!!!
Please kids, don't try this until more is known!!

Beyond the Rodin Coil, I think there is a wide open realm of possibilities for new geometries and new ways to wire coils, etc.
This is an interesting area of research.

[Vortex]

Cody, I would have to agree with your findings, due to lack of
additional data.
Cody said: "clear up some very basic misconseptions about this coil"
I wonder if your comments are only adding to the misconceptions.

Cody said:"wild claims made by people who didnt know what was going on, including rodin himself".
Rodin tells everyone flat out that he has no idea how to use the coil or
what it can do. Rodin tells of what experts have told him it can do.

There seems to be evidence against your findings, observations and conclusions.

Do other coils RING on a scope display as much and as hard as
morpher44 has shown us? If you know not of what I speak of, watch
morpher44's videos.


Morpher44 clouded the issue by using a metal core.
I understand his thoughts about doing so and his findings are intriguing.
The metal core might be why you lack observing some of the
characteristics you expect to find in a rodin coil. Namely acting like
a toroid coil in that the magnetic field is contained and outward
reaching beyond the coil. The coil is in a magnetic flax straight-jacket
unable to move freely.

Cody, Do you have images or a video of your coil?

If i remember correctly: the direction of flow is in opposite directions
between #1 and #2. The magnetic flux in #1 and in #2 swirl against
each other, one clockwise and the other anticlockwise,
causing vortexes in the void area #3.

If the flow is in the same path/direction in #1 and #2,
there would be little to no flux vortexing between #1 and #2 and
you would/should get totally different results and observations.

These flux vortexes converge from all directions into the center of the coil.
That would seem to be special and unique to me.

Cody said: "theres been too many people talking, not enough doing actual tests" .. I would have to agree with you Cody.

I do know that actual tests, if done wrongly can be worst
than no tests at all.
Remember that thing called Cold fusion.

If the coil is wound or tested incorrectly then observations
and conclusions made might be very truthful, but invalid for the rodin coil.

Shape of a coil changes the character of a coil:
Cone, flat spiral, toroid, etc ..
The shape of a coil gives it special and/or unique characteristics.

I would agree, without the vortex motion of the magnetic flux,
the rodin coil is nothing special.

Morpher44 good job and do not let Cody's comments sway you.

Randy

[cody]

Vortex
As far as the vortexing nature of coil 1 and 2 in opposite flows, i havnt gone to deep with that yet so i didnt really get into that. But if you notice, most people are not connecting it like that. They are hooking it up in a standard fashion, simply because it doesnt seem to be very usefull hooked up how its suppose to be. That becomes obvious after a few minuets of playing with it. And thats what i was addressing. So yes, i had it hooked up wrong for those results, but so did everyone else. My big issue was that people were just guessing at their results. I didnt say that anyone lied about anything, i was saying that they have big mouths The truth is that they were wrong about some things. I support studying this coil, but that usually involves some measurements and control variables, a new concept to some Morpher has done a great job, with interesting results, please dont assume im trying to stop him. I was happy to see that he is using a metal core, it adds to the data, we would never know if no one ever tries. No doubt there is lots more to learn about this coil, i just wanted to clear some basic things up.

peace,
cody

[morpher44]

Rodin Coil as Piston Engine?

YouTube - "Tuna Can" Rodin Coil as Piston Engine?

[morpher44]

response...

Do other coils RING on a scope display as much and as hard as
morpher44 has shown us? If you know not of what I speak of, watch
morpher44's videos.
...
Morpher44 clouded the issue by using a metal core.
I understand his thoughts about doing so and his findings are intriguing.
The metal core might be why you lack observing some of the
characteristics you expect to find in a rodin coil. Namely acting like
a toroid coil in that the magnetic field is contained and outward
reaching beyond the coil. The coil is in a magnetic flax straight-jacket
unable to move freely.
...
I do know that actual tests, if done wrongly can be worst
than no tests at all.
Remember that thing called Cold fusion.
...
Shape of a coil changes the character of a coil:
Cone, flat spiral, toroid, etc ..
The shape of a coil gives it special and/or unique characteristics.
.

Re: Long inductive ring...
I was hoping a ferromagnetic core would do that ... and
it appears that it does.

Take a look at this:
Hi-Temperature NMR Probe

The so called "gradient coil" in this NMR equipment
creates a .25T/m magnetic field by having two
coils, one spinning clock-wise, another spinning counter-clock-wise.
Would such a coil have ferromagnetic material in it?
I know very little about NMR equipment ... so I'm curious how
they do it.
I read that in NMR equipment they don't want
"the long-range dipole coupling between spins, which can give rise to intermolecular multiple-quantum coherences".
Yet perhaps such coherences can be useful in this
renewable energy area.

There is amazing patents and equipment out there ... and we
shouldn't re-invent the wheel each time ... but rather
should build on the shoulders of others.
In this power area, transformers are BIG with large inductances
and with ferromagnetic material, etc. The frequencies are LOW.
Inductance coupling is enhanced with such material.
This is a well known in the electronics field & physics.
So my intention was not to CLOUD the issue here ...
but rather to explore that space with the Rodin coil.
The choice of a cylinder form "tuna can" was one of expedience.

re: wrong tests
I'm not too worried about wrong tests. Most of my tests
go wrong actually. I will probably video lots of wrong things ...
wrong conclusions ... wrong assumptions... mistakes, etc.
During my engineering career, sometimes when a co-worker
does something wrong, that is the very thing that lights the
fuse under others to get to the bottom of the mystery and
save the day. I agree that "intentional" dis-info a despicable act
and so lets all keep each other honest here if we can.

re: coil shape.
The Rodin claim is that a toroid is the optimum. So we will need
other coils in the Rodin style that are NOT toroid, to compare and
contrast. This too is a way of exploring the space.
If we find a cylinder, like I have, wrapped in the Rodin way,
exhibits some BUT not all, of the Rodin toroid properties,
it will help us understand the advantages and disadvantages.
When the transformer was first discovered/inented by Faraday,
he didn't know what shape was ideal or what material to use, etc.
Beyond shape we have to explore...

* ac vs dc
* frequencies
* duty-cycle (if dc)
* phase
* wire gauges
* current
* field phenomenon
* health implications (vortex headphones -- bad idea)
* power efficiency
* bill of materials -- less wire?
* how to mass produce -- you need a very funky coil winder for Rodin
* gyroscopic properties when toroid is filled with ferrofluid
(hence the need to understand ferro with Rodin)
* use as a Nozzle (focused magnetic fields can guide lasers,
help with NMR analysis, and a host of other application)
* propulsion -- piston

and perhaps many other applications not yet considered.

Perhaps we should start a list going here and folks
who want to FOCUS on something on the list can contemplate
the sort of Rodin coil they want to build for the application target.