Marko Rodin

[rave154]

CLox, that makes sense indeed,

cant wait to see your winding powered up

[Jbignes5]

you are right

While the winds that result in magnet ball levitation are cool beyond anything, I doubt the same winding would be preferable for ultimate "thrust". The levitation of a magnet inside the coils now, seems to be more of an effect of 2 fields enclosing it, rather than one field being just strong enough to support it radially against gravity. That make any sence at all?

You are completely right Cloxxki. Thats why I have changed the angles back to what they originally were. Where the plastic donut came from is a mystery but it changes the magnetic focus to horizontal instead of axially based the way it should have been. but mine doesn't truely become axial only more axially. This can be worked with angled magnets then if one chooses to use this in a motor design. //// like that. Instead of --- which the donut type does. The magnets then can be /// this way on order to work axially around a central non magnetic shaft.
Kinda like this. Please ignore the dots.

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But like I said it will need to be constructed and played with in order to find the correct geomerty for the magnets and windings.

[Cloxxki]

My simple mind seems to also see some advantages (getting the most axial effect) from keeping the whole tri ring coil rather flat. The vortex might be shorter, but pack the same or more punch. Jamie's coreless "messy" coil achieving equal levitation to the nicely ordered toroid might be in support of that.

I am wanting to say that the flattened coil would see flux being conducted and thus concentrated inward, like a ball would when resting on 2 out-of-parellel wires. A radially inverted Jacob's ladder, if you will. I cannot back up my far field hunch with any more for now, so please take it for just that.

It seems that what Marko Rodin has been wanting to happen, people taking his concept and taking it to next levels while he secures funding to get some top rated brains on it full-time, is now really taking off. I see so many talented people on here and Youtube taking the coils, and working them from different approached, all with new interesting characteristics to be recorded. Like there is no such thing as failing making Rodin-like coil. Surely you're all just scraping the tip of the iceberg. Super exciting!

[Jbignes5]

My simple mind seems to also see some advantages (getting the most axial effect) from keeping the whole tri ring coil rather flat. The vortex might be shorter, but pack the same or more punch. Jamie's coreless "messy" coil achieving equal levitation to the nicely ordered toroid might be in support of that.

I am wanting to say that the flattened coil would see flux being conducted and thus concentrated inward, like a ball would when resting on 2 out-of-parellel wires. A radially inverted Jacob's ladder, if you will. I cannot back up my far field hunch with any more for now, so please take it for just that.

It seems that what Marko Rodin has been wanting to happen, people taking his concept and taking it to next levels while he secures funding to get some top rated brains on it full-time, is now really taking off. I see so many talented people on here and Youtube taking the coils, and working them from different approached, all with new interesting characteristics to be recorded. Like there is no such thing as failing making Rodin-like coil. Surely you're all just scraping the tip of the iceberg. Super exciting!

The levitation is nothing more the a magnet suspended in between two poles. then the magnet rotates up to down or down to up. Thats the problem with the smaller coils. the geometry isn't correct for anything useful beside a neat demonstration. If one was to make a coil or coils like mine one could easily stack many ontop of one another and double triple or even quad the results. Just by having more spinning mags on the shaft. Yes mine is alot more mass but I think it is gonna surpirse us at to the amount of magnetic interaction going on in the apperature. Then again maybe not we will have to see..

[Dogood]

lesson learned

Well, got my neospheres. Played with my rodin coil. Did get the sphere spinning nicely. Then melted my plastic donut..
Back to the drawing board as they say. I guess wood will be my next shape material.

My coil was wound using small gauge wire i got off an old transformer. A friend has a welding spool left over which i can use. Guessing this will be a great way to start building the new design you guys are talking about.

[morpher44]

Then melted my plastic donut..
Back to the drawing board as they say.

Oh my god that is funny!!!

I used 24 AWG .. or was it 26. Anyhow ... I found
immediately that I want to be able to pump more current
through.
So for you Rodiners out there ... I recommend a thick diameter
gauge ... 24 AWG or even larger.

Current and magnetic field are directly related ... and so if you
want to really get the field going, your gonna need some
thicker wire to handle the current.

Also, with thicker wire the plastic donut may not melt
since the wires won't be so hot.

This guy made toroids using aluminum flex duct:

Foam-core Toroid

With that sort of toroid, you can have a capacitor INSIDE
your Rodin .. and mess around with Lenz's law.

[Dogood]

winding direction

I just saw a youtube video of a lad calling himself 64298.
( YouTube - RODIN COIL CONSTRUCTION QUESTIONS )

He had an interesting question about the winding direction of wire A and B.
Seems I had wound my coil the wrong way (both directions same).

I did however get my sphere to spin easily. Would I get a stronger field winding the A and B like they should?
I really can't see why it really matters if you just feed current opposite to each other with 'normal' winding.
All I noticed was that I didn't get the awesome rpm's like in some video's but I thought this was due to low voltage I was using.

Could anyone explain?

[Jbignes5]

hmmm very interesting...

Take a look at this. What I did was draw the ennagram in a cad program including the circle with the 9 marks around it and a strange thing happened. not only did it autodimention itself but the angles are what I thought they were. Have a look.



I have this saved but I nerfed the ennagram trying to save this rofl... Well thats what i get for not practicing with the cad program I used. In the program I can scale the form upto whatever size I want and it will keep the dimentions accurate. So this should be the internal structure to the coil. so that we can have groves milled into the external part to the swirl pattern of the flower torrus. That way we can easily have it stay in the shape that it is suppossed to be. I will have to figure out the internal configuration to be able to have the inverse pattern to coincide with the external one. But for now the wires can be straight to test with. It is starting to look like I was correct. That he has created a internally focused beam antenna. The degrees would confirm that from this design. Very interesting indeed....

[Cloxxki]

Nice drawing!
I read some things on optimal energy angles, and it does seem to be in line with that.
Not a big surprise though, to end up with 60-degrees-per. The 3-6-9 triangle in the enneagram is a perfectly equal one, with 120deg each corner.
NAssim Haramein goes on and on in his lectures about triangles and 3D derivatives of it, fitting inside circles and resp. spheres, as being a geometry to persue.

One thing Marko Rodin might object to, or I would at least expect his side note on, is the lack of fluentvspiraling motion. "His" electrons want to spin endlessly, in noting but a spiraling fashion. While I'm sure he's right in this, the question could be posed at which scale we want such spins. Do we want the 3-wires-twisted-together as Jamie got positive results from (albeit using double the amound of wire), being mini-scale spin, or do we foremost require a smooth macro spin, being at the surface of the torus shape?
Most fascinating is how your tri-ring design (please name it yourself for us to follow on) allows to combine the Rodin math controlled spiraling with the so often sought after 60-degree intersection geometry.
If the straight sections of wire take too much away from the resistanceless flow, a much thicker, possibly even neutral core twisted set of wires might give this "back".

[Jbignes5]

Like this...

Sorry I should have made this as well... It might help you to see that this is from the side view. The top, middle and bottom are the circles.

[jonnydavro]

Hi. This is a truely fascinating thread and what Jamie and David have shown with the levitation/rotation is amazing.From Rave's replication it looks like the way the Rodin coil is driven is the key to replicating this as his coil was a "standard Rodin coil" if there is such a thing and not a 360 so it will be interesting to see how his 360 compares to this one and Jamie's especially relating to amp draw as it is quite high at the moment but this should come down as the technology develops.
Thanks to everyone who is working and sharing there idea's on this.Truely fascinating. Regards jonny.

[rave154]

A helpful applet

Thanks johnny,


here is an applet i just found that should come in handy for everybody ( I havent used it as yet, just getting to grips with it )

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/

Johnny you may well be right, its strange that even though Jamies coil and my coil are different in quite a number of ways they both showed the same levitation etc...and....more amazing....both at the same values./as in inputs...

both coils used 5VAC, about 2 amps, @ 20Hz.

btw Johnny , have you seen Jamies latest vid where he tales a "standard" rodin coil, cut out all of the plastic donut, then flattened the wire down with his hand to basically make a mess....and it still levitated/rotated the magnet..as i said earlier, this to me implies that it is the winding "order" of the wires that is important as opposed to strictly the "geometry".....but..only time will tell when these other guys building their "basket" rodins start to test them....its going to be Veryyyyyyy interesting.

David. D

[wwdotme]

Bigness name your design

Hey JBigness give your coild design a name

He just called it a basket....

[rave154]

lol dot, sorry big....

anyways...moving swiftly on ( )....

would the attatched circuit achive the following...

when pwm output goes high (12V)... mosfet-A turns on and coil-A is energised, while at the4 same time mosfet-B is not turned on and therefore coil-B is not connected to either coil-A or the 24V supply.... when pwm goes low (0V) mosfet-A turns off..and also mosfet-B turns on... then flyback voltage from coil -A via the diode is then forced into coil-B. in other words, its a way to put flyback voltage from one coil, into another coil but ONLY the flyback.the seconds coil ( B ) is never energised by the 24V supply.

Hope that makes sense,

David. D

[Jbignes5]

Hmmm....

Ok I will promise to come up with a name after we have tried it thru testing. It would prove pointless if this design is flawed and doesn't manifest anything worth while... lol
Call it what you will a "Reflecting Magna Thruster", "basket" Whatever. Names are really only given to proven disigns. As Rodin himself has done the basic Proven design and this will somewhat resemble it in field then I am satified with Rodin Coil for now. After all it is his ennagram I used to design it lol.
In any event if it proves out and does Well It will still be a Rodin Coil in official name and then maybe a model name like "Sandra Mark 1" or something. This official name is to honor the one who really figured out these ideas, Marko Rodin!