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[MythMath]

When talking about frequencies, we're always using the second as time base. Vibrations per second, right?
Is the second something random, or cosmic? And should we have used another time base (let's say a "breath's" time), would the math of the frequency numbers still exhibit itself in beautiful patterns?

Our 'seconds' are ultimately derived from the 4000 year old
Sumerian/Babylonian sexagesimal (base 60) numeric system...

Later the Greek astronomer Eratosthenes (who lived circa
276 to 194 B.C.) used a sexagesimal system to divide a
circle into 60 parts in order to devise an early geographic
system of latitude, with the horizontal lines running through
well-known places on the earth at the time.

A century later, Hipparchus normalized the lines of latitude,
making them parallel and obedient to the earth's geometry.
He also devised a system of longitude lines that encompassed
360 degrees and that ran north to south, from pole to pole.

In his treatise Almagest (circa A.D. 150), Claudius Ptolemy
explained and expanded on Hipparchus' work by subdividing
each of the 360 degrees of latitude and longitude into
smaller segments.

Each degree was divided into 60 parts, each of which was
again subdivided into 60 smaller parts. The first division,
partes minutae primae, or first minute, became known
simply as the "minute." The second segmentation, partes
minutae secundae, or "second minute," became known as
the second.

source: Scientific American

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Thus the division of time that we know as seconds is basically arbitrary;
mathematically elegant but not based on any natural or cosmic tempo...

Which really establishes the fact that the so-called 'Sacred Solfeggio'
frequencies are not ancient, for the very fact that audible tones were
not able to be measured in a relation of 'cycles per second' (aka Hertz),
because there were no instruments that could display seconds...

The 'Solfeggio Scale' as many people refer to it was essentially
channeled/uncovered/created around 1999 by Joseph Puleo...

The related number system that some of us now refer to as The Lo Shu Numbers
was quite probably tabulated, contemplated and applied by various ancient cultures
including the Chinese, Indian, Persian/Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Greek, etc.

But this set of numbers could never have been made into a scale or system of tones
that were identified by what we refer to today as frequencies (cycles per second)...

Ancient cultures organized their musical scales and/or harmonics in
terms of ratios and, with the possible exception of the Chinese, none
of these cultures had established what we would call a pitch standard...

[Cloxxki]

Thanks for that elaborate reply Mythmath!

Still, it makes you think...

If 485 and 458Hz for instance offer interesting harmonics...is that coincidence, or something else?
And how did we end up with music notes that come so close to convenient doubling systems? The doubling itself is clear, but starting in a whole number, coincidence, or human logic?

[MythMath]

Cloxxki,

I'm not sure if 485 and 458 do offer interesting harmonics...

Though you may have been citing those
specific freqs merely as arbitrary examples...

The 'reason' why our modern 'concert tuning' standard corresponds to the
'doubling circuit' is because of the pitch of A being (more or less arbitrarily)
set at 440hz, and so all other octave A's would naturally be factors of 2
(or 1/2) of that central reference frequency...
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In 1939, an international conference recommended that the A above
middle C be tuned to 440 Hz, now known as concert pitch. This standard
was taken up by the International Organization for Standardization in 1955
(and was reaffirmed by them in 1975) as ISO 16. The difference between
this and the diapason normal is due to confusion over which temperature
the French standard should be measured at. The initial standard was A =
439 Hz (info), but this was superseded by A = 440 Hz after complaints
that 439 Hz was difficult to reproduce in a laboratory owing to 439 being
a prime number.[8] {from: History of pitch standards in Western music}

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I'm concerned that we're veering off-topic with the past few posts,
so apologies for that, I'll start a new thread for further discussions
of how and why this unique, coherent set of 81 three-digits numbers
should be considered and studied as a viable fabric of audible frequencies...

The 81 Lo Shu Tones (energetic forums edition)

[superluminal]

starship schematics from glyph

this is fairly mind blowing.
note the rodin torus at the center of the system

see:
Starship Schematics in the Crop Circles | Energy Research

-alex

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[morpher44]

Wow!

this is fairly mind blowing.
note the rodin torus at the center of the system
see:
Starship Schematics in the Crop Circles | Energy Research
-alex

That is incredible. This is so like the books/movie "Contact" by
Carl Sagan.
We have to build this thing and see what happens.
Watch the video on the end here. Impressive.
It looks like a series of Rodin coils with spherical "capacitors?"
at the top and bottom of the structure.
His first 3-D thing looked like a Tesla coil with Rodin as primary
and a secondary inside.

It seems to me that what we are looking at is a radio or communication device. Hyper-dimensional radio?

[jtstatic]

I studied briefly the correlation between sound / color. Although these two by our senses usually happen at totally different frequencies there seems to be some sort of harmonic correlation after all.

Now for starters both can be measured in Hz and wavelength so I thought this could be good starting point. Before I started to think about this further I noticed someone had been kind enough to think of it first
So here's a quick study I found that someone else made, just to point out the rough numbers. Now these might be very approximate calculations (didn't have the time to check them yet), but you can see if you compare these "subharmonic color frequencies" that one color always repeats at the same note.

The sound of color

Frequencies of Musical Notes

Frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You could also introduce more colors mixing the previous ones, for example an important color like cyan seems to be missing from the aforementioned study (there are 2 basic color groups: rgb, cmy, that can be used to mix any color. Then there is black and white which are all colors or none, in an essence of black hole / white hole )

Now again just to clarify I don't know what could be the use of this information at this point.

Interesting are also the frequencies we cannot see or hear, for example ultrasound, infrared etc. This brings to mind a certain book that claimed the ancients used "ultrasonic vibratory systems" to shape stones, there was also a hint in another part of the book that again ultrasound vibrations or similar effect could be part of controlling an antigravitation system. Now the book itself could be considered a scifi fantasy story in common sense (although the writer actually claims that the events in the book did happen), so I'll just leave it at that that for now.. just consider this as food for thought if you will

PS. Just after writing this I found that Alex Petty had also noticed a correlation to note C frequency in the numeric pyramid model.

[jtstatic]

I was just searching information on how insects fly. It seems we have a great deal to learn from them. These particular sentences caught my eye from one of the descriptions:

In the past, insects were observed by scientists after being put into glass jars. Recently, insect flight data has been collected by watching insects fly while tethered (tied). Scientists are able to watch the wing movements and calculate (figure out) how much oxygen and body fuel are used up. The wings actually rotate in a "figure 8" which then acts like a propeller. The stream of air goes downward and backward pushing the insect forward. You could describe the wing movements as vibrations rather than "flapping" as a bird would do. Scientists found that many insects can keep beating their wings for many hours!

source: Aerodynamics of Animals - Insects - Advanced

Here's another link discussing vibrations included to flight mechanics of an insect:

RobotNext: Robotic Insect "Flies" Off Vibrations

edit: Another interesting link:

Video: Robotic flies rely on the vibes being good | 7 Aug 2009 | ComputerWeekly.com

...so maybe something is still missing ?

[blackchisel97]

Maybe this is off the main topic but than, maybe not - http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/

Have You Heard About B Flat? : NPR

YouTube - ECONOMY MAGNETIC MOTORS / Equilibrius Grid / Jon DePew


Vtech

[DavidE]

Whoa.

On Numeric Magnetism and the Fundamentals of Primality | Energy Research

[Dogood]

Wheee!

YouTube - Rodin Coil Baby Bear 12"

[jtstatic]

Regarding Jon Depew's work, he has an interesting site I have to say, a bit messy and mysterious but definitely worth looking through and has some fresh perspective to some of the information presented this far. He has also compared the relation of sound / color / frequency. There are some interesting videos as well, but explanations are somewhat lacking.. Ah well I guess it's a copyright secret or something

One thing that struck me particular from his site was the mention of numbers 3 4 5 in EMF triangle. For some reason one morning I woke with these numbers in my head after wondering meaning of numbers. Now these numbers were not what I was looking for previously. Also being still uneducated in a lot of things I have just recently learned the possible connections.

Now 3 4 5 can be a lot of things, some of the egyptian pyramids are built in 3-4-5 proportions for example. It is also the base of most basic geometrical shapes, tetra, square, penta. Total sum of numbers is 12. So most likely it is linked to geometry and proportions. Might be that it's not that important though, trying not to get too fixated.

Also you've maybe heard how each number represents the amount of angles it has:

http://www.orthohelp.com/numbers.gif

http://www.thiaoouba.com/images/digits.gif

Now I haven't found any useful application for this information yet though..

Another curiosity, here is the evolving of numbers, but this again doesn't seem to involve angles:

http://www.euphoria-magazine.com/ima...c_numerals.gif

The develepoment is not very consistent (difference in culture / time), but you can find similarities if you look harder..

So, a lot of threads but none of them seem to lead anywhere. It seems that Indian culture might be older than believed though, there have been some traces to 5000 BCE or even older, they are also the oldest civilization to use numbers that we have a record of.


BTW, here is the link to the book I mentioned earlier if anyone is interested.

http://www.energeticforum.com/psychi...html#post74857

The reason I mention this is because the magic number 9 gets mentioned in that book. A lot of other things as well like pyramids, antigravitation, ancient civilisations etc. I invite anyone to take a look who is interested.

[Dave45]

Well its been a while, havent heard any results did anyone build it.

If not Ive got the mat. I guess I'll have to build it.

I think I will just for the exp.

[Dogood]

Check this out

[Cloxxki]

Ahah, great find!
Rodin was 17 when he came up with his MOD9 theories. Around that date, I would guess? Not excluded that this was the first reference of his work.
Was in this book the doubling circuit as pictured also exclained in the sence of 1-2-4-8-(16=9+7)-(32=9+9+9+5), etc?

[from : http://www.contemporaryartworks.co.uk]


Keith Albarn was born in 1939 and studied art and architecture at Nottingham before moving to London to specialise in sculpture.

After working freelance to finance ‘environmental art’ projects such as “Interplay” at the ICA in London, Albarn formed Keith Albarn and Partners, an art laboratory and design consultancy.

Albarn worked on a wide variety of design commissions, ranging from glass fibre structures for a number of major events in the Sixties to designing the award-winning “Tumbli” toys and
learning aids.

The seventies saw a shift into exhibitions and books. Albarn formed the group Vertex to research, design and build such exhibitions as World of Islam at the ICA and Illusion in Art, Nature and Science (ICA and New York) . He published a number of books, including Language of Pattern (Thames and Hudson, 1974) and Diagram - the Instrument of Thought (Thames and Hudson, 1977).

In 1973, he became a course leader in Fine Art at the North East London Polytechnic and in 1981 he was appointed Head of the School of Art and Design at the Colchester Institute. His involvement with the academic art world continued through to the nineties, when he set up the first School of Design in Mauritius.

Albarn now lives in London and early ‘retirement’ has allowed him to pursue his interest in art and technology. He is developing his understanding of the rules of the cosmic game (Does God count?) by creating works of art from patterns and numbers in art and nature. Albarn is currently following the rules of this cosmic game in a series of computer generated art works on the “Edge of Chaos”, which gives an insight into the evolution of form and reconnects as a way of thinking with the age-old traditions of experimental philosophy.

[MythMath]

Wow, is there a pdf of that book available...?

I had no luck turning one up...

MM


ps - Here's K. Albarn site: www.albarnseries.com

btw, Keith Albarn is the father of Damon Albarn: