Marko Rodin

[Jbignes5]

[QUOTE=wwdotme;71936][QUOTE=Jbignes5;71933] Hey could you make the lower circle closer to the middle section by a half a real inch? that might be closer to my design. What would help you is to take the anagram and look at the length of the straight lines compared to the others. What I know is the longest line is the sum of the other 2 shorter ones on the lower lobes. there are 3 lines that make this design up. Go from 1 to 2 2 to 4 and 4 to 8. Thats the set of wires. The sum of (1 to 2) + (2 to 4) = 4 to 8. No matter what the lengths they will always be correct if you follow that equasion.


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ok will work on that have to work this afternoon so will be later tonight
beore i get a chance to work on it.
I also noticed the distance from middle loop to bottom loop is twice teh dist. of the top to middle loop
am I correct thier?

The distance should auto correct itself including the circle size if you follow the math. Like I said no matter what the length of say the longest line say 6 inches should be the total of the other two. Start with the logest 6 inches and the others should be 2 and 4 I believe could also be 2.5 + 3.5 <- probably is that... Can you use measurements in your program or are you doing it free handed?

Oh and Thank you for all the help! It is something I never got into was the actual picture design process.

[rave154]

Jamie,

ive DONE IT !!!

wired up my amp, 1 inch neo in the middle of a "standard" rodin coil ( havent finished winding the 360 yet, plus have an idea for another type of coil too that hopefully will match the Rodin "torus map" more closely)...AC into each winding, 180 out of phase just like in your video....

see for yourself...

YouTube - neo lev 4

David. D

[Jbignes5]

ok some ideas for upgrades.

Ok here is a view of your model with the supporting structure and end plates. Also the wires are to be outside the loops or circles. That way the structure will be contained inside the wires.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...ildesignab.jpg

Thanks again

[wwdotme]

[QUOTE=Jbignes5;71937][QUOTE=wwdotme;71936]

Hey could you make the lower circle closer to the middle section by a half a real inch? that might be closer to my design. What would help you is to take the anagram and look at the length of the straight lines compared to the others. What I know is the longest line is the sum of the other 2 shorter ones on the lower lobes. there are 3 lines that make this design up. Go from 1 to 2 2 to 4 and 4 to 8. Thats the set of wires. The sum of (1 to 2) + (2 to 4) = 4 to 8. No matter what the lengths they will always be correct if you follow that equasion.


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The distance should auto correct itself including the circle size if you follow the math. Like I said no matter what the length of say the longest line say 6 inches should be the total of the other two. Start with the logest 6 inches and the others should be 2 and 4 I believe... Can you use measurements in your program or are you doing it free handed?

Oh and Thank you for all the help! It is something I never got into was the actual picture design process.

Yes, will have to scale up a lil bit, say 6=60. Other wise would be quite small.

[Jbignes5]

Nice!

Jamie,

ive DONE IT !!!

wired up my amp, 1 inch neo in the middle of a "standard" rodin coil ( havent finished winding the 360 yet, plus have an idea for another type of coil too that hopefully will match the Rodin "torus map" more closely)...AC into each winding, 180 out of phase just like in your video....

see for yourself...

YouTube - neo lev 4

David. D

Nice.. Rodin is right. he has the math behind him and this further proves it. Every sucessful replication is only gona prove it more. Even without the coil being correct as Rodin says it still shows alot more power then it should have.

[morpher44]

trash can with hula hoop

Ok here is a view of your model with the supporting structure and end plates. Also the wires are to be outside the loops or circles. That way the structure will be contained inside the wires.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...ildesignab.jpg
Thanks again

It looks like a trash can with a hula hoop.
Some thoughts:

* broad-band antenna?

* attempt to spin several neodyms in there? 3 perhaps or
ones of different weights and sizes... What if the heavy one
floats at lower level, lighter ... a bit higher .. and so forth

* re: neo-ball spin
I suspect that whatever height the ball spins at can be
controlled by power levels ... so as you boost power, the
ball can be driven up higher ... OR ... another idea
is to have oscillating power levels so that the ball
rises and falls, producing very interesting magnetic field vectors ..
the spinning vector ... and the up-down vector.

* the shape between wires is much more triangular this way.

[Jbignes5]

well...

I suspect he doesn't have the geometry correct on the inside wires. they should pitch in like in a rodin coil that is currently being made with the plastic torrus structure they are using now. the apperature should be where the middle circle is.

I am thinking it should look more like this internally:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...ildesignac.png

The red areas are where the wires should bunch up creating an apperature there.
Also the bottom circle is way to far down i think but it is a good first effort..

I also have an idea of having a plasma filled tube inside the lobes near the apperature in a torrus configuration. No neos needed. The energy should eminate from the apperatures axially if the unit is stood up like it is in these drawings. The reason for the plasma is that if everything has this invisible plasma in it, it would facilitate drawing the plasma from the surrounding area thru this gun to strike the top plate. The bottom one being the source collector. That would give it a potential difference if I could find a non magnetic material that would get a charge from plasma hitting it. <- this is all supposition on my part and it will take making this beast to see the results. This is also based on the premise that electricty is the result of this invisible plasma bunching up over a circuit reacting with the copper. Kinda like a wave guide. If electricity is made up of sub components like I am thinking this would prove that Tesla and others who talk about radiant energy acting like a fluid or gas were right. Magnetics is only one component this plasma would be the other.
Aramat did some rather interesting experiments with florescent tubes wraped with coils of wires and it let me to this. But in his version he used very high voltages and frequecies and that showed very small results compared to this I think will show. But I got to do some more research and experiments to further this idea..

[morpher44]

I suspect he doesn't have the geometry correct on the inside wires. they should pitch in like in a rodin coil that is currently being made with the plastic torrus structure they are using now. the apperature should be where the middle circle is.

I am thinking it should look more like this internally:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...ildesignac.png

The red areas are where the wires should bunch up creating an apperature there.
Also the bottom circle is way to far down i think but it is a good first effort..

@Jbignes5

Yes I think you are correct sir!

However, I just realized something also cool about this idea.
The very bottom loop can be *adjusted* ... *rotated**
which will move its level up and down (if the wires can take the stress
of that adjustment).

So this would be a way to have an adjustable aperture making
it possible to dial in different geometries -- within the limits
of this wire stress.

[rave154]

Jamie & others,

Hi, i have just replicated your Rodin-Speaker correctly too, lovely sharp tones.

Tried very quickly a pickup coil next to the spinning NEO, gave almost 1VDC across a cap & 120 Ohm resistor. ( again im drawn back to thinking about a 'special' design for the pickup coil is needed )

David. D

[wwdotme]

@Jbignes5

Yes I think you are correct sir!

However, I just realized something also cool about this idea.
The very bottom loop can be *adjusted* ... *rotated**
which will move its level up and down (if the wires can take the stress
of that adjustment).

So this would be a way to have an adjustable aperture making
it possible to dial in different geometries -- within the limits
of this wire stress.

rotating the bottom loop is the only way I was able to get the cross
hatch that you are looking for Jbignes. I had to rotate the point where
the wire would be on the bottom hoop a good 60 degrees to achieve
the shape you are looking for. not quite sure you could wind it like that
without something holding the wires in place. And then it would be
almost a straight shot back up to the middle hoop from thier.

It's getting late will try to get some shots posted before work tomarrow.
having to pull 10 an 12 hour days right now...
ww

[Jbignes5]

yeah I hear ya.

Long work days are a drag. I completely understand. Yeah the wire is a moebius loop type. I'm not sure if you have made a Rodin coil or not. If you havent then you need to atleast look at one to get the idea of how the winding goes.
On the subject of windings:



The winding order is a to b. b to c. c to d. d to e and finally e to f. Then f becomes a again and you continue around. I don't know if it is backwards that way Jamie might help in respect to that. If it is then reverse the letters but go in the same order. the ones that I built were left to right looking down on it. what you want is a star pattern looking down on it like the 3 circles on the lower right of this picture. Ok the a,b,c,d,e,f on the big part of the picture is correct but the one on the small circles looking down over it are not. But you get the gist of it right. just follow the bigger part of the picture and you will see that if layed out like this ^ then rotated left after winding it to form a star it completes and you should continue in either style of winding. The banding is a two stripe banding ||||||||||||||||||.........|||||||||||||||||| <- those are 2 sets of 9 with a space of 9. So the banding is one set of 9 then another set of 9 then a space of 9 then second rotation of bandings. I much rather think the field would be more uniform if it was a true bifiliar with two wires wound at the same time with a space in between the sets of wires.

Going up or down from a is another sticky point I have no clue about. My original winding was up so I kinda think I got confused in this diagram. There are also two schools of thought on the banding or dual wire methods as well. Maybe someone could chime in on what method works better but I think it needs to be figured out thru experimentation. the banding method is to take one wire and wrap it to form a star pattern then continue with the same wire to form a band of 9 18 or 27 wires in a group or band. Then start the other band going the opposite direction from the first. The dual wire or true bifilar wind uses two seperate wires wound at the same time one complete star then a space about the same size as one of the wires. ||.||.|| the dots are spaces. I am thinking that this should be the prefered method of winding this coil since it more closely matches Rodin's method. Hence why Rodin talks about the wire sizes changing as it wraps on the outside of the largest circle and is thinest on the inside of the coil near the apperature. That would make sense because you would want the spacing to be the same everywhere in the coil between the outside and inside to keep the shear distance uniform. But doing this is gonna be harder to say at the least. Maybe someone has some ideas about that? I have heard of people suggesting to flatten out the wire on the outside and keeping the wire round thru the inside but that would need a very complicated setup to accomplish involving a roller press that is adjustable on the fly and very accurate. Computer controlled would be the best accuracy I would think.
Arg think I got messed up again on the wire lengths. with this picture (f to a)+(a to b)=(b to c). Sorry if I got you confused but since I labeled the picture above I saw my mistake.

[wwdotme]

Hey JBig
I have wound 2 rodin coils. The thing is with this shape your not going
to get the same geometry from the wires when wound. We soon see if
I'm wrong. I have the 3 hoops made and will get the framing for the
hoops done tomarrow + some wraps of wire to see what I end up with.
Will find out soon if my grafix program is telling the truth.
Either way will be interesting to preform some test on this idea finished.

Will teh ball magnet levitate somewhere in the middle of the coil???
ww

[Jbignes5]

Hey JBig
I have wound 2 rodin coils. The thing is with this shape your not going
to get the same geometry from the wires when wound. We soon see if
I'm wrong. I have the 3 hoops made and will get the framing for the
hoops done tomarrow + some wraps of wire to see what I end up with.
Will find out soon if my grafix program is telling the truth.
Either way will be interesting to preform some test on this idea finished.

Will teh ball magnet levitate somewhere in the middle of the coil???
ww

Well sweet. I didn't expect you to actually make the protype yet but thats entirely ok. The geometry of the inside of the coil should turn out exactly like the donuts but of less of an angle. But the pitch should be about where I put it on the diagram you made.
The problem is that there is not suposed to be a magnet involved in this idea but it should be explored. I suspect if you have the ball inside a tube and lowered it into the center this would outperform any motor on the market.
My design is actually designed to do what Marko had intended all along, Power generation. If you put grids or end plates on each end they should capture any energy being funneled thru the interior apperature. Each plate would have a potential on it and between the two grids would form a potential difference. You would hook your wires to draw or utilize that potential. it is sorta what Marko calls... Now what did he call it an ion thruster??? Jamie is that correct? I'll have to pour over the videos again.
When you get done with the prototype please make videos or pictures so I can see what you are doing... And thank you again for helping me with this! You are going above and beyond in your help.

[morpher44]

Electrostatic Rodin?

I had an interesting thought.

Suppose you had a toroid made of material that is highly resistive to
electric flow and who's purpose is to TRAP charges on its outer surface.
The toroid has a very large surface area all the way around.
These charges have no bleed off path from the toroid surface.
This toroid, essentially, is the capacitor -- just as you would
find in a Tesla coil.
Unlike a conventional Tesla coil, however, you wrap the Rodin
coil AROUND the toroid.
The Rodin coil can have two circuits ... one that is essentially
your primary ... and the other the secondary.
Connect the primary (one with thicker gauge wire -- less turns --
less resistance) with a parallel connection to a ground and the
metal of the toroid.
Hence this combination is a tuned tank circuit that will
oscillate as charges flow from the capacitor, through
the Rodin coil, to ground, and then back the other way.

The toroid should be physically as LARGE as you can make
it to make the capacitance very large ... and charge density
large. Poisson's equation shows the relationship between
charge density and electrostatic potential.

The secondary of the Rodin coil can be the place to
tap the energy ... careful to balance what is being produced
in the oscillations with what is consumed in the load.

If the surface of this great toroid were up high, exposed
to the elements ... the wind and the reception of
RF, etc. would charge up the surface.

Also, it occurs to me that rather than using copper wire
for the primary, it might be possible to use some sort of
triboelectric material for the primary. On the surface of the
toroid, this material would oscillate and vibrate .. making
and breaking contact with its surface ... producing a charge
build up.
Amber and wood, when rubbed, produce charges.
Rubber, plastic, glass, pith...
Glass rubbed with silk is an excellent generator of electrostatic
charges.
So imagine a glass toroid wrapped with silk as primary and copper
as secondary.

Yet another Rodin idea to contemplate.

[spiritualresults]

Now what did he call it an ion thruster??? Jamie is that correct?

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