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[spiritualresults]

Hi All,

I am going to build a Rodin 360 coil as per Jamies,

so, jamie, can you confirm that the wiring diagram you used for your 360 coil in your video is the diagram at the top of the page at...

Buturff 360-123/2 Rodin Coil Winding Series | Energy Research

if it is, then i'll get winding pronto as i think there is a considerable difference between the "standard" Rodin coil ( which i have at the moment )....and the 360 one.

Thanks,

David. D

Hi David,

The winding pattern in the video is not the same winding pattern shown in the above link. The winding pattern in the video is actually a Rodin 360-138/2. This coil is not wrapped 120 times without coming back to the beginning. The 360-138 winding starts at pin 1 then goes 138 degrees to pin 7. Keep wrapping every 138 degrees until you get 30 wraps and end up back at the starting point. But instead of actually going back to the starting point you shift counter-clockwise 3 pins and then do another 30 wraps. Then shift one pin clockwise and another 30 wraps, shift one pin and another 30 wraps then you have a completed circuit A. Circuit B goes to the right of circuit A wire and repeat 30 wraps times 4.

It really helps if you use different colored wire to wrap the two different circuits of these 360 coils so you can see better what you are doing.

I've wrapped 3 of them so far. The last 360 coil I did took me 2 steady hours just to wrap the second circuit keeping everything tight and smooth. Have fun!

Jamie

[rave154]

Jamie & Morpher,

Thanks for the input guys, very helpful :-)

Jamie, by this "The 360-138 winding starts at pin 1 then goes 138 degrees to pin 7" ..

i assume you meant to say "starts at pin 1 then goes 138 degrees to pin 47" ?

[spiritualresults]

Rodin 360-156/2 Coil

Jamie & Morpher,

Thanks for the input guys, very helpful :-)

Jamie, by this "The 360-138 winding starts at pin 1 then goes 138 degrees to pin 7" ..

i assume you meant to say "starts at pin 1 then goes 138 degrees to pin 47" ?

I actually told you wrong. The degrees is 156 so, it's a Rodin 360-156/2 and from pin #1 you need to go to pin number 52 (which should be a #7 pin) on a 120 pin jig. Then everything else is correct as I just checked it all out in AutoCAD for you.

Jamie

[morpher44]

Jamie - weight of your Neodymium?

Jamie,

It occurs to me that if you were to give us the weight,
in grams, of your spherical neodymium magnet,
it should be possible to calculate how much
FORCE is needed to keep that sucker from falling?

--This inspired by the physics guy who calculated balloon boy
couldn't be in the balloon.

Knowing that force that is being overcome would be
interesting to compare with the amount of power (wattage)
you are supplying to the Rodin coil to make that happen.

First year Physics students should be able to help us with this.

[rave154]

Morpher,

i managed to find some spherical 1 inch diameter NEO's, should arrive tomorrow'ish...will weigh them for you of course.

p.s Jamie, winding this coil is an absolute "joy" ( can you just feel the sarcasm there ) *laughing*

David. D

[morpher44]

neodymium specs

Morpher,
i managed to find some spherical 1 inch diameter NEO's, should arrive tomorrow'ish...will weigh them for you of course.
p.s Jamie, winding this coil is an absolute "joy" ( can you just feel the sarcasm there ) *laughing*
David. D

Oh ... I see Jamie did put the weight of the 1" NEO ball... 64.4 grams.

w = ma

w = .0644 kg * 9.81 m/sec/sec = .631764 Newtons

So now I guess the next thing we would need from
Jamie is a very precise measurement of both current (RMS)
and voltage (RMS) while the ball is levitating.

He has 5VAC ... 1.5 amps on his youtube video page.
7.5Watts?

I'm a bit rusty on physics... I see 1 Newton/meter is 1 Joule.
Watts are = 1 Joule / 1 sec.

So holding the ball up for 1 second consumes 7.5 Joules
which is 7.5 Newton/meter.

Is that correct? Its been a while ... my physics are rusty.

PS> And to be fair, part of that energy is going to SPIN the NEO ball as well.
For that Jamie would need to measure the acceleration or velocity of the ball.

[Cloxxki]

Jamie managed to subject the neo to quite a bit more than 1g (OK, probably under 2g) in that test.
A setup where a bearing assembly (OK, bottle cap) supporting the spinning neo sphere is lowered gently might help in finding the absolute minimum power required to keep it aloft.
Or, a little tube glued to the top of the neo, easily weighted down even during a spin session, could allow to determin the maximum load the particular neo at a given (greater) power can handle. This would take advantage of greater spin, one might expect.

[spiritualresults]

So now I guess the next thing we would need from
Jamie is a very precise measurement of both current (RMS)
and voltage (RMS) while the ball is levitating.

I just did another test to see what the minimum voltage and amps would be. The ball kept spinning and floating at 2.5VAC with 1.44 amps. So, that's 3.6 watts. When I dial down the amplifier one more notch I get 2.72VAC with .64 amps and the ball drops out. That's 1.74 watts. I don't have any way of going in between those, so the minimum wattage to sustain the neo ball is somewhere between 3.6 and 1.74 watts at 20.6 Hz.

Jamie

[rave154]

Nice base line test there jamie

I picked up a 300 watt stero amp today, magnets should come tomorrow.the its playyyyyyyyyyyy time

David. D

[uusedman]

Made my first rodin coil last night and tried to use it in my bedini. It would not pulse. It seems that the magnetic field is being established in the coil. Any thoughts?

I would like to put this coil to work.

P.S. I did 33 points instead of 36 points for the 360 degrees

[morpher44]

ferro

Made my first rodin coil last night and tried to use it in my bedini. It would not pulse. It seems that the magnetic field is being established in the coil. Any thoughts?
I would like to put this coil to work.
P.S. I did 33 points instead of 36 points for the 360 degrees

Was this attempt w/o a magnetic .. using a spinning field only?
If yes ...
I believe you need ferromagnetic material.
The Rodin coils have very little turns ... and thus inductance
is not that large.
So either you need way more turns ...
or you need ferromagnetic material.
I was able to make the Bedini circuit work just fine W/O
any physical thing spinning (no interia being wasted here) ..
spinning ONLY a magnetic field ... in my "tuna can" Rodin coil.
In other words ... this is a solid state approach with
spinning interia-less fields.

Other people have succeeded spinning a magnet ...
in the Rodin with the Bedini circuit. Just search youtube
and you'll find some vids on that.

[Jbignes5]

An idea.

I know why Rodin doesn't have an answer for the sizes of the torrid. It isn't the typical torrid. Think of three circles stacked ontop of each other. all different sizes. The top hoop is the medium size. The middle is largest size and the bottom is smallest. Look at his anagram and you will see it.

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ignore the dots. They should be connected together in a triangle lattice for support and then wound in the correct way that Rodin suggests. If you take two squares and put one of the corners together like in his anagram it fits this description. Take the two squares and rotate them and you get the torrus shape but with specific angles. The inner wires will radiate and reflect off the lower part of the wires like in a beam antenna focusing the energy twords the top. If I can I will draw it up and provide a nice view of this but the diagram just above is made of three circles looking from the side. I think the problem is people have been thinking about the torrus and not remembering this is about the geometry and angles that the wires form. It also should be very exact about the lengths and thats where the anagram comes in. one thing the anagram shows is the lengths compared to the others. I think he was using wave lengths on scales like 1/4 wave and half wave compared to each other making a perfect reflector to bounce the energy and magnetic forces to compound with each other. In other words magnifying the effect much the same way a beam antenna does. You could even make the circles and supporting structure out of wood which would be better for toughness and strength.
I'm gonna make one up and see but maybe you guys should start looking at this. And like he says the shear needs to be present everywhere not just outside of the torrus and keep the angles correct like in the anagram. Remember this is all about field creation and manipulation. Focus it in the right area and walla the gates open.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...dinanagram.jpg

Here is what I think it should look like with comments. Also it wasn't my best work or even the right angles but it might be closer then circular bends. I think someone was talking about using 90 degree sharp bends to achieve good results in other experiments. Like the tuna can experiment the angles were more close to Rodins anagram and I think that is the key. Although there wasn't any room for forces to interact in the lobes. The tuna can was more like a bowtie then squares hinged together.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...coildesign.jpg

Rodin also talks about the name of god or this energy and how he pronounces it and it is a low frequency. It might be a clue as to how to setup the pulsing for this coil. But then again I could be barking up the wrong tree there. Only time will tell.

[Dave45]

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yep now this is getting interesting.

[Jbignes5]

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yep now this is getting interesting.

Yeah does this form look familiar?

I do believe Rodin was mapping the torrus but I think it was the field he was mapping. Not the structure of the coil. His anagram is the form of the coil or should be. The resulting field would be torrus shaped and the field would be just above the coil where the max vortex is in or the focal point...

If someone could do a field mapping knowing how the force radiates from a wire that would be awesome. Upon further looking at the second picture I drew I think the torrus is contained inside the rectangular lobes. But I still think they sqeeze the magnetic force up and twords the center focusing the magnetic pulse and causing one side of the medium to turn. the picture is still flat and there is an angle to each side so you will have to see the directional force from imagining the structure unless someone could make a 3d diagram for me.. I'm a tech not an artist.. lol

[Cloxxki]

I'm a tech not an artist.. lol

But you are not born yesterday. That is way clever. Best I've come across since reading up on Rodin math. Your idea seems to have immense merit, and is less far fetched to actually build than most other stuff.

How do you call it? Tri-ring Rodin coil?